Current Events > Would a superman story where Lois dies but Injustice doesnt happen, be good?

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I have to imagine Superman needs the news

I remember superman almost calming down after crippling Batman then Alfred whooped his ass for it. Honestly injustice was a car wreck of out of character actions and reactions especially wonder woman who basically became lady Macbeth. It go so bad they had to end the story with a he man cross over

StealThisSheen posted...

I mean, plenty of people found it interesting enough that it got two games and several comics series

Plenty people who don't read Superman comics, or any comics at all and just wanted to play DC characters in a fighting game. Those who do read the comics however, found its story very much contrived and it can easily be seen as another Batwank story. It took the sequel for some people to realize just how bad it was getting.

Same goes for the Marvel VS Capcom games. Most of the Marvel VS playerbase has never picked up a single Marvel comic in their lives and wouldn't be able to tell you anything about their Marvel mains that didn't come from a movie or a cartoon they watched that one time.

Kaihedgie posted...

Plenty people who don't read Superman comics, or any comics at all and just wanted to play DC characters in a fighting game. Those who do read the comics however, found its story very much contrived and it can easily be seen as another Batwank story. It took the sequel for some people to realize just how bad it was getting.

Same goes for the Marvel VS Capcom games. Most of the Marvel VS playerbase has never picked up a single Marvel comic in their lives and wouldn't be able to tell you anything about their Marvel mains that didn't come from a movie or a cartoon they watched that one time.

So you're trying to gatekeep just to gatekeep, which is literally the worst thing one can do, if they like comics. Okay, then. Injustice was its own comic series, it didn't harm anything else. It existing is not a problem, period. There's literally nothing wrong with letting it exist and letting people enjoy it, and there's upside in that it may get them interested in other comics.

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Personally I feel he'd just punish himself, not humanity, as a result.

Relient_K posted...

What is Superman's lifespan expected to look like? Is he going to grossly outlive her anyway?

I dont remember which story but theres one where he is married to Wonder Woman in the way off future and hardly remembers Lois.

When whoever is talking to him mentions it he points out that for him, its Wonder Woman thats got the long life.

Injustice characters are also much different. Wasnt Wonder Woman always bordering on the edge instead of being a true blue hero?

Funkydog posted...

Personally I feel he'd just punish himself, not humanity, as a result.

This is what he did in "Whatever Happened to the Man of Tomorrow?" though he didn't kill Lois in that one.

StealThisSheen posted...

Oh, I don't disagree. I think a good Superman vs. an evil Batman also could be extremely interesting. I do get why they default to Batman being the "hero," though, since he's more relatable than Superman. Yes, billionaire playboy isn't TRULY relatable, but "guy with no powers" vs. "guy with literally all the powers" is.

I just meant that there are two kinds of realistic Batman. DCAU kind of having that. Batman The Amimated Series version of the character, really felt like a non-powered human who had to push himself to succeed.

JLU Batman officially is realistic, but is able to dodge Darkseid's Omega which the Lord of Apokolips deemed impossible.

If a Batman going bad story is similar to the BTAS era, sure Superman and a GL could likely detain him before any harm is done.

If he is given the JLU approach then I'd say just own it and give realism the middle finger wholesale.

@StealThisSheen Yea, dude is just gatekeeping. Ignore and move on

FolkenRawr posted...

Yea, dude is just gatekeeping. Ignore and move on

I was just clarifying my previous post. And I'll even concede to enjoy both flavors of Batman.

Kaihedgie posted...

Plenty people who don't read Superman comics, or any comics at all and just wanted to play DC characters in a fighting game. Those who do read the comics however, found its story very much contrived and it can easily be seen as another Batwank story. It took the sequel for some people to realize just how bad it was getting.

Same goes for the Marvel VS Capcom games. Most of the Marvel VS playerbase has never picked up a single Marvel comic in their lives and wouldn't be able to tell you anything about their Marvel mains that didn't come from a movie or a cartoon they watched that one time.

I, too, hate when people become interested in things that I like.

Kaihedgie posted...

Kingdom Come, Emperor Joker and Ending Battle have all done this, all showing why and how Injustice would never happen and they were all written years before that game came out. For bonus points, The Sound of One Hand Clapping shows that Joker would never even get the opportunity to pull off this plan. Super hearing and super speed. Then Supes proceeds to deconstruct and dismantle his entire schtick just as a big middle finger to him

Injustice Superman is canonically weaker than Earth 1 Superman.

StealThisSheen posted...

So you're trying to gatekeep just to gatekeep, which is literally the worst thing one can do, if they like comics. Okay, then. Injustice was its own comic series, it didn't harm anything else. It existing is not a problem, period. There's literally nothing wrong with letting it exist and letting people enjoy it, and there's upside in that it may get them interested in other comics.

What part of my comment is gatekeeping?

The Injustice comics are the tie-in to the games

The issue is that because of Injustice's popularity, it's also been a lot of people's first exposure to Superman in a story and think that this is what he's actually like when it's not. This very topic is from someone, who - like many others I've seen - operating under the assumption that Lois is the only thing keeping Clark from taking over humanity and becoming a tyrant.

FolkenRawr posted...

@StealThisSheen Yea, dude is just gatekeeping. Ignore and move on

Not that you'll actually say how I'm gatekeeping, just assert that I am

xGhostchantx posted... I, too, hate when people become interested in things that I like.

No, I just hate when people get something wrong about a thing and then double down after being criticized about it.

Antiyonder posted...

I was just clarifying my previous post. And I'll even concede to enjoy both flavors of Batman.

Don't worry, they weren't referring to you. We're talking about Kaihedgie, who seems upset by Injustice simply existing.

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I feel like this ignores a lot of context, such as Superman working with literal villains, as long as they agree with him.

EDIT: For example, instead of actually defeating Doomsday, Superman basically captures him, planning to use him for his own means, later.

StealThisSheen posted...

I feel like this ignores a lot of context, such as Superman working with literal villains, as long as they agree with him.

EDIT: For example, instead of actually defeating Doomsday, Superman basically captures him, planning to use him for his own means, later.

The story and actions of Superman and Batman make alot more sense when you stop thinking of them as heroes anymore. Or even the conflict as simple as good guys vs bad guys tbh.

Since there are none anymore. That includes Batman whose actions did more to push sipes over the edge then anything.

It really was just a war between two fractions frighting for what they believe in with everyone else caught in between and suffering.

I feel like the literal fact that we can have an actual debate over Injustice Superman's motivations is a logical means for the Injustice universe existing, in the first place.

For the record, I don't actually like, vehemently disagree with you, Brykner, for example. If anything, I was trying to illustrate that such a debate can exist, over Injustice.

The only person I actually disagreed with was Kaihedgie, who seems upset that Injustice even exists.

My entire point is it's more interesting than not that multiple interpretations of a character can exist, and I feel like this topic illustrates that very well.