Current Events > The entire world of PC gaming rigs is a big scam, right?

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Cope as you must, gaming PCs are expensive. Consoles are the economic option.

VirtuousWrath posted...

Even with a yearly subscription, consoles are cheaper for a long time. A real gaming PC is like 1500 minimum, with 2k being where they're actually good.

A PC last longer than a console. A 1080TI is still good to play modern intense game. That graphic card came out on March 10th, 2017.

Unlike a console a PC doesn't need every part changed, only the parts that are outdated.

When someone pay $160 for 10 years that is $1600. If they have it for 15 years that is $2400 in subscription.

I have been playing on console since the SNES gen. I have seen how console changed over the years how it improved and got worse.

As for PC I got into it in the PS4 gen, that is when I got my gaming PC.

VirtuousWrath posted...

Cope as you must, gaming PCs are expensive. Consoles are the economic option.

Economic does not equal better like you initially said. Youre the one who needs to cope.

VirtuousWrath posted...

Even with a yearly subscription, consoles are cheaper for a long time. A real gaming PC is like 1500 minimum, with 2k being where they're actually good.

The average I've seen prebuilt gaming PCs to keep most folks happy is at most $1,200 on average, and sometimes even lower.
Also you missed the part where myself and others said that said gaming PC are a long-term investment (meaning can go through at least a couple or more gaming generations without having to upgrade, and if one does upgrade a part, can extend it even further).

https://youtu.be/4sAQY_ls_HQ?feature=shared

Also one last proof. This guy has a 3080ti + 9900k

I have to share this cuz this is an easy to find vid and could be used to disprove me if only looking at like the first min of the vid or so

Ok yeah at first it looks stellar but notice in some parts like around 12:35 mark that the fps drops to the 40s. Pretty much my experience as well..

That is worse performance than the guy with a 13700k + 2080ti video where at most it'd drop to like 58 fps for a split second (if he had lowered his settings to ps5 equivalent excluding textures and rtx it'd be consistent 60 fps I reckon).

Anyway yeah the 9900k is def on its deathbed with current AAA games. Like im gonna have to play dragon's dogma 2 at 30 fps if rumors are true about it being cpu demanding. Its requirements is a ryzen 3600 for 30 fps like damn dude that's crazy af

VirtuousWrath posted...

Cope as you must, gaming PCs are expensive. Consoles are the economic option.

They really arent, sorry

muh pc elitism

Ratchetrockon posted...

https://youtu.be/4sAQY_ls_HQ?feature=shared

Also one last proof. This guy has a 3080ti + 9900k

I have to share this cuz this is an easy to find vid and could be used to disprove me if only looking at like the first min of the vid or so

Ok yeah at first it looks stellar but notice in some parts like around 12:35 mark that the fps drops to the 40s. Pretty much my experience as well..

That is worse performance than the guy with a 13700k + 2080ti video where at most it'd drop to like 58 fps for a split second (if he had lowered his settings to ps5 equivalent excluding textures and rtx it'd be consistent 60 fps I reckon).

Anyway yeah the 9900k is def on its deathbed with current AAA games. Like im gonna have to play dragon's dogma 2 at 30 fps if rumors are true about it being cpu demanding. Its requirements is a ryzen 3600 for 30 fps like damn dude that's crazy af

lmao damn good to know re: DD2

i have a ryzen 5 3600 with a radeon RX580 but im replacing the 580 soon with an nvidia RTX 3080 hopefully.

I've been playing on a handheld PC for about a year now. It's nearly the most powerful gaming device in the house; my gf's laptop is like maybe 1% more powerful solely due to the better cooling possible in that form factor (basically the same CPU and RAM).

Ryzen 6800U, using the integrated graphics. If you're not familiar with that - the integrated graphics on that CPU are very good. Like, on par with slightly older low end desktop GPUs (1060 or 1650 are common comparisons).

And it does the job just fine. No, I can't turn all the settings up to ultra high max resolution, but I don't feel that I'm missing anything by not being able to do that. I can still enjoy the game just as much at 720p (upscaled to 1080p via FSR) high rather than 4K ultra-high. So far I've been capping the power usage to half its maximum in order to extend battery life, and it *still* has played everything fine so far - many games I was able to cap it at 1/3rd even.

The one thing it can't manage is intensive VR titles, but even then, it comes close (and let me stress again, this is a handheld PC using integrated graphics), so I doubt you need an ultra high end PC for those - just a decent dedicated GPU.

In fairness the only recentish AAA title I've thrown at it is Hitman, but yes, that ran perfectly fine (720p with FSR to 1080p) in non-VR mode. Struggled a fair bit in VR. I'm intending to grab the PC port of Forbidden West when that comes out so that'll be its first really hard test.

And for those wondering why I'd have a VR headset with such a PC - it works perfectly fine for virtual monitors when I want to do desktop-y stuff. VR gaming is just a bonus.

VirtuousWrath posted...

muh pc elitism

Console has been getting worse, company has been getting more greedy. Nowadays many things are locked behind subscription, things that used to be for free or 1 time purchase. Things that used to exist no longer exist nowadays such as cheating device and external storage device.

Steam Deck is a portable PC. Incase there are any doubt here is my source:
https://store.steampowered.com/steamdeck

Steam Deck Features
All Steam Decks (both LCD and OLED) are powerful, portable, PC gaming devices made for comfort and a console-like experience.

VirtuousWrath posted...

muh pc elitism

No. You have been presented with facts and logical arguments, all of which youve had waived away with no evidence whatsoever. Youre the one going Nuh uh! and fanboying without a leg to stand on.

supermichael11 posted...

Imagine playing Monster Hunter World hardest level without co-op due to no online, that is impossible. Luckily PC it is free.

Hardest level? What you mean like the stuff meant for a party like the original high rank kulve taroth, extreme behemoth, that witcher 3 cross-over thing and safi-jiva?

Other than those, everything else in this game can be solo'd depending on your skill level.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/3/38d2cb45.jpg

found this post on reddit. Seems to explain why my system (2080ti + 9900k) performs worse than ps5 in ratchet rift apart.

Also seems to explain why even w/ a more powerful CPU (like 13th gen intel) 2080ti at best is compareable performance to Ps5's performance mode for Ratchet and Clank (iirc ps5 runs it at 1290p-1440p @ solid 60 fps). The 13700k + 2080ti video i shared a few days ago was at 4k + dlss performance = 1080p render and the system was at most hitting like upper 70s fps. They did have a few presets higher than ps5 but I highly doubt there'd be a massive boost if setting them lower and ofc it is still running at a lower resolution.

But at least dlss looks better than ps5's upscaling method. The sharper image on the PC version of ratchet and clank w/ 4k + dlss performance mode was very apparent to me when I compared it to the ps5 version.

I did end up refunding my pc copy of ratchet and clank tho cuz I was getting drops to 40s fps . As I stated in earlier posts I had it set to be around ps5's level of visuals based on what Digital Foundry recommended. I did leave textures on medium (ps5 has it at very high) and also turned rt reflections off .

initial estimations for ps5 in the year 2020 = Like a pc w/ RTX 2070(s) + ryzen 3600. But it seems to not be the case w/ current games at all. Going above that estimate for sure

What y'all thoughts??

I still prefer pc gaming cuz of the thousands of games it has that are unavailable on consoles. So this negative experience with ratchet rift apart doesn't ruin my enjoyment of pc gaming in general. I don't even own the ps5 that I used to compare the games lol.

Yeah man you've been ruled, ahead of the game is the same as good life hat

Because PC Master Race loves to show PC builds that are both cheaper and more powerful than 5 years old consoles.
...if you skip the keyboard, mouse and power supply...

Foppe posted...

Because PC Master Race loves to show PC builds that are both cheaper and more powerful than 5 years old consoles.
...if you skip the keyboard, mouse and power supply...

Why would you skip the power supply? Those aren't even expensive components.

UnholyMudcrab posted...

Why would you skip the power supply? Those aren't even expensive components.

It is enough to get the price low enough.

It sort of is like a scam when it comes to future proofing and if you want to max out the latest games. Mainly because better parts come out yearly. If you future proof and dont care about maxing out your games then a good build will last you 8-10 years before its time to upgrade again. The people complaining dont realize their 2080 cards are better than the current console gen cards.

Ratchetrockon posted...

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/3/38d2cb45.jpg

Whoever made his has absolutely no clue what they are talking about. PS3/360 were some of the shittiest, poorly performing consoles ever released that were handily beat by budget PCs

Ratchetrockon posted...

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Also one last proof. This guy has a 3080ti + 9900k

I have to share this cuz this is an easy to find vid and could be used to disprove me if only looking at like the first min of the vid or so

Ok yeah at first it looks stellar but notice in some parts like around 12:35 mark that the fps drops to the 40s. Pretty much my experience as well..

That is worse performance than the guy with a 13700k + 2080ti video where at most it'd drop to like 58 fps for a split second (if he had lowered his settings to ps5 equivalent excluding textures and rtx it'd be consistent 60 fps I reckon).

Anyway yeah the 9900k is def on its deathbed with current AAA games. Like im gonna have to play dragon's dogma 2 at 30 fps if rumors are true about it being cpu demanding. Its requirements is a ryzen 3600 for 30 fps like damn dude that's crazy af

That's because Console hardware architecture,operating system, apis are competely different from PC. They have intergrated graphics/cpu, shared memory, lower wattage,etc. In addition Developers of Sony games are not nessaraily the same developers for PC ports. Some ports perform better then others. Console develpoers have to make the game run on PS5. Whereas on PC develpoers can target high-end hardware. It's not alway Apples to Apples.

That said Steam Deck, has already proven you don't need high end specs to have a good experence with PC. Ryzen APUs on PC are not as good as Consoles, but they are still very solid.

MarthGoomba posted...

Whoever made his has absolutely no clue what they are talking about. PS3/360 were some of the shittiest, poorly performing consoles ever released that were handily beat by budget PCs

well he said they were high-end upon release. it seems like many people at the time thought that too after a brief look at older threads on diff sites.

the ps3 seems to have been dethroned by pcs just months later tho. the poster did say by 2013 (ps4 release date) that they were antiquated tech so he knows that they sucked by that point too

superbot400 posted...

That's because Console hardware architecture,operating system, apis are competely different from PC. They have intergrated graphics/cpu, shared memory, lower wattage,etc. In addition Developers of Sony games are not nessaraily the same developers for PC ports. Some ports perform better then others. Console develpoers have to make the game run on PS5. Whereas on PC develpoers can target high-end hardware. It's not alway Apples to Apples.

That said Steam Deck, has already proven you don't need high end specs to have a good experence with PC. Ryzen APUs on PC are not as good as Consoles, but they are still very solid.

oh yeah there are still games that ive tried out recently that ran better on my pc than the ps5. hogwarts legacy and elden ring are two that i can think of. tho it is not like a night n day difference

i do not need higher-end specs atm since i mainly play older titles (like my sig). AAA games dont appeal to me much unless i get super FOMO like w/ elden ring and hogwarts legacy. Prob gonna play the elden ring dlc when it relases. atm my pc can still run elden ring at native 4k 60 fps w/ adjustments to certain presets (obv rtx turned off). hoping that stays the case w/ the dlc.

MarthGoomba posted...

Whoever made his has absolutely no clue what they are talking about. PS3/360 were some of the shittiest, poorly performing consoles ever released that were handily beat by budget PCs

oh wait when ps3 released SLI systems would have been the top-end right? no way ps3 is competitive with those. maybe only competitive against the best single gpu systems (for couple months).

maybe the poster forgot about SLI being a thing back then. google says sli came out in 2004 so it would have been a newish thing at the time. well i guess 2 years isn't that new for tech

gotta swap PSUs tomorrow ughhhhhhhhh