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TodorokiHayato 02/15/24 3:54:56 PM #1:	It's like going to an ethnic wedding you haven't been invited to, and throwing temper tantrums because the wedding dinner didn't have real food; your favorite American hamburger. Somehow that behavior justifies throwing a massive prima donna fit, by proceeding to ruin the wedding shouting obscenities and drunkenly stumbling everywhere in rage, breaking everything in sight. Why should the wedding have to accomodate you? YOU WEREN'T INVITED. But noooo, it doesn't end there. Now it's in the papers that the ethnic wedding party wasn't all inclusive and as a result, random people are upset, further justifying your rage as appropriate. The innocent couple on the other hand, now have to deal with a lifetime of trauma, all because some drunk asshole decided to crash their party. That sounds like the premise America was built on. --- Nobody knows you're a dog on the internet ruff. <cite>TodorokiHayato posted [p:978862134] in The more I... [t:80697566]...</cite> <quote>It's like going to an ethnic wedding you haven't been invited to, and throwing temper tantrums because the wedding dinner didn't have real food; your favorite American hamburger. Somehow that behavior justifies throwing a massive prima donna fit, by proceeding to ruin the wedding shouting obscenities and drunkenly stumbling everywhere in rage, breaking everything in sight. Why should the wedding have to accomodate you? YOU WEREN'T INVITED. But noooo, it doesn't end there. Now it's in the papers that the ethnic wedding party wasn't all inclusive and as a result, random people are upset, further justifying your rage as appropriate. The innocent couple on the other hand, now have to deal with a lifetime of trauma, all because some drunk asshole decided to crash their party. That sounds like the premise America was built on. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
McMarbles 02/15/24 3:57:32 PM #2:	Thats an oddly specific description. --- Currently playing: Final Fantasy VI Pixel Remaster (Switch) Never befriend a man in sandals and always measure twice, cut once. <cite>McMarbles posted [p:978862180] in The more I... [t:80697566]...</cite> <quote>Thats an oddly specific description. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Solar_Crimson 02/15/24 3:59:04 PM #3:	The colonizers absolutely were genocidal maniacs. --- "Be good to yourself, because everyone else in the world is probably out to get you." - Dr. Harleen Quinzel <cite>Solar_Crimson posted [p:978862207] in The more I... [t:80697566]...</cite> <quote>The colonizers absolutely were genocidal maniacs. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SauI_Goodman 02/15/24 4:07:14 PM #4:	What about Mexico, Brazil, Canada any <insert any other country thst was colonized> --- Italian, French, German. <cite>SauI_Goodman posted [p:978862324] in The more I... [t:80697566]...</cite> <quote>What about Mexico, Brazil, Canada any <insert any other country thst was colonized> </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
AngelsNAirwav3s 02/15/24 4:09:18 PM #5:	Countries and civilizations having a history of blood and conquest is the rule, not the exception. --- Hello world! <cite>AngelsNAirwav3s posted [p:978862352] in The more I... [t:80697566]...</cite> <quote>Countries and civilizations having a history of blood and conquest is the rule, not the exception. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
emblem-man 02/15/24 4:12:11 PM #6:	Sadly, for the vast majority of humankind's history, the process of war, territorial disputes, and colonization has been very very harsh. --- http://avatar.xboxlive.com/avatar/emblem%20boy/avatar-body.png haters gonna hate <cite>emblem-man posted [p:978862409] in The more I... [t:80697566]...</cite> <quote>Sadly, for the vast majority of humankind's history, the process of war, territorial disputes, and colonization has been very very harsh. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
wanderingshade 02/15/24 4:12:48 PM #7:	Well, yeah they believed in "Manifest Destiny". --- "You're made of spare parts, aren't ya, bud?" <cite>wanderingshade posted [p:978862420] in The more I... [t:80697566]...</cite> <quote>Well, yeah they believed in "Manifest Destiny". </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TodorokiHayato 02/15/24 4:16:34 PM #8:	Why does it have to be that way? Doesn't that behavior somehow rationalize that human beings are intrinsically geared for murder? I feel like society and its current rules are the only reason why civilizations aren't randomly pillaging neighboring cities. What would happen if that structure become broken? --- Nobody knows you're a dog on the internet ruff. <cite>TodorokiHayato posted [p:978862480] in The more I... [t:80697566]...</cite> <quote>Why does it have to be that way? Doesn't that behavior somehow rationalize that human beings are intrinsically geared for murder? I feel like society and its current rules are the only reason why civilizations aren't randomly pillaging neighboring cities. What would happen if that structure become broken? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
emblem-man 02/15/24 9:22:18 PM #9:	TodorokiHayato posted... I feel like society and its current rules are the only reason why civilizations aren't randomly pillaging neighboring cities. What would happen if that structure become broken? It'd be really really bad --- http://avatar.xboxlive.com/avatar/emblem%20boy/avatar-body.png haters gonna hate <cite>emblem-man posted [p:978867633] in The more I... [t:80697566]...</cite> <quote>TodorokiHayato posted... </cite><quote>I feel like society and its current rules are the only reason why civilizations aren't randomly pillaging neighboring cities. What would happen if that structure become broken?</quote>It'd be really really bad </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
WingsOfGood 02/15/24 9:28:39 PM #10:	Most were rich dudes funded European monarchies so... <cite>WingsOfGood posted [p:978867709] in The more I... [t:80697566]...</cite> <quote>Most were rich dudes funded European monarchies so...</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BloodMoon7 02/15/24 9:31:23 PM #11:	TodorokiHayato posted... Why does it have to be that way? Doesn't that behavior somehow rationalize that human beings are intrinsically geared for murder? I feel like society and its current rules are the only reason why civilizations aren't randomly pillaging neighboring cities. What would happen if that structure become broken? I'd either be pillaged or be out pillaging cause it's a pillager pillage pillager world out there. --- My maid will hear about this. <cite>BloodMoon7 posted [p:978867752] in The more I... [t:80697566]...</cite> <quote>TodorokiHayato posted... </cite><quote>Why does it have to be that way? Doesn't that behavior somehow rationalize that human beings are intrinsically geared for murder? I feel like society and its current rules are the only reason why civilizations aren't randomly pillaging neighboring cities. What would happen if that structure become broken?</quote>I'd either be pillaged or be out pillaging cause it's a pillager pillage pillager world out there. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lord_Ephraim 02/15/24 9:33:04 PM #12:	It's just how humanity was for thousands of years. To specifically pick out the american colonizers is in bad faith. --- SNARGLEBLAGH <cite>Lord_Ephraim posted [p:978867778] in The more I... [t:80697566]...</cite> <quote>It's just how humanity was for thousands of years. To specifically pick out the american colonizers is in bad faith. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Solid_Snake07 02/15/24 9:33:14 PM #13:	SauI_Goodman posted... What about Mexico, Brazil, Canada any <insert any other country thst was colonized> Every civilization ever I dont know why people act like natives were all kumbaya till Europeans showed up. --- "People incapable of guilt usually do have a good time" -Detective Rust Cohle <cite>Solid_Snake07 posted [p:978867781] in The more I... [t:80697566]...</cite> <quote>SauI_Goodman posted... </cite><quote>What about Mexico, Brazil, Canada any <insert any other country thst was colonized></quote>Every civilization everI dont know why people act like natives were all kumbaya till Europeans showed up. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DrizztLink 02/15/24 9:34:20 PM #14:	Lord_Ephraim posted... It's just how humanity was for thousands of years. To specifically pick out the american colonizers is in bad faith. American colonizers created the world's first widespread and organized chattel slavery ring, it's not exactly unwarranted. --- He/Him http://guidesmedia.ign.com/guides/9846/images/slowpoke.gif https://i.imgur.com/M8h2ATe.png https://i.imgur.com/6ezFwG1.png <cite>DrizztLink posted [p:978867795] in The more I... [t:80697566]...</cite> <quote>Lord_Ephraim posted... </cite><quote>It's just how humanity was for thousands of years. To specifically pick out the american colonizers is in bad faith.</quote>American colonizers created the world's first widespread and organized chattel slavery ring, it's not exactly unwarranted. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
WingsOfGood 02/15/24 9:37:43 PM #15:	DrizztLink posted... American colonizers created the world's first widespread and organized chattel slavery ring, it's not exactly unwarranted. Thought Rome had it too. <cite>WingsOfGood posted [p:978867843] in The more I... [t:80697566]...</cite> <quote>DrizztLink posted... </cite><quote>American colonizers created the world's first widespread and organized chattel slavery ring, it's not exactly unwarranted.</quote>Thought Rome had it too.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LeoRavus 02/15/24 9:38:21 PM #16:	Humans have been murdering, raping, and pillaging their way into new territories forever. It's only less prevalent now because people are afraid of modern weapons. --- This is where cool people write stuff. <cite>LeoRavus posted [p:978867859] in The more I... [t:80697566]...</cite> <quote>Humans have been murdering, raping, and pillaging their way into new territories forever. It's only less prevalent now because people are afraid of modern weapons. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
WingsOfGood 02/15/24 9:39:42 PM #17:	LeoRavus posted... Humans have been murdering, raping, and pillaging their way into new territories forever. It's only less prevalent now because people are afraid of modern weapons. Putin: "hold my vodka" <cite>WingsOfGood posted [p:978867882] in The more I... [t:80697566]...</cite> <quote>LeoRavus posted... </cite><quote>Humans have been murdering, raping, and pillaging their way into new territories forever. It's only less prevalent now because people are afraid of modern weapons.</quote>Putin: "hold my vodka"</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
lydiaquayle 02/15/24 9:41:34 PM #18:	We are all descended from rapists and murderers. People who were colonized or enslaved back in the day, had an extremely low chance of surviving and producing healthy ancestors. It's perfectly fine to acknowledge our horrible history. As long as progress and learn from our history and improve ourselves as human beings. --- [Feminist][CisGender][Straight Supporter][Non-Binary] I'm not Ashamed to Dress 'like a Woman' because I don't think it's Shameful to be a Woman. ~Iggy Pop~ <cite>lydiaquayle posted [p:978867913] in The more I... [t:80697566]...</cite> <quote>We are all descended from rapists and murderers. People who were colonized or enslaved back in the day, had an extremely low chance of surviving and producing healthy ancestors. It's perfectly fine to acknowledge our horrible history. As long as progress and learn from our history and improve ourselves as human beings. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
WingsOfGood 02/15/24 9:43:32 PM #19:	lydiaquayle posted... We are all descended from rapists and murderers. People who were colonized or enslaved back in the day, had an extremely low chance of surviving and producing healthy ancestors. It's perfectly fine to acknowledge our horrible history. As long as progress and learn from our history and improve ourselves as human beings. Umm.... People today can trace roots back to someome who was enslaved.... <cite>WingsOfGood posted [p:978867942] in The more I... [t:80697566]...</cite> <quote>lydiaquayle posted... </cite><quote>We are all descended from rapists and murderers. People who were colonized or enslaved back in the day, had an extremely low chance of surviving and producing healthy ancestors. It's perfectly fine to acknowledge our horrible history. As long as progress and learn from our history and improve ourselves as human beings.</quote>Umm.... People today can trace roots back to someome who was enslaved....</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
JuanCarlos1 02/15/24 9:49:46 PM #20:	Lord_Ephraim posted... It's just how humanity was for thousands of years. To specifically pick out the american colonizers is in bad faith. Huh? I think it hits different when talking about the history of your country? When they mostly teach the broad strokes of what happened without the nitty gritty details, so its kind of a shock when you finally learn the truth. Anyway fuck them, fuck the Spanish colonizers, fuck Genghis Khan and to hell with Alexander the Great. Great historic figures my ass. --- Mas dicen, que en las dimensiones de nuestro ser... hay muchos detalles por conocer... <cite>JuanCarlos1 posted [p:978868044] in The more I... [t:80697566]...</cite> <quote>Lord_Ephraim posted... </cite><quote>It's just how humanity was for thousands of years. To specifically pick out the american colonizers is in bad faith.</quote>Huh? I think it hits different when talking about the history of your country? When they mostly teach the broad strokes of what happened without the nitty gritty details, so its kind of a shock when you finally learn the truth. Anyway fuck them, fuck the Spanish colonizers, fuck Genghis Khan and to hell with Alexander the Great. Great historic figures my ass. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
trivialbeing 02/15/24 9:52:32 PM #21:	the colonizers were no worse than the ones already there genociding other tribes. this narrative that white Europeans were somehow uniquely evil is not accurate <cite>trivialbeing posted [p:978868078] in The more I... [t:80697566]...</cite> <quote>the colonizers were no worse than the ones already there genociding other tribes.this narrative that white Europeans were somehow uniquely evil is not accurate </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
willythemailboy 02/15/24 9:53:45 PM #22:	WingsOfGood posted... Thought Rome had it too. Almost everyone did at one point or another. The Romans did, the Greeks did, the Russians did, all the Muslim countries did, etc. Even at the height of the trans-Atlantic slave trade the Americas only accounted for about half the slave exports from Africa. --- There are four lights. <cite>willythemailboy posted [p:978868090] in The more I... [t:80697566]...</cite> <quote>WingsOfGood posted... </cite><quote>Thought Rome had it too.</quote>Almost everyone did at one point or another. The Romans did, the Greeks did, the Russians did, all the Muslim countries did, etc. Even at the height of the trans-Atlantic slave trade the Americas only accounted for about half the slave exports from Africa. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
willythemailboy 02/15/24 9:56:41 PM #23:	WingsOfGood posted... Umm.... People today can trace roots back to someome who was enslaved.... And often back to at least one ancestor who owned another of their ancestors. Go back far enough and you will find colonizers and murderers. --- There are four lights. <cite>willythemailboy posted [p:978868122] in The more I... [t:80697566]...</cite> <quote>WingsOfGood posted... </cite><quote>Umm.... People today can trace roots back to someome who was enslaved....</quote>And often back to at least one ancestor who owned another of their ancestors. Go back far enough and you will find colonizers and murderers. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
lolife67 02/15/24 9:56:52 PM #24:	Some of you are really outing yourselves here. <cite>lolife67 posted [p:978868126] in The more I... [t:80697566]...</cite> <quote>Some of you are really outing yourselves here.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
xGhostchantx 02/15/24 9:58:41 PM #25:	AngelsNAirwav3s posted... Countries and civilizations having a history of blood and conquest is the rule, not the exception. Yeah, this. There were definitely non-assholes involved. But there were also a lot of assholes involved who weren't being supervised by their governments (which was probably mostly assholes anyway). One thing that shits me off to no end is Captain Cook received pretty explicit orders from on high to only settle with consent and non-violence [unless attacked] by the Admiralty. And he ... did the exact opposite. .. Which the Crown then ignored. --- Tiw - Min scild, min sweord Woden - Se ALLFAEDER he is, naes hwitra manna anra <cite>xGhostchantx posted [p:978868151] in The more I... [t:80697566]...</cite> <quote>AngelsNAirwav3s posted... </cite><quote>Countries and civilizations having a history of blood and conquest is the rule, not the exception.</quote>Yeah, this.There were definitely non-assholes involved. But there were also a lot of assholes involved who weren't being supervised by their governments (which was probably mostly assholes anyway).One thing that shits me off to no end is Captain Cook received pretty explicit orders from on high to only settle with consent and non-violence [unless attacked] by the Admiralty. And he ... did the exact opposite... Which the Crown then ignored. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
lydiaquayle 02/15/24 10:15:56 PM #26:	WingsOfGood posted... Umm.... People today can trace roots back to someome who was enslaved.... Exactly. Our ancestry is basically a history of conquerors and their collaborators raping and coercing the colonized. Who is most likely to survive and have children? Black slaves? Or black slave traders who fucked over their own people? --- [Feminist][CisGender][Straight Supporter][Non-Binary] I'm not Ashamed to Dress 'like a Woman' because I don't think it's Shameful to be a Woman. ~Iggy Pop~ <cite>lydiaquayle posted [p:978868352] in The more I... [t:80697566]...</cite> <quote>WingsOfGood posted... </cite><quote>Umm.... People today can trace roots back to someome who was enslaved....</quote>Exactly. Our ancestry is basically a history of conquerors and their collaborators raping and coercing the colonized. Who is most likely to survive and have children? Black slaves? Or black slave traders who fucked over their own people? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
WingsOfGood 02/15/24 10:18:36 PM #27:	lydiaquayle posted... are you descended from a slave owner or something? <cite>WingsOfGood posted [p:978868391] in The more I... [t:80697566]...</cite> <quote>lydiaquayle posted... </cite><quote></quote>are you descended from a slave owner or something?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MarcoRubio 02/15/24 10:19:59 PM #28:	lolife67 posted... Some of you are really outing yourselves here. --- Confirmed unbiased <cite>MarcoRubio posted [p:978868410] in The more I... [t:80697566]...</cite> <quote>lolife67 posted... </cite><quote>Some of you are really outing yourselves here.</quote> </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
lydiaquayle 02/15/24 10:21:06 PM #29:	WingsOfGood posted... are you descended from a slave owner or something? I have Chinese/Taiwanese blood. So, probably not slave owners. But at some point, the Han Chinese raped and pillaged some Asian tribe in Ancient China that no longer exists. So definitely have some conqueror blood, or Genghis Khan blood. --- [Feminist][CisGender][Straight Supporter][Non-Binary] I'm not Ashamed to Dress 'like a Woman' because I don't think it's Shameful to be a Woman. ~Iggy Pop~ <cite>lydiaquayle posted [p:978868423] in The more I... [t:80697566]...</cite> <quote>WingsOfGood posted... </cite><quote>are you descended from a slave owner or something?</quote>I have Chinese/Taiwanese blood. So, probably not slave owners. But at some point, the Han Chinese raped and pillaged some Asian tribe in Ancient China that no longer exists. So definitely have some conqueror blood, or Genghis Khan blood. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
lydiaquayle 02/15/24 10:23:21 PM #30:	trivialbeing posted... this narrative that white Europeans were somehow uniquely evil is not accurate The narrative is meant as a counterweight to Western exceptionalism -- it wasn't meant as a justification for hating white Caucasians. --- [Feminist][CisGender][Straight Supporter][Non-Binary] I'm not Ashamed to Dress 'like a Woman' because I don't think it's Shameful to be a Woman. ~Iggy Pop~ <cite>lydiaquayle posted [p:978868457] in The more I... [t:80697566]...</cite> <quote>trivialbeing posted... </cite><quote>this narrative that white Europeans were somehow uniquely evil is not accurate</quote>The narrative is meant as a counterweight to Western exceptionalism -- it wasn't meant as a justification for hating white Caucasians. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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