Current Events > At what level of wealth does it become unethical?

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DarkDoc
02/12/24 5:21:28 PM
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@C_Pain had a thread that asked "Stemming from the no ethical billionaires saying, what minimum level of wealth accrued necessitates it was gotten unethically?"

Unfortunately, the whole thing got spammed with nearly 300 replies of debate on the nature of ethics and altruism. For me, what's more interesting is the number. So here's a revised version of the thread. I don't care why you think what you do, just say how much.
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bigblu89
02/12/24 5:25:04 PM
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I think it has to go on a case by case basis depending on HOW the wealth was gained.

Someone made a statement that "Anyone making more than $10 million is evil" and I countered with how that's mid-level talent salary in Major League Baseball, and those players are hardly evil.

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C_Pain
02/12/24 5:27:06 PM
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Thanks. I'm glad that most people acknowledge that a blanket eat the rich mentality is stupid.

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epik_fail1
02/12/24 5:28:36 PM
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I think assuming someone being rich is inherently a bad person is dumb, but most billionaires have kids working in factories in poor countries

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ai123
02/12/24 5:29:36 PM
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The ethics are not determined by the amount.

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JKwaffle
02/12/24 5:31:40 PM
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epik_fail1 posted...
I think assuming someone being rich is inherently a bad person is dumb, but most billionaires have kids working in factories in poor countries
This. Being rich is not an automatic youre evil, but the more you get (especially Billion +), it becomes less and less likely that you acquired that much money through ethical means.

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wiiking96
02/12/24 5:36:18 PM
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There should be an imposed wealth cap of $10, 000, 000. It's bad and harmful to allow individuals to become excessively powerful. We also need massive changes to the way the US government operates such that individual politicians are less powerful.

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DarkDoc
02/14/24 4:02:06 PM
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Based on

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/400-current-events/80684335
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2Pacavelli
02/14/24 4:02:35 PM
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As long as it's made ethically I'd say no amount of unethical
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DarkDoc
02/17/24 6:33:29 AM
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bigblu89 posted...
I think it has to go on a case by case basis depending on HOW the wealth was gained.

Let's say ethically.
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SydnieStarlight
02/17/24 7:00:35 AM
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I think I said this in the topic TC mentioned, but I did some math about it and determined that, if we pretend minimum wage is enough for one person to survive, then around $5,000,000 is enough money for four people to go their entire lives without any of them ever having to work a day. In other words, that amount is more than enough for a family of four to live reasonably comfortable lives without any of them ever working again.

I think that reasoning makes it a fine number to set as an upper limit of how much wealth one person is allowed to hold without raising ethical concerns.

One thing I want to clarify is this: all billionaires are evil. This isn't to say necessarily that all billionaires acquired their wealth through unethical means. (Although that is certainly also true; you cannot acquire even tens of millions of dollars without profiting off of the exploitation of poorer folk.) Rather, the act of being a billionaire is, itself, an evil act. To make the conscious decision to hoard that level of wealth rather than use it for the betterment of the world around you is beyond selfishness. If millions of people are struggling and dying and someone who could help them without even sacrificing any comforts chooses to sit on their ever-growing pile of gold, how can you say that person isn't evil? And no, billionaires who donate to charity don't get a pass. If, after your donations, you're still a billionaire, you aren't donating nearly enough.

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whitelytning
02/17/24 8:09:13 AM
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Dumb concept. Wealth accumulation and ethics in business and life are different things.

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uwnim
02/17/24 8:46:05 AM
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DarkDoc posted...
Let's say ethically.
Then there's no level of wealth that is wrong.

Now if it is acquired unethically, then even only having a dollar could be unethical. If let's say you got it by beating up a 4 year old.

SydnieStarlight posted...
And no, billionaires who donate to charity don't get a pass. If, after your donations, you're still a billionaire, you aren't donating nearly enough.
Someone can be a billionaire and have way less than a billion in actual usable wealth.

Like if you turned Elon Musk into a good person, he'd still be a billionaire just from how much of SpaceX he'd need to own to keep it on mission.

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Thanatos_the_Great
02/17/24 8:53:17 AM
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It's not the amount that's an issue, it's whether you obtained it by earning it or by extracting it from other people's labour (i.e. being a capitalist, landlord or other rentier).

That said, there are amounts that it's inconceivable that someone earned rather than took - no one has ever earned a billion dollars.

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jsb0714
02/17/24 8:56:40 AM
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When you can afford to be a tax cheat.
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Glob
02/17/24 9:24:26 AM
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Acquiring any amount of wealth is inherently unethical (though there are many unethical ways to do so). Hoarding your wealth, however, is unethical.

Im fortunate enough to be very comfortable and I give a lot back. Id say if youre very comfortable and do nothing to help those less fortunate, thats unethical.
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gamer167
02/17/24 9:48:54 AM
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As soon as you make more than me
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nocturnal_traveler
02/17/24 9:59:56 AM
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It's always about how the wealth was earned. That said, much of wealth earned is from unethical methods. Or just inherited, which isn't yet unethical until it's decided what they will do to continue the wealth flow.

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mach25687
02/17/24 10:19:56 AM
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When they can have a monopoly.

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