Current Events > Shaq says to never open up to a woman

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pazzy posted...

But it's not a societal issue here. Did. You. Watch. The. Video?

Obviously I did, it's 30 seconds. Misogyny and encourage men to not open up are both premier examples of toxic masculinity and societal issues. Also have to note what a seriously braindead example you used for having a relationship means you can't have issues as if all those wife beaters and chauvinists before women's suffrage/1970s didn't all have wives as well.
The fact that you avoided my question about your partner being a man or a woman though suggests it's a man which makes your point even more meaningless if not further supports my point.

Do gay dudes open up to each other?

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Yeah, it was supposed to be not. You're not at fault for telling people things because you believe you can trust them.

I agree. And the reason I'm bringing up that it isn't toxic masculinity, is because he says this based on his opinion. He didn't tell men how they should behave, he didn't tell them "you need to be strong for them." He literally said "because they'll throw it back in your face." It's sexist, but there is nothing about that that's toxic masculinity.

Really it just sounds like he's never been in a good relationship, and considering his history, that's par for the course.

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Also, how much of a known trope is it that men search for the nearest escape when their wife or GF starts "talking about her day"...? It's like the most hack joke on sitcoms and stand up routines at this point.

But like most right wing stuff, YOU as the man are the victim and entitled to behave the bad way while expecting women to act better because of your privilege and because the Bible says men are superior.

What did I ever do to this guy?

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No. Because he clearly says "players like.." and then motions about the two people there. This is solely a him thing. Like... It's a bad opinion. But it's not what gamefaqs is trying to do.

GiftedACIII posted...

Obviously I did, it's 30 seconds. Misogyny and encourage men to not open up are both premier examples of toxic masculinity and societal issues. Also have to note what a seriously braindead example you used for having a relationship means you can't have issues as if all those wife beaters and chauvinists before women's suffrage/1970s didn't all have wives as well.
The fact that you avoided my question about your partner being a man or a woman though suggests it's a man which makes your point even more meaningless if not further supports my point.

No. You didn't. Because if you had, you would have known that is statement is about himself and the man next to him. Because this statement is not clearly about all men. So it's not toxic masculinity. And what in the fresh hell are you going on about? Maybe if you'd stop being a foul git and stop trying to insult people you'd be able to actually listen.

I didn't avoid it, I ignored it because it's irrelevant.

pazzy posted...

No. You didn't. Because if you had, you would have known that is statement is about himself and the man next to him. Because this statement is not clearly about all men. So it's not toxic masculinity. And what in the fresh hell are you going on about? Maybe if you'd stop being a foul git and stop trying to insult people you'd be able to actually listen.

I didn't avoid it, I ignored it because it's irrelevant.

The statement at all is toxic masculinity along with misogyny being part of toxic masculinity too. And as can be seen by the comments on the video it gets his non-player viewers to also believe in that statement. That's the societal aspect at work right there.
You were the one who brought up being in a relationship. But it being a man would explain a lot of things. You've been subtlely trying to push that his words have some validity in them as long as one open up to men instead, so this influences why you think it's not toxic masculinity as long as you can still open up to men.

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There isn't anything different about men in the room and men in general? I can give you one right off the bat. Do you think all men would have the same opinion as him?

I'm not defending "this." I'm saying what he said is stupid, but it's not all this other dumbass shit people are saying like:
GiftedACIII posted...

The statement at all is toxic masculinity along with misogyny being part of toxic masculinity too. And as can be seen by the comments on the video it gets his non-player viewers to also believe in that statement. That's the societal aspect at work right there.
You were the one who brought up being in a relationship. But it being a man would explain a lot of things. You've been subtlely trying to push that his words have some validity in them as long as one open up to men instead, so this influences why you think it's not toxic masculinity as long as you can still open up to men.

This nonsense here.

pazzy posted...

There isn't anything different about men in the room and men in general? I can give you one right off the bat. Do you think all men would have the same opinion as him?

I'm not defending "this." I'm saying what he said is stupid, but it's not all this other dumbass shit people are saying like:

This nonsense here.

The only one spouting nonsense in this discussion is you.

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Yes. It does. Because he's not literally everyone else in the world, let alone all men. This is absolutely disgusting.
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How could it when I've said multiple times he is wrong?
GiftedACIII posted...

The only one spouting nonsense in this discussion is you.

You've been all over the place.

pazzy posted...

Yes. It does. Because he's not literally everyone else in the world, let alone all men. This is absolutely disgusting.

How could it when I've said multiple times he is wrong?

You've been all over the place.

That's just your poor rational thinking and comprehension.

I mean its not just a woman thing. My friend would do this shit to his wife constantly.

and my dad did to my mom before they got divorced.

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There is a ton that makes him different from the average man. So you're going to have to specify what you mean. Because what Shaq did is a sweeping statement. What you're doing is a sweeping statement. There is nothing to suggest that this is the normal opinion. But at least when Shaq did it, it was in reference to himself and the type of person he is.

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I've been clear from the start. I laughed at people talking about toxic masculinity over a person's individual dumbass remark. And somehow that makes me a right wing chud that hates women by virtue that I think he has a terrible opinion.

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Because Shaq never made it a female to male issue. He's presumably straight, and the question was asked about women because those would be the type of people that he's going to be romantically involved with-- thus revealing more intimate secrets with. Yet people act like this is somehow something that's not only hard to grasp, but then make up additional shit to be mad about. He didn't tell guys to not open up to women, he clearly says that he doesn't because women use it against him. He didn't say anything about why men shouldn't, he said why he doesn't.

There's a lot of random hail Mary stereotypes being thrown around in this topic when each relationship is up to the individuals and how they approach it. It's common knowledge that communication is vital in a relationship and you're encouraged to be open with people.

GiftedACIII posted...

That's just your poor rational thinking and comprehension.

No. It's you saying dumb shit and trying to make random jabs rather than making sense.

Like seriously folks, a bad opinion can be had, it doesn't mean that you need to start fighting about gender roles and stereotypes.

pazzy posted...

I've been clear from the start. I laughed at people talking about toxic masculinity over a person's individual dumbass remark. And somehow that makes me a right wing chud that hates women by virtue that I think he has a terrible opinion.

And here comes the disingenuous narratives. From the start you equated bashing toxic masculinity with explicit misogyny. Even if people were misusing toxic masculinity (they weren't) those would be separate things, since attacking toxic masculinity isn't an attack on all men.
Second, you don't have to be fully right wing to have chud opinions on various subjects. This one appears to be one for you.

pazzy posted...

No. It's you saying dumb shit and trying to make random jabs rather than making sense.

Like seriously folks, a bad opinion can be had, it doesn't mean that you need to start fighting about gender roles and stereotypes.

That's rich coming from the guy who resorts to "nuh-uh" and "you're nuts" when he runs out of arguments lacking the self-awareness that nobody else agrees with him.
It doesn't have to be about gender roles and stereotypes but why shouldn't the topic continue on to the gender roles and stereotypes that might play a part? This is the equivalent of chuds going "I don't like seeing politics in my game".

GiftedACIII posted...

And here comes the disingenuous narratives. From the start you equated bashing toxic masculinity with explicit misogyny. Even if people were misusing toxic masculinity (they weren't) those would be separate things, since attacking toxic masculinity isn't an attack on all men.
Second, you don't have to be fully right wing to have chud opinions on various subjects. This one appears to be one for you.

No I didn't. It was mentioned before I even posted. So this is wildly incorrect. Second, this is still incorrect. You're literally just making stuff up still.
GiftedACIII posted...

That's rich coming from the guy who resorts to "nuh-uh" and "you're nuts" when he runs out of arguments lacking the self-awareness that nobody else agrees with him.
It doesn't have to be about gender roles and stereotypes but why shouldn't the topic continue on to the gender roles and stereotypes that might play a part? This is the equivalent of chuds going "I don't like seeing politics in my game".

You've spent more time making things up than actually responding like you processed what was said.

pazzy posted...

No I didn't. It was mentioned before I even posted. So this is wildly incorrect. Second, this is still incorrect. You're literally just making stuff up still.

pazzy posted...

I have to laugh at the irony of people saying "not all women" and then blaming "toxic masculinity."

There is no irony and nothing to laugh about because they're two different things. One is direct misogyny and one is attacking a broad societal issue where both men and women are victims.
Second, you're not convincing anyone otherwise.
pazzy posted...

You've spent more time making things up than actually responding like you processed what was said.

What are the things I made up? The only thing happening here is you intentionally playing obtuse and deflecting everything once you're cornered.

garan posted...

I've definitely had it happen to me with exes before.

they used it against you? How though?

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No. I'm not. And you're going to have to be specific about what makes him an average man? That is precisely what I'm asking of you. What makes you sure his opinion is exactly what the average man does? Does the average man cheat like Shaq? Do you understand why I'm asking you to be specific here? I'm asking you to be specific about what makes him an average man.

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Ok.
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It's not toxic masculinity. It's an individualistic remark. He isn't holding himself to that standard because of what he thinks other men think, and he's not telling other men they need to do what he does. How do you not understand this?

My beef is the lack of people clearly not listening to the video first off. The topic title lies in here and YouTube. Shaq does not say "never open up to a woman." He says that "he doesn't open up to women." There is a massive difference there. I'm convinced you could post a topic title on Current Events, and place any random link, and people would talk about the title and not even catch that the article has nothing to do with the topic title.

My other beef is me saying this, and people are somehow trying to armchair psychologist themselves into saying I have a persecution complex and all sorts of personal attacks because... They didn't watch a short clip and said wild things that have nothing to do with an opinion. And then make arguments that don't even support themselves and when you out out the problem with it, they insist their argument is perfect and you are the problem because you say "it didn't make sense."

GiftedACIII posted...

There is no irony and nothing to laugh about because they're two different things. One is direct misogyny and one is attacking a broad societal issue where both men and women are victims.
Second, you're not convincing anyone otherwise.

No. There is. The entire situation is about individuals. Shaq not being open to women isn't even a slight to women necessarily. And even if it was, it has nothing to do with toxic masculinity. "Not all women" acknowledges an individual, and then bringing up "toxic masculinity" does not acknowledge the individual. That's the irony there. Shaq has an opinion and it's his individual one. It's not anything about patriarchy, toxic masculinity, it's nothing but a bad individual opinion of a man that has shitty relationships.

GiftedACIII posted...

What are the things I made up? The only thing happening here is you intentionally playing obtuse and deflecting everything once you're cornered.

All over the place. Like when I call you out on comparison to light skinned individuals and saying that's not even the same issue because it still wildly misses the mark, and you STILL keep riding a missed mark of an argument. Like you're still doing now and doubling down. There is no "I'm cornered." You're just literally speaking out of your neck.

Pazzy, your reading comprehension skills are very poor, and you really lack self awareness in your insinuations. I'll give you a specific example, since that seems to be something you keep harping on.

When Ash said: "there's nothing inherently different about him that makes his experience with women any different than your average man" you said "What makes you sure his opinion is exactly what the average man does?" These are not the same thing. She said one thing, your response is another. Saying there is nothing inherently different about his experiences with women is not saying his opinion is that of the average man.

Here is another specific example, this one is of your lack of self awareness. When you said, "My beef is the lack of people clearly not listening to the video". You have no actual basis for this, especially when people have told you they did watch the 30 second clip. In reality, you are simply missing the part where people have different opinions than you do.

Here's something else specific for you. Your understanding of toxic masculinity is wrong. You seem to understand that Shaq made a stupid and misogynist remark. You don't seem to comprehend that misogyny is part of toxic masculinity.

So, your problem with "armchair psychologist" actually stems from them not being aware that you don't know these things. They assumed since you were commenting that you did. And if you did know this, they are trying to find a reasonable reason why you would come to such a conclusion, despite knowing that misogyny is part of toxic masculinity, and a single persons views or opinions can be toxic masculinity. You seem to be asserting that because he didn't say 'everyone else needs to be like me', that it can't be toxic masculinity. That's just false. Individual opinions, beliefs, and actions can be toxic masculinity.

pazzy posted...

No. There is. The entire situation is about individuals. Shaq not being open to women isn't even a slight to women necessarily. And even if it was, it has nothing to do with toxic masculinity. "Not all women" acknowledges an individual, and then bringing up "toxic masculinity" does not acknowledge the individual. That's the irony there. Shaq has an opinion and it's his individual one. It's not anything about patriarchy, toxic masculinity, it's nothing but a bad individual opinion of a man that has shitty relationships.

A police officer saying they don't trust black people, a parent saying they don't trust gay men (or any man for that matter) around their kids aren't slights to them? There can't possibly be any societal reasons for those that can be brought up? What is wrong with you? An individual or not saying it means nothing. A guy claiming he treats women worse because he's a sigma male is the poster child of toxic masculinity. This is common sense. The only reason you can think otherwise is if you relate with similar opinions.

pazzy posted...

All over the place. Like when I call you out on comparison to light skinned individuals and saying that's not even the same issue because it still wildly misses the mark, and you STILL keep riding a missed mark of an argument. Like you're still doing now and doubling down. There is no "I'm cornered." You're just literally speaking out of your neck.

This is what I'm talking about when I refer to your shit rational thinking . I clarified that it's (obviously) a comparison with toxic masculinity to show that bringing up and criticizing the phenomenon isn't attacking the individual (majority) subjects of the phenomenon itself. It's called an analogy. Something you did yourself when you tried to compare it to equating all transpeople to what one transperson did (which you're the one that missed the mark on, your comparison is actually what Shaq did, not anyone ITT). So did you make things up then? And You're the one missing the mark towards multiple people and doubling down on your nonsense. Don't know if this lack of self-awareness is intentional or not.

Sounds like an incredibly lonely and cowardly way to live your life. Self-isolation is a waste of your life.