Current Events > Reminder: Mystique is now Nightcrawlers father

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UnfairRepresent posted...

wut

In the very likely case you don't want to watch a 40 minute video just to get the gist of it.

In 1980's Avengers no. 200, Danvers finds out she's seven months pregnant with a baby, despite not being pregnant the day before. Strange, father-less pregnancies aren't exactly anything to get up in arms over (see: the Bible). But as James Shooter, Marvel's editor-in-chief and lead writer on Avengers no. 200, would reveal, a villain named Marcus Immortus kidnapped Danvers against her will. Then, with the aid of machines, he more or less roofied her, impregnated her with a version of himself, and had her memory wiped:

Danvers's tale of cosmic kidnapping and rape gets worse. When she finds out the details of Marcus's plan, Danvers is angry. And she's frustrated that the other Avengers many of whom are really happy this baby is being born cannot grasp the concept that she's been, in her own words, "used":

As Strickland points out, this flash of anger is well-done. It's how you responsibly handle a scene like this in comic books, how you indicate that a character has been abused and violated against her will. However, later in the book, all this this anger is taken away from Danvers. She feels a soft-spot for Marcus and returns with him to his dimension:

This sudden change in Danvers's demeanor doesn't strike Earth's mightiest heroes as weird, even though they've heard her tale of brainwashing and rape. Her sudden shift in personality, even after acknowledging that some of it might be due to Marcus's inter-dimensional roofie machines, doesn't elicit any response from her friends or any attempt to talk her out of accompanying Marcus home. Instead, they let their compatriot walk into the sunset, and hope everything works out for the best:

So, when you fight Mystique as Nightcrawler in the X-Men arcade game, that means it's a Darth Vader fight?

She is male when you fight her. Caped and helmeted too.

TheSavageDragon posted...

They have been related for decades. It's just that Mystique was the one who got pregnant. Two decades ago they made it so she got pregnant with another demonic looking mutant's child. And now she's the baby daddy as was originally intended.

Yeah I thought back in Age of Apocalypse she was his mom.

TheSavageDragon posted...

In the very likely case you don't want to watch a 40 minute video just to get the gist of it.

In 1980's Avengers no. 200, Danvers finds out she's seven months pregnant with a baby, despite not being pregnant the day before. Strange, father-less pregnancies aren't exactly anything to get up in arms over (see: the Bible). But as James Shooter, Marvel's editor-in-chief and lead writer on Avengers no. 200, would reveal, a villain named Marcus Immortus kidnapped Danvers against her will. Then, with the aid of machines, he more or less roofied her, impregnated her with a version of himself, and had her memory wiped:

Danvers's tale of cosmic kidnapping and rape gets worse. When she finds out the details of Marcus's plan, Danvers is angry. And she's frustrated that the other Avengers many of whom are really happy this baby is being born cannot grasp the concept that she's been, in her own words, "used":

As Strickland points out, this flash of anger is well-done. It's how you responsibly handle a scene like this in comic books, how you indicate that a character has been abused and violated against her will. However, later in the book, all this this anger is taken away from Danvers. She feels a soft-spot for Marcus and returns with him to his dimension:

This sudden change in Danvers's demeanor doesn't strike Earth's mightiest heroes as weird, even though they've heard her tale of brainwashing and rape. Her sudden shift in personality, even after acknowledging that some of it might be due to Marcus's inter-dimensional roofie machines, doesn't elicit any response from her friends or any attempt to talk her out of accompanying Marcus home. Instead, they let their compatriot walk into the sunset, and hope everything works out for the best:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yw7dlXrkrEU

full context makes it even worse

I remember Cracked I think, (back when they were good. I'm not even sure if they still exist.) Did an article about that Avengers 200 issue

I think it was written by Seanbaby

Zikten posted...

I remember Cracked I think, (back when they were good

So never?

I seem to remember Nightcrawler being the son of Mystique in X-Men: The Animated Series or X-Men Evolution.

I know Mystique taught Rogue to use her powers in X-Men TAS, but I can't remember if it was mentioned if they were related or not.

Mystique Cartman

TheSavageDragon posted...

If you think that's crazy you should read up on the time a villain raped Captain Marvel, then Ms Marvel, and fathered himself. That's easily the most bonkers wtf shit any of the Big Two ever produced.

AceMos posted...

and then the avengers gleefully let said rapist kidnap carol away to his pocket dimension and sent her off to be trapped with her rapist forever in a timeless void smiling while they did it

The comic is way too different than the cartoon. I never thought this happened in the comic.

Kradek posted...

Mystique Cartman

lol

Reminder that Mystique and Destiny being Nightcrawler's biological parents was Chris Claremont's intention for their characters when he wrote them, and he was hinting at it, but editorial stopped him from officially making it canon back during his run of the comics.

TheSavageDragon posted...

If you think that's crazy you should read up on the time a villain raped Captain Marvel, then Ms Marvel, and fathered himself. That's easily the most bonkers wtf shit any of the Big Two ever produced.

Oh lord please no the context is so much worse than the brief summation, if possible.

Wait, did she turn into azazel and then impregnate destiny, or did she just remain in her mystique form and Bible black it down there?

Also thinking on it I don't know enough/anything about azazel to "be mad" about this even if I wanted to, they barely gave him any lines in
X-men first class and that's my only exposure to him. I dont even remember him being in the cartoons.

Revisited posted...

Wait, did she turn into azazel and then impregnate destiny

Now that's a kink