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AceMos posted...

no it would be like if in the MCU after endgame the post credit scene reaveled a character only in the ironman wii game was revealed to be the true mastermind

I mean, it was actually both.

It wasn't only about the master coming out from the niche game, it was also about Xigbar, a side character / boss enemy everyone knew since KH2 already.

So, yeah, it's more like Boba "Are you not supposed to be dead?" Fett suddenly serving some Sith Lord from some Old Republic spinoff, as the reveal of the KH3 post credit scene.

I wish I could say this was the most bullshit move in the story telling of KH, but sadly, it isn't.

LSGW_Zephyra posted...

But I never felt underwhelmed and after the attitude check that was KH:3D, I knew the plot would be absolute nonsense. Like the gameplay and atmosphere is probably the best Nomura has done. I don't remember the pacing being any worse then the others nor do I recall Sora being any dumber than normal

The pacing is really bad because DDD was done very poorly.

KH3 has like 6 separate jobs to do in its runtime and it naturally doesn't manage to do all of them well.

SydnieStarlight posted...

and it was by far the best the Disney worlds have ever been.

Hard disagree. KH1 and KH2 did worlds way better

Karovorak posted...

I mean, it was actually both.

It wasn't only about the master coming out from the niche game, it was also about Xigbar, a side character / boss enemy everyone knew since KH2 already.

So, yeah, it's more like Boba "Are you not supposed to be dead?" Fett suddenly serving some Sith Lord from some Old Republic spinoff, as the reveal of the KH3 post credit scene.

I wish I could say this was the most bullshit move in the story telling of KH, but sadly, it isn't.

indeed even discussing the worst bullshit requires a encyclopedia to explain

I liked the third game. Lets be real, it was never going to live up to the hype. Its definitely not as good as the first game or KH2, but still much better than the handhelds. Over the summer I finally did a 100% journal run and had a blast. The Kingdom Hearts games are the only games I dont mind grinding / synth material farming in lol.

Havent played the DLC yet, but I did finally get it when it was around $12 a couple months ago. (Wasnt paying $30 for that shit lmao).

It gets major props from me for having Toy Story and Tangled worlds! I liked that Hercules was in it again and honestly I probably wouldve added one more world that had been there since the beginning (Aladdin would be my pick, because of bias but also there is a third story they couldve loosely adapted as well).

Karovorak posted...

It wasn't only about the master coming out from the niche game, it was also about Xigbar, a side character / boss enemy everyone knew since KH2 already.

Yeah that was a true head scratch moment for me, even by KH standards. It's amazing to me that they never learned to stop putting major plot points in random supplementary material/games. I never even bothered to look up a summary of what all that even meant in relation to that

rexcrk posted...

I liked the third game. Lets be real, it was never going to live up to the hype. Its definitely not as good as the first game or KH2, but still much better than the handhelds. Over the summer I finally did a 100% journal run and had a blast. The Kingdom Hearts games are the only games I dont mind grinding / synth material farming in lol.

Havent played the DLC yet, but I did finally get it when it was around $12 a couple months ago. (Wasnt paying $30 for that shit lmao).

It gets major props from me for having Toy Story and Tangled worlds! I liked that Hercules was in it again and honestly I probably wouldve added one more world that had been there since the beginning (Aladdin would be my pick, because of bias but also there is a third story they couldve loosely adapted as well).

The DLC is by far the best part. The Limit Cut fights are better than literally every base game fight combined

I only ever played 1 and 2 and figured 3 would be easy enough to understand without playing the others but I was horribly wrong.

I had no fucking clue what the hell was going on from the start and that combined with the god awful voice acting made me never finish it.

KH3 was trivially easy. I played on proud mode since it was the hardest at release. I dont remember dying once. They give you too many abilities and they all do so much damage while making you invincible. Its a shame since it was fun to play otherwise

the story was insultingly bad

I never tried the dlc yet. Maybe I will

At one point, I considered KH1 to be my favorite game of all time. Imagine my disappointment when I finally got around to playing 3.

The story was just incomprehensible. I may have skipped most of the side titles between 2 and 3, which is probably part of the reason why. But the little story that there was all took place at the very end from what I recall. For most of the game, Sora's only motivation is to become stronger (through the power of awakening, or whatever it was called).

And the Frozen world...how did they butcher that so badly? I couldn't help but laugh when I discovered that level's progression consisted of scaling the same snowy mountain like 3 or 4 times. What was that all about?

The only redeeming sections of the game were the Toy Story and Pirate worlds. And maybe Rapunzel's world. Everything else was completely forgettable.

Oh, and the lack of FF characters was stupid. Their inclusion is a big reason why I, and many others, were even interested in the series in the first place. They were a huge part of the series's appeal.

The series is just irredeemable at this point. The story is a convoluted mess that can't be deciphered by anyone who hasn't devoted their life to understanding it. I never would have imagined saying this, but I have no interest in any future titles.

They should have ended it with the Disney characters only and then start a new trilogy with only using Pixar characters. Then release 3 separate trilogy spin offs one based on Simpsons, Marvel and Star Wars this was easy money....

Remember when they reanimated the entirety of Let It Go just to have random shots of Sora and the gang going oh wow interspersed throughout?

That actually happened right? I didnt dream that?

BlueBoy675 posted...

Remember when they reanimated the entirety of Let It Go just to have random shots of Sora and the gang going oh wow interspersed throughout?

That actually happened right? I didnt dream that?

I honestly wouldnt have expected any less lol. Fortunately the song is still an absolute banger

Yeah and it still wasn't as weird as the scene where they play Do You Wanna Build a Snowman in a flashback and present Anna is talking over the song with exposition. So you can't really hear the dialogue or the song very well. Like, at least Sora and co. wowing at Let It Go doesn't interrupt the song.

AceMos posted...

the problem with KHs story beyond the fact nomura keeps adding random shit that makes it more convoluted

is it kept focusing on sora

sora and crew should have exited the story with KH2

then we get a new main cast with a new keyblade (that has a different function)

and that be how KH works just different characters bopping around disney movies solving different problems

This is one of the dumbest posts Ive seen year.

The story is probably the worst I've ever experienced and the gameplay was not good enough to make up for that

KH was the novelty of FF meets Disney

Then they...took out FF

Idiots

BlueBoy675 posted...

Remember when they reanimated the entirety of Let It Go just to have random shots of Sora and the gang going oh wow interspersed throughout?

That actually happened right? I didnt dream that?

It was explained that Disney wanted the world in the game but didn't want SDG to interact with any of the characters. Disney told them how they wanted Frozen and Toy Story's worlds to play out. KH's Toy Story is canonically an alternate universe according to Pixar, but it was also one of the better worlds since it had an original story.

Yeah, I can't remember how true this is, but the rumor is that Elsa was supposed to be the villain of that world. That's why Larxene - who has lightning powers - traps you in an ice maze and why Hans never says anything

Elsa was such a an obvious choice for an antagonist in Arendelle. She's overcome with fear and darkness and she sends icy heartless after you and eventually there's a boss or midboss fight against her and then Anna finally shows up to free her with the power of love or whatever. It would at least make sense as the first half of Arendelle. Instead we just run around the mountain while the whole plot happens offscreen. I get that they wouldn't want players to smack Elsa around, but Frozen deserved better and Elsa's fear-based magic had so much wasted potential.

I didnt like anything about the game, and didnt stick around long enough for even expert mode to release. And I didnt find out about the dlc until years later.

The gameplay was a clusterfuck. Sure the keyblade forms were numerous and creative but only added to what was already a bloated combat system. They could have just expanded on the drive system from KH2 . But I at least like that allies not only could finally take a hit but also deal decent damage. Dunno what took them so long.

Also they pretty much completely butchered Sora, Riku and king mickeys characters and Kari? lol.

Hambo posted...

Elsa was such a an obvious choice for an antagonist in Arendelle.

If they couldnt make her evil they probably could have been creative and just made a evil clone or OC based on her darkness.

SydnieStarlight posted...

KH3 definitely did some things right. The gameplay was pretty top tier, especially being able to actually use any Keyblade you wanted, everything was gorgeous, and it was by far the best the Disney worlds have ever been.

People really gloss over how fun the game is. I liked that the Pirates world was full on open world with a boating game built into it that is pretty fun. Frozen is probably the weakest world but everything else was great. Good combat, pretty worlds, and the usual antics of anime characters interacting with Disney characters. I swear people just suddenly forgot that KH games are all like this for the large part of them

The biggest problem with Kingdom Hearts is it became less and less about the Disney worlds as the series progresses and it gets more wrapped up into its original lore (which is a fucking mess).

In KH3, the Disney characters/worlds are basically irrelevant to the main story. And the Final Fantasy shit is non-existent.

AsucaHayashi posted...

can somebody summarize KH's story in a few lines?

it really sounds like such a huge clusterfuck of unequaled proportions

Not in a few lines but basically the main plot is the build up a Keyblade War between 7 Warriors of Lights and 13 Warriors of Darkness in order for the antagonist to obtain ultimate power.

The complications comes more from world building and even that is t that damn complicated most of the time people make the complaints because most all games play some part in creating the events of the story and are probably the same people that ignore how complicated human history can even be considered with how many people and events happen to get us to the point we are now.

RchHomieQuanChi posted...

The biggest problem with Kingdom Hearts is it became less and less about the Disney worlds as the series progresses and it gets more wrapped up into its original lore (which is a fucking mess).

In KH3, the Disney characters/worlds are basically irrelevant to the main story. And the Final Fantasy shit is non-existent.

Well tbf the Original characters stole a lot of the thunder and you only have X number of Disney properties anyhow. The FF characters never had that huge of a roll.

Prismsblade posted...

If they couldnt make her evil they probably could have been creative and just made a evil clone or OC based on her darkness.

Or they could've just let Hans actually play a role in the story.

Made a topic about it when I was playing it. Basically saying... Ah, too much stuff to retype.

Im playing it through now and the bad game criticisms are pretty unfair IMO.

It just feels like it needed another 1-2 months to make it great.

Attractions and Team Links are really cool. The first time. But play through the first world and youve seen them all. Comparing to 2 where you leveled up everything and earnt new things. it just feels like the game throws everything at you and so you never get a proper progression.

synthesis feels entirely pointless. KH1 and 2 youre making things as you go along. I cant even tell how Im getting new recipes but Im 4 worlds in and havent gotten the mats to make a fire bangle but can already make a Firaza Bangle. (Or whatever its called). I remember rather than earning the Ultimate Weapon like in other games its also just thrown at you.

The minigames seem cool but are almost entirely pointless to the point you dont even need to interact with them

The story and pacing are off. If you save Aqua after first two worlds, Ven after the next two, war after the next two. Then pacing is improved. Similarly the reports that you normally get throughout the game are hidden behind post game portals. And no secret boss either. I dont count the heartless boss.

ReMind on the other hand really sucks other than the Data Battles and Yozora which is clear thats where they spent their time

I cant express how disappointed I was to learn there was no Sephiroth fight this time around

^^Yeah, pretty much agree with all that.

The gameplay is fun, but being given almost your entire toolkit in the prologue section makes the rest of the game feel repetitive at times, since you're not progressively unlocking new skills and movement abilities as you get farther in the game (outside of some new Keyblade forms), like KH2 did. Nor are you incentivized to go back to previous worlds for exploration purposes after unlocking better abilities, like KH1 did.

And the mini-games and post-game content are almost nonexistent. There's not even a coliseum, and the Pooh world is butchered into just the same Candy Crush-type thing three times back to back. And then just a single filler-y Heartless superboss? Nah, bruh. (I don't even NEED it to be Sephiroth -- though it should've been -- but at least give us something.)

The game just suffers from having a lack of actual content outside of the main story, and the main story is basically just filler until the like couple hours anyway.

Yeah. They dropped the ball on pretty much everything except the gummi ship.

• Combat is either broken triangle cutscenes or brainless X-mashing. No challenge to anything.
• Disney Worlds are boring outside the first 2. Also, theres no justification to visiting them (even the characters dont know why theyre there).
• New Org XIII is a big nothing. Mostly recycled and speed-run at the end (the originals were stretched out over 2 games). The game never treats them as a threat at all.
• The returns built up over multiple games are also treated like nothing. Oh, I guess Roxas is her, moving on. Oh Xion too? Moving on. Hey Terras back moving on.
• No character dynamics to speak of. You have characters talking about betraying Xehanort but it ends up being nothing. You have characters waxing poetic when you speed-run them at the end but its so brief it feels like an afterthought. The closest you get to a real bit of intrigue is Xigbar not being Xigbar but thats just a post-credits stinger and its to set up the story of the shitty gacha game nobody who values their time or money plays.
• No colosseum.
• No FF characters. This is relatively small, but some people got into the series originally because of the FF/Disney crossover aspect, so it seems worth mentioning. The lack of a Sephiroth boss-fight is especially egregious.

Note that I didnt buy the DLC, but it shouldnt take DLC to make your game worthwhile.

KH3 has the only Gummi ship stuff that is actually fun and not an unbearable slog. Gets no credit for that crap actually being GOOD

The gummi ship was definitely more fun than in the other two games. I loved being able to fly around freely in 3d space and gather parts other than combat and route rewards. That was neat. And the remnants of the heartless ship from kh2 in that one area was a cute touch.

The story was not only unnessarily convoluted, but stupid as well. With that said, the gameplay got considerably better from patch update. Now there is an actual reason to do air combos.

Prestoff posted...

The story was not only unnessarily convoluted, but stupid as well. With that said, the gameplay got considerably better from patch update. Now there is an actual reason to do air combos.

Really isnt convoluted if you play the previous entries.

I will say Im glad they added the option to turn off attractions

I wouldn't have minded attractions as much if we had any reason for them being there. Keyblade transformations are expanded from BBS and implied to just kinda be a thing keyblades can do. Summons already existed and we're supposed to be like calling on friends through connections in your heart or whatever the fuck. Shotlocks are just spells in another shape or thematically appropriate moves for each Keyblade. But where the fuck are all these theme park rides coming from? Just give us like one throwaway line about Sora realizing a new power from the sleeping realm or the power of his imagination or something.

Baha05 posted...

Really isnt convoluted if you play the previous entries.

It's convoluted either way, it's just less confusing if you've played the previous entries.

And even then, the story's just not well-told in general. Half the stuff that happens at the end requires you to read the Ultimania guide to figure out why it even happened.

Baha05 posted...

Really isnt convoluted if you play the previous entries.

I played previous entries and it is unnecessarily convoluted, it's just Nomura adding in dumb plot points like time travel. Its also terrible told and dumb. It's even arguably more convoluted than the Metal Gear series. There's a lot more wrong with KH3, but I will have to go back to playing it. It is a very pretty game though.

Then you guys either do t pay attention or dont understand how story telling can work. Its not that hard to understand.

I understand it fine, but that doesn't mean it's not convoluted or well-told. KH3 is just a prime example of how not to write a story.

Rharyx211 posted...

I understand it fine, but that doesn't mean it's not convoluted or well-told. KH3 is just a prime example of how not to write a story.

Then its not convoluted if you understand it. Because thats kind of the point when something is convoluted is its too overly complicated. Which that only ends up being the case if you went into the conclusion of a series story arc without playing the games before it.

AceMos posted...

no it would be like if in the MCU after endgame the post credit scene reaveled a character only in the ironman wii game was revealed to be the true mastermind

I mean Xigbar is in almost every game from 2 onwards and he's always acting odd, so that doesn't fit as well for that reveal....though yeah for the MoM reveal......yeah. Or well I guess nowadays it'd be like the main villain being revealed in a D+ show.......which is what happened anyway

mehmeh1 posted...

I mean Xigbar is in almost every game from 2 onwards and he's always acting odd, so that doesn't fit as well for that reveal....though yeah for the MoM reveal......yeah. Or well I guess nowadays it'd be like the main villain being revealed in a D+ show.......which is what happened anyway

And really the reveal is almost perfect if it wasnt for that line in Hercs world that already kinda makes Xigbar far more suspicious then he was

Baha05 posted...

Then you guys either do t pay attention or dont understand how story telling can work. Its not that hard to understand.

You are really hooked on the semantics of the word "convoluted". If I said the story was unnecessarily complicated and dumb, would that be better?

Prestoff posted...

You are really hooked on the semantics of the word "convoluted". If I said the story was unnecessarily complicated and dumb, would that be better?

Less the semantics and more the definition. Which again doesnt really apply to a game that is part of a long running series anyhow because the only means of it being complicated comes from people not playing the past entries and expecting things to be spelled out which is more of a dumb means of storytelling.

I remember trying to avoid spoilers, then at one point said 'fuck the story' and caught a stream of the ending

I felt some kind of way initially, but in the end Im glad I skipped KH3

Baha05 posted...

Then its not convoluted if you understand it.

That's not how that works.

I've played all the games since middle school, and I "understand" the story, but that doesn't mean it's always told in a way that's super easy to follow. Especially when it has the habit of backtracking and/or rewriting bits of its own lore to accommodate new story beats, and including important information in supplementary guidebooks and interviews.

Baha05 posted...

Less the semantics and more the definition. Which again doesnt really apply to a game that is part of a long running series anyhow because the only means of it being complicated comes from people not playing the past entries and expecting things to be spelled out which is more of a dumb means of storytelling.

Even the past previous games (besides the first one) had unnecessarily complicated and dumb stories as well. It says a lot when the dialogue told by the original KH characters consist of expositions. This has been a complaint many people had about the series over the years, and remind you CE is very much a JRPG place and that has been th consistent consensus about the series for awhile now.