Current Events > Ice Hockey Death: Manslaughter Arrest

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Breaking news via the BBC. Man arrested on suspicion of manslaughter.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-nottinghamshire-67419951

Confused about man. Didnt they always know whose skates cut the player?

And people were saying this wouldn't happen

AsucaHayashi posted...

Confused about man. Didnt they always know whose skates cut the player?

Yes.

Unless there are exceptional circumstances (public safety issues), the British police don't name suspects until they are charged.

Zikten posted...

And people were saying this wouldn't happen

CE is ridiculously wrong like all the time.

Not sure how I feel about this.

It did seem like he swung his leg out unnecessarily but I don't know enough about hockey to know if how he fell was normal or not.

Is is a British rule that they don't name him or did they charge someone else besides Matt Petgrave?

Simon_Gruber posted...

Is is a British rule that they don't name him or did they charge someone else besides Matt Petgrave?

As a rule, British police don't name suspects until they are formally charged with a crime.

Exceptions for suspected murderers on the loose etc.

dummy420 posted...

It did seem like he swung his leg out unnecessarily but I don't know enough about hockey to know if how he fell was normal or not.

It was a dangerous hit that he put out, but to suggest it was worthy of a manslaughter charge? No, it was a hockey play that went bad.

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A dirty attempt at tripping someone while wearing blades on your feet is something that seems like it deserves a manslaughter charge.

Jeff_AKA_Snoopy posted...

It was a dangerous hit that he put out, but to suggest it was worthy of a manslaughter charge? No, it was a hockey play that went bad.

it wasnt a hit. And even if it was a dangerous hit thats exactly the thing that should be targeted to deter. Hockeys a physical sport by nature, we dont need people trying to end others careers to still have entertaining hits and fights.

A_Good_Boy posted...

A dirty attempt at tripping someone while wearing blades on your feet is something that seems like it deserves a manslaughter charge.

and this. Glad to see the charge, I was very vocal about this kick being stupid and intentional. He didnt mean to kill a guy but regardless this doesnt belong in hockey and this isnt how a body reacts to a hit on that fashion.

his carelessness resulted in a death and I hope they get the conviction on it.

Sounds right to me. I don't think the guy intended to kill but he was making an egregiously dirty play no matter the case.

I feel like this is a horrible precedent to set, right?

MatzoTov posted...

I feel like this is a horrible precedent to set, right?

What would be the negative effects?

MatzoTov posted...

I feel like this is a horrible precedent to set, right?

This kind of logic was used by the people who didn't want American football players to have better helmets and actually undergo proper concussion protocol.

i Just read this and it sounds messed up.

ReiRei89 posted...

This kind of logic was used by the people who didn't want American football players to have better helmets and actually undergo proper concussion protocol.

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I'm talking bigger picture. Pursuing charges against things less than death.

Say a dirty back check knocks a guy into the boards and he ends up paralyzed, or a batter gets smoked in the head with a fastball causing a significant loss in brain function or something awful like that. Would the victim be able to sue the checker?

I'm fully in favor of better helmets and neck guards and all the details here. But if people want to start suing for bad sports plays, dirty or accidental, does this not open those doors? (Or are they open already and nobody's bothered to actually go that route? I don't actually know).

Dirty plays should not be tolerated. For exactly what happened here.

MatzoTov posted...

I'm talking bigger picture. Pursuing charges against things less than death.

Say a dirty back check knocks a guy into the boards and he ends up paralyzed, or a batter gets smoked in the head with a fastball causing a significant loss in brain function or something awful like that. Would the victim be able to sue the checker?

I'm fully in favor of better helmets and neck guards and all the details here. But if people want to start suing for bad sports plays, dirty or accidental, does this not open those doors? (Or are they open already and nobody's bothered to actually go that route? I don't actually know).

Fuck that! I don't care if it's a game. You hurt someone seriously then you get punished by the government.

MatzoTov posted...

Say a dirty back check knocks a guy into the boards and he ends up paralyzed, or a batter gets smoked in the head with a fastball causing a significant loss in brain function or something awful like that. Would the victim be able to sue the checker?

If someone is blatantly performing an action in a sport that runs afoul of that sport's rules and regulations because that action is inherently dangerous and harmful to the life and health of an individual playing that sport, then they should be charged for whatever harm results from their recklessness. Someone getting checked into the boards wouldn't fall into that, since checking is a normal part of the game and isn't in and of itself a rules violation. Kicking someone with your skates is though.

MatzoTov posted...

I'm talking bigger picture. Pursuing charges against things less than death.

Where, precisely, is the "less than death" in this case?

Because Adam Johnson is dead.

MatzoTov posted...

I'm talking bigger picture. Pursuing charges against things less than death.

Say a dirty back check knocks a guy into the boards and he ends up paralyzed, or a batter gets smoked in the head with a fastball causing a significant loss in brain function or something awful like that. Would the victim be able to sue the checker?

I'm fully in favor of better helmets and neck guards and all the details here. But if people want to start suing for bad sports plays, dirty or accidental, does this not open those doors? (Or are they open already and nobody's bothered to actually go that route? I don't actually know).

You're argument is that they shouldn't prosecute an action that results in death because it may lead to the prosecution of actions that lead to severe injury?

Really?

TonyKojima posted...

Not sure how I feel about this.

MatzoTov posted...

I feel like this is a horrible precedent to set, right?

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Zikten posted...

And people were saying this wouldn't happen

A_Good_Boy posted...

CE is ridiculously wrong like all the time.

Fucking Error was downplaying the whole thing.

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For sure he wasn't thinking it was going to end a man's life.

Jeff_AKA_Snoopy posted...

It was a dangerous hit that he put out, but to suggest it was worthy of a manslaughter charge? No, it was a hockey play that went bad.

It definitely went bad and noone goes for that outcome but if he was flailing his leg out like that on purpose then this is an unfortunate and unlikely outcome. I think whatever comes from the court whether it's nothing or some charges I'd be ok with. I don't think the dude should be made an example of.

The best outcome is neckguards for players.

ai123 posted...

What would be the negative effects?

Any hit or play that injures a player now means jail time?

If this idiocy was in effect in the NHL about 45 players would be behind bars in the last month.

Literally a "how to kill Hockey in one fell swoop".

Sandalorn posted...

Any hit or play that injures a player now means jail time?

If this idiocy was in effect in the NHL about 45 players would be behind bars in the last month.

Literally a "how to kill Hockey in one fell swoop".

I feel like "don't kick people with your skates" is an incredibly low standard. If this arrest and subsequent investigation result in nothing more than suppressing any skaters nascent desire to kick someone's throat then that's just a burden I'm more than happy to bear.

Sandalorn posted...

Any hit or play that injures a player now means jail time?

If this idiocy was in effect in the NHL about 45 players would be behind bars in the last month.

Literally a "how to kill Hockey in one fell swoop".

They decided to make an arrest after an investigation into the circumstances of this particular incident.

Dozens of professional sportspeople get injured every week, and no one goes to jail. Hundreds of hits, tackles, and head-high bouncers (cricket), that don't lead to prosecutions. There is no slippery slope.

If the police/prosecutors determine that there are legal grounds for a charge of manslaughter, should they let it slide for the sake of ice hockey?

Eab1990 posted...

Fucking Error was downplaying the whole thing.

Oh, @Error1355 Pretty sure youd like to give your side of the story since youre getting called out by Eab here.

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Did you just accuse me of being against Gay Marriage? Fuck off.

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Fuck off. You don't get to say sorry after calling me a bigot over a fucking Hockey comment. Eat shit.

Sandalorn posted...

Fuck off. You don't get to say sorry after calling me a bigot over a fucking Hockey comment. Eat shit.

Damn lol

Sandalorn posted...

Any hit or play that injures a player now means jail time?

If this idiocy was in effect in the NHL about 45 players would be behind bars in the last month.

Literally a "how to kill Hockey in one fell swoop".

lets compare Scott Stevenson hits to any other player in the league and then talk.

As a hockey player myself Im not scared of it killing my sport so not sure why you are.

So I actually completely missed this accident. I didn't hear about it. When I first saw this thread, I thought "oh, please" this has happened in the NHL before, but luckily Zednik did not die when his neck was slashed by his teammate's skate and Malarchuk miraculously survived. It was probably some freak accident that is unbelivably unfortunate but no one should be arrested.

I hunted down the video and watched it like 50 times now (there's no blood so its not hard to watch). I have absolutely no idea what Matt Petgrave was trying to do on that play. I was thinking because he contacted one of Johnson's teammates right before he struck Johnson that MAYBE Johnson's teammate dragged Petgrave down which caused his skate to kick up at the wrong time which would still be incredibly dangerous because hockey players know to never do that. Kinda similar to how Zednik's throat was slashed.

I can't find any evidence in the one angle that seems to exist that such a thing happened. Petgrave legit just kicked his leg up for seemingly no reason. I'm sure the PD have additional angles since it was on television and the only angle that was released was obviously the live box cam footage. I think the guy deserved to be arrested.

If you have swords strapped to your feet and you go and kick someone, then fuck you, rot in jail. I'm really not sure why this is even a debatable topic.

Also, I'm surprised more people don't have Duran tagged appropriately by now.

SF_Okami posted...

Petgrave legit just kicked his leg up for seemingly no reason.

He has a history of foul plays, but pointing this out gets you branded a racist.

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