Current Events > Do you think the US is more or less critical of Israel behind closed doors?

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Defiantly more. People are afraid to criticize Israel's actions in public.

I don't believe it matters. Public officials do not get credit for their private sentiments

Antifar posted...

I don't believe it matters. Public officials do not get credit for their private sentiments

Depends.

If it's just chats between US officials that don't lead to any action or pressure on Israel, then I gotta agree with you. On the other hand, if they're privately communicating with Israeli officials and putting on more pressure than we're publicly aware of, that's a different matter and does deserve some credit. Would still be far better if they did it publicly though.

I think the only thing most politicians care about are the donations they get. A lot of which comes from pro Israel groups and the weapons industry.

Being in private doesn't change that the US wants a proxy state in the middle east

Antifar posted...

I don't believe it matters. Public officials do not get credit for their private sentiments

I don't think the important part is credit, the damaging part is that it's going to hurt what the Arab world thinks of the US if they don't change their tune soon.

a-c-a-b posted...

I think the only thing most politicians care about are the donations they get. A lot of which comes from pro Israel groups and the weapons industry.

As has already been said, Israel has strong geopolitical value, it's not just about campaign dollars.

GeraldDarko posted...

I don't think the important part is credit, the damaging part is that it's going to hurt what the Arab world thinks of the US if they don't change their tune soon.

In fairness, the Arab world hardly has a great opinion of the US in the first place.

Not being able to put public pressure on Israel pretty much shows the entire world that the USA is a biased actor that can't be trusted to act in a fair manner. Putting public pressure on a country is like, the bare minimum you do when they do something wrong, so acting like it is a line that can't be crossed pretty much demonstrates a nation's commitment to support that nation no matter what it does.

I mean, looking at it another way, our nation is constantly being publicly critical of Ukraine, who are currently in an actual war for survival against a hostile nation that wants to commit genocide on them. If we can criticize them, we should be able to criticize any fucking nation.

CoyoteTheGreat posted...

Not being able to put public pressure on Israel pretty much shows the entire world that the USA is a biased actor that can't be trusted to act in a fair manner. Putting public pressure on a country is like, the bare minimum you do when they do something wrong, so acting like it is a line that can't be crossed pretty much demonstrates a nation's commitment to support that nation no matter what it does.

I mean, looking at it another way, our nation is constantly being publicly critical of Ukraine, who are currently in an actual war for survival against a hostile nation that wants to commit genocide on them. If we can criticize them, we should be able to criticize any fucking nation.

That's because it's about geopolitics and foreign policy, not morality or what's right. Right is a hard thing to find in this conflict, though.

Of course they are.

But coming out in public and being that critical when there are 240 hostages being held by terrorists would make them as ignorant as everyone else who forgot about them.

FlyEaglesFly24 posted...

Of course they are.

But coming out in public and being that critical when there are 240 hostages being held by terrorists would make them as ignorant as everyone else who forgot about them.

How many of those hostages do you think haven't yet died from either the conditions they're kept in or Israeli bombing?

GeraldDarko posted...

That's because it's about geopolitics and foreign policy, not morality or what's right. Right is a hard thing to find in this conflict, though.

It isn't about that at all though. There is no geopolitical advantage to going to the UN and voting against every single other nation except the one perpetrating genocide, in defense of genocide.

Its about domestic policy. Specifically, its about appeasing crazy evangelicals and other religious zealots and supporting their worldview regarding what Israel is.

Trumble posted...

How many of those hostages do you think haven't yet died from either the conditions they're kept in or Israeli bombing?

Im not going to speculate on that, but they are Hamas only leverage at the moment. Imagine what happens if we find out they are all dead.

Trumble posted...

How many of those hostages do you think haven't yet died from either the conditions they're kept in or Israeli bombing?

Given how the IDF is bombing every location that might have Hamas agents in it the chances are very high that the hostages are already dead.

creativerealms posted...

Given how the IDF is bombing every location that might have Hamas agents in it the chances are very high the hostages are already dead.

Yeah, and if the bombs haven't got them, I don't suspect keeping Israeli hostages alive (rather than merely not letting it be confirmed they're dead) is an overly high priority for Hamas.

No, if anything its the opposite, idk how much support Israel has in our upper tier government but they have their full and unconditional support it seems.

Oh, definitely more critical.