Current Events > Jewish man dies after confrontation with pro-Palestinian protester in California

(+) Yeah! (+)

You're attempting to downplay and justify an obvious hate crime.

The act was intentional, but the result was not. And what elements of this would make it a hate crime?

If it's so obviously a hate crime, why can't you explain what makes it a hate crime? It should be easy.

You are seriously defending some piece of shit that killed an elderly man? You need to take a look in the mirror and ask yourself why you are like this. Fucking disgusting.

It is. In fact, it's so easy that I'm going to let you figure it out on your own.

So he went to the Pro-Palestine side and started to wave an Israel flag?
Fuck you, go Israel!
Palestine got a right to live!
Israel got a right to defend themself!
So do I! *hits him with megaphone*

*disclaimer; there is a chance that one or both screamed that the other side deserved to die.

In what sense?

You're defending violence against protesters, at the very least.

Defending hate crimes and victim blaming at the worst.

Still trying to think of something?

I've known since the start. It's concerning that you can't figure it out.

Governments are twisting themselves into pretzels to avoid having to bring hate crime charges over this issue. To the point where you have whole marches shouting "from the river to the sea" , a well documented and well-known call for the complete eradication of israel, and police are just standing there going "well they say it means they want everyone to live well."

It's like a couple years ago when cair and a few other organizations tried to rebrand jihad as a word that means "personal struggle."

This is incredibly juvenile.

You're welcome to have your own personal opinion.

The posters ITT repeatedly calling it those things are bad faith actors.

I don't think Gob has an ounce of gold faith in his body

Yall really speedrunning the word terrorist into worthlessness. The old man died because he aggrevated a bunch of protestors big mad because of the images of blown up kids online. One of them assaulted him, he fell over, hit his head, and died. It fucked up, but it definitely was not an intentional killing, hence the manslaughter charge and no hate crime.

Lmfao

If you attack something with the explicit intent to cause them harm and they die, that is murder. Manslaughter is when you strike someone unintentionally, or are directly responsible for someone's death without any intent to cause them harm

You're correct, but it has more to do with premeditation.

Voluntary manslaughter can involve intent to harm or injured but without premeditation.

Nope, 1st degree is the only kind of murder that requires premeditation and intent to kill (premeditation can be as short as 1 minute such as someone taking the time to walk back to their car to grab a weapon so that they can kill someone). 2nd degree murder and voluntary manslaughter does not require premeditation nor does it require any intent to actually kill the victim. All they require is an intent to cause unlawful harm and the victim dying as a direct result.

The main differences between 2nd degree and voluntary manslaughter are whether the defendant was provoked into violent action by the victim and whether there was an opportunity for the defendant to calm himself after the provocation before killing the victim. If the provocation is considered inadequate by the courts (fighting words alone generally don't count as an adequate provocation; only infidelity discovered in the act, mutual combat, and extreme assault/battery by the victim have generally been universally upheld as mitigating factors against a murder charge) or if there was sufficient opportunity for the defendant to calm down between the provocation and the homicide, it automatically remains as a murder 2 charge.

So someone went to a pro Palestine rally waving an Israel flag? Why?

Was it a sustained attack with intent to kill, or one blow struck against someone who was behaving in an extremely provocative manner with intent to cause offence?

I don't know the answer to those questions, so I will avoid inflammatory language pending further information.

Doesnt matter, literally assault. This is America, ppl have the right to free speech. If he disagreed with them and waved a flag, thats his right. Its disgusting how free speech has devolved into right to free speech but only if it agrees with me

Doesnt matter, literally assault. This is America, ppl have the right to free speech. If he disagreed with them and waved a flag, thats his right. Its disgusting how free speech has devolved into right to free speech but only if it agrees with me

whole story, etc.

If you hit somebody in the head with a weapon, that sure feels like intent to kill.

Maybe you should read the law before you shitpost about it.