Current Events > I have this theory why tons of DBZ fans think Cell Saga is the best. SPOILERS

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I mean, the only fight Chad ever actually outright lost in the series was against Kyoraku, and he went into that one woefully outmatched to begin with, but sure.

Bro, breaking limits and bringing up new powers is part of the DB bloodline. And you picked the Buu Saga to start hating it? Says alot, man.

Not that this is a problem unique to the Buu saga, but it definitely felt much more pronounced there.

I'll give you the benefit of the doubt that you were typing this before my edit went through

Dragon Ball, especially in Z, has always had a problem of everybody not named "Goku" existing just to get their ass kicked and hype up the bad guys. Sure, Piccolo and Vegeta managed to break that trend for a while, but it eventually caught up to them that they're not the main character and should only really job.

And, yes, every other saga in Z (and even Super) had a problem with characters training or powering up and the only benefit to that being that they don't get immediately killed or manage to hold off the villain(s) long enough for Goku to show up. Aside from Gohan at the end of the Cell saga, none of them really score any meaningful wins.

Vegeta goes on a pretty good winning streak on Namek for a while, but that comes to a VERY abrupt end once the Ginyus show up and Goku lands.

Chad vs Nnoitra. Your initial argument is some DBZ characters become useless but the simple fact is you'll make exceptions to other shows.

Gohan was the ultimate build up. Time after time we saw glimpses of his latent ability, but he always lacked the training and resolve to use it effectively. He squared up with some of the universe's toughest foes with some wins and some losses.

Western Audiences love a good underdog story. Most of our best selling movies incorporate it. Gohan was the underdog throughout the entire series. He was given more and more agency until, for the latter half of the Cell Saga, he was the definitive main character. The torch was lit and passed on.

That's what made it so good

LMAo the underdog thing isn't exclusive to Gohan. This is also a huge thing they regularly do with the series. Why you guys think this is exclusive to Gohan proves my theory even more.

I imagine you hate DBS like crazy then.

Again, this isn't exclusive to DB. This is literally a Shonen thing where MC's friends become jobbers and the MC will have to come save the day. Do you need an example for this as well?

Okay, I'll admit I forgot about this one because it was so quick. Not even sure it counts as a "fight" lol

But regardless, Ichigo also lost to Nnoitra, does that mean he was useless? (Should also establish that the power scaling was honestly over the place during the Hueco Mundo arc to begin with)

What even is your point? What are you saying?

LMAo the underdog thing isn't exclusive to Gohan. This is also a huge thing they regularly do with the series. Why you guys think this is exclusive to Gohan proves my theory even more.

I apologize, I thought you were saying the Cell Saga was so good because it was such a good underdog story when literally almost all the other arcs are underdog stories.

Id rather Cell stay dead instead of trying to cling to relevance like Frieza.

My post said that Gohan was the ultimate underdog across the entire series.

You think so? I disagree. Goku is. Always have been. I think people who would think Gohan is the ultimate underdog of the whole series is just a Cell Saga lover.

And Cell sounds like Plankton. But you guys are able to tolerate it since its your introduction to the series.

Starting a fight against the big bad with a disadvantage isn't purely what makes a character the underdog. The underdog is written off from the start. Goku comes in and slaps Nappa after the rest of the gang is on its last leg. Goku comes in and slaps Recoome after the rest of the gang is on its last leg. Goku is always the last hope, the trump card. We always expect him to punch down the grunts, we don't always expect that from Gohan, Krillin, or Tien.

Yes, Vegeta, Ginyu, and Frieza give him the business and he has to tap into new powers to size up to them, but overcoming adversity =/= underdog. The underdog is the person you don't expect to win coming in with a turnaround victory.

Gohan's hidden powers was foreshadowed at the very start of the Saiyan Saga. You know he was gonna overcome anything when pushed to the limit and that's essentially how all arcs unfolds.

Gohan's hidden powers was foreshadowed at the very start of the Saiyan Saga. You know he was gonna overcome anything when pushed to the limit and that's essentially how all arcs unfolds so I'm unsure where you would ever get the idea that you didn't expect Gohan to win.

Did you expect him to beat Nappa?
Did you expect him to beat Vegeta?
Did you expect him to beat Recoome?
Did you expect him to beat Ginyu?
Did you expect him to beat Frieza?
Did you expect him to beat the Androids?
Did you expect him to beat Cell?

Now ask yourself the same questions but with Goku.

Gohan was built up all through Z, came into his own versus Cell, and then Toriyama backed off on all of that and just went back to The Goku Show.

SSJ2 was the last impactful transformation. Seeing the lightning sparks on gohan for the first time was special

I'm convinced more than ever people are so stuck with Cell Saga because it's what they started with and this expected the rest of the show to follow with.

You're reaching some Scotty levels of stubborn here, just Saiyan

Ya know, people who started DB before the Cell Saga would say Goku's first transformation was the most impactful.

It's because SS2 Gohan is the greatest thing ever.

Artistically I prefer ss 1 gohan

The hair, man. It's just so cool. Also, the rage and cocky attitude change was just great. Really felt like something not seen since Goku first transformed on Namek. A new power that we weren't sure the user could control.

I liked the Cell Saga most, but I was introduced by the Saiyan Saga.

To me it was an evolution to what was before it. DBZ is a show "with a lot of risk" shown, but the Dragon Balls always made the issues seem trivial. Cell made those threats just as real as King Piccolo. It was dark, but wasn't JUST dark. It would have been a very fitting end for the series.

Buu was trash because it dragged and dragged. It literally became "Goku & Friends" at this point. In every previous arc/saga, other characters got to do SOMETHING awesome without it being a copy of Goku. Buu Saga was a whole bunch of Goku pulling new shit out of his ass with no training segments, just a bunch of "Oh I learned this while I was dead".

DB has always been light-hearted. The Cell Saga was actually a very big turn and departure from what the show normally is and unfortunately most Western fans were introduced to the show with this arc so it's what they know and it's what they like. Thots?

What?

Sayian Arc up to Cell Saga was darker in tone and atmosphere. That's what most localizations market Dragon Ball across the west like to use. It didn't really have many jokes,gags like the OG arcs of Dragonball. When there were jokes in Cell, and Freiza arcs they were mostly filler. Most OG Dragonball villains are lighthearted except Piccolo, and General Tao.

So Buu differs from Cell and Frieza both in personality and atomsphere.

Cell really was the logical ending to the entire franchise.

wouldn't it be fair to say that every other saga was what DB is supposed to be and Cell Saga didn't have enough?

Yea.. it's coming off like you have a theory, aren't getting the results you want, and ate trying to explain why you're right when your theory is wrong.

You're also using blanket terms like

But.. that's not true. DBZ was the split as a whole. Once Raditz showed up things changed.

You really think Goku sacrificing himself in front if his 4 year old son wasn't darker than Goku dying of heart disease?

There were several logical ending points, really.

End of the 23rd Budokai - Goku finally wins a Budokai, which had honestly been one of his few life goals aside from just the never-ending I wanna get stronger goal. In the process, he fulfilled a prophecy of saving the world and fell ass backwards into landing a girl. It would have been an all around happy ending, too.

Namek blows up - Goku saves the galaxy from an intergalactic tyrant, showing himself to be the strongest in the (known) cosmos and proving that he is actually even a warrior of fabled legend. He dies saving everyone, and his legacy continued merely through memories and stories.

Gohan defeats Cell - Earths most legendary warrior of all time dies in battle, but his son steps up to take the mantle, and shows himself to be much stronger than anyone else. And he accomplishes this as a child.

The Buu Saga ending is fine, but it simply isnt as logical as the other spots, IMO.

Disagree. Freeza Saga had the Ginyu Force.

Yeah, and then Piccolo takes Gohan and throws him into the wild and then Gohan becomes a capable survival wild boy. I'm sure you thought that was real grim but to me that shit was comedic.

And? Guldo tried killed a child and Recoome damn near killed a child and had a blast doing so. And THEN, Ginyu took the body of said child's father and tried to kill him with it.