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MacArrowny
11/21/23 9:43:43 AM
#301:


I think Kill Bill's music is all licensed, so I'd guess this is just them licensing a song KB used before.

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UshiromiyaEva
11/21/23 10:06:06 AM
#302:


Yeah but sometimes a song just becomes completely inseperable from what caused it to enter popular culture.


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Maniac64
11/21/23 1:38:13 PM
#303:


UshiromiyaEva posted...
This is a very specific niche lol.

So far the only Manwha that's gotten an anime I've liked has been Tower of God, and that's still the biggest one, right?

Noblesse and God of High School were total busts for me.

Never going to get a Ring my Bell anime :/
Niche and yet there are dozens of them.

I read GoHS but only really enjoyed the first arc when it was about a martial arts tournament. Haven't tried Tower of God or Noblesse yet.

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UshiromiyaEva
11/21/23 4:41:43 PM
#304:


God this is disgusting.

https://twitter.com/TEZUKA_ENG/status/1726965287726330310?s=19

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Mobilezoid
11/21/23 4:44:48 PM
#305:


Ugh, the way AI is slowly replacing humans in the creative world always makes me sad.

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UshiromiyaEva
11/21/23 5:26:58 PM
#306:


https://twitter.com/cjAus101723/status/1726991969468223794?s=19

God please be real, Science Saru is a fantastic match for Dandadan.

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UshiromiyaEva
11/21/23 7:36:25 PM
#307:


Man I should probably get back into JJK.

I hated it so much when I dropped it, but it sounds like it got good again after over a year of dog shit literally the next chapter.

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Strife2
11/21/23 9:59:15 PM
#308:


Tried a show called Dragon Goes House-Hunting. The dragon is a bit insufferable at times, but the comedy, character banter, meta jokes, and monsters all feel weirdly charming. I think I'll stick with this.

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pyresword
11/21/23 10:25:12 PM
#309:


Apothecary Diaries seems solid after 2 episodes. Not completely sold on the show as a whole yet but it's been good enough and the main character is fantastic.

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UshiromiyaEva
11/21/23 10:35:49 PM
#310:


It's quite excellent, and it only gets better. There's like 50+ episodes worth of content in the manga though so...who knows how long they'll keep it up.

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Robazoid
11/22/23 2:26:32 AM
#311:


I thought 100 Girlfriends had my own personal "worst of the season" award locked up, but I'm in Love with the Villainess is giving it some unexpectedly strong competition after episode 8...

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CoolCly
11/22/23 3:55:56 AM
#312:


KamikazePotato posted...
Yup, this is true. Bakarina / All Routes Lead to Doom is still a really fun story though.

Honestly, the male version of the fantasy isekai template barely exists too. They're largely just based on Dragon Quest III with little variation.

What exactly do you mean by this? The "Hero" is super common, there's been a thousand Himmels in both games and anime/manga

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CoolCly
11/22/23 3:57:44 AM
#313:


Re: Solo Leveling. I think it's going to be mega popular. The first few episodes will be like Gantz, which will get people hooked, and then it will turn into Bleach, where it's super stylish with hype fight scenes and epic moments with very little substance underneath. The supporting cast is lacking compared to Bleach, but I think it'll still hit the right notes.

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UshiromiyaEva
11/22/23 7:51:15 AM
#314:


Robazoid posted...
I thought 100 Girlfriends had my own personal "worst of the season" award locked up, but I'm in Love with the Villainess is giving it some unexpectedly strong competition after episode 8...

Some of the season's most popular anime!

This stuff was all good in the Villainess manga, can't imagine it's much different here though I'm not watching.

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Mobilezoid
11/22/23 8:03:01 AM
#315:


UshiromiyaEva posted...
This stuff was all good in the Villainess manga, can't imagine it's much different here though I'm not watching.
I'm just not a fan of how it's sympathetically equating homosexuality with incest. That both are merely "forbidden love". The Crunchyroll comments for the episode were full of arguments where people were saying it's wrong to be against incest, plus people on the anime board are arguing the same. Supporting LGBTQ+ rights leading to the normalizing incest is literally a slippery slope argument that I've seen bigots use. Now apparently I'm the bigot for being against incest... ugh.

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UshiromiyaEva
11/22/23 8:09:52 AM
#316:


Ohhhhhhh right that part.

Honestly it slid right off me on the manga lol. The series is so LGBT friendly that I've always just attributed it to just being read into so much. It's definitely a big bomb if you're not expecting it though.


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Mobilezoid
11/22/23 8:42:31 AM
#317:


UshiromiyaEva posted...
The series is so LGBT friendly
That's my problem, though. By seriously embracing this incest plot development and treating it and homosexuality as the same thing, both worthy of the same sympathy and support, I'd argue that the series is incredibly unfriendly to LGBTQ+ rights.

It would be like if they seriously argued that two women being in love is equal to pedophilia or something. Those aren't the same thing! Incest, especially brother/sister blood-related grew up together incest, is objectively wrong. By equating it to homosexuality, to me, the show is saying that being gay is therefore also objectively wrong. I'm honestly disgusted by the implication that the two ideas are even remotely comparable.

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MacArrowny
11/22/23 8:54:48 AM
#318:


Mobilezoid posted...
Incest, especially brother/sister blood-related grew up together incest
What makes brother/sister incest worse than parent/child incest?

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Mobilezoid
11/22/23 8:59:28 AM
#319:


MacArrowny posted...
What makes brother/sister incest worse than parent/child incest?
Well obviously that would be equally as bad or worse. I just wanted to get ahead of any loopholes like cases in fiction where stepsiblings get together or something like Oedipus where he didn't realize until after that they were related (and even he at least had the decency to be so disgusted that he blinded himself). The case in the Villainess anime is no excuses, full-blown incest. That's what I meant.

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UshiromiyaEva
11/22/23 9:19:52 AM
#320:


I'm just going to say this because this is a broader argument that usually causes me to get pretty heated, and I'm not doing that here since I know you're genuine and not the type of person I usually see trying to argue this (14 year old antis).

A character saying something in a piece of media doesn't mean the author agrees, even if the character in question is meant to sympathetic. They're a character who, if the writer is remotely competant, is going to be thoughts and values of their own.

Saying that the character saying those things are in anyway equivilant means the author agrees with that statement is a bit of a hack take.

It's understandable how someone could reach that conclusion though since there are a lot of hack writers, which is why in a case like this I'm not really gonna jump on anyone who gets blindsided by it.

Especially when we live in a world where over a 1 day period the entire Kpop Fandom makes a joint statement like "anyone who consumes any Japanese media is a pedophile", like happened, uh, yesterday.

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Sceptilesolar
11/22/23 9:30:06 AM
#321:


I think that's good to keep in mind, but this is also the series where Rei talks about gay people and her feeling like she has to be comical to be accepted, and I think most people gave credit to the author there for making a good point. But it strikes me as overly convenient if anything you agree with is the true opinion of the author and anything sketchy is purely character voice.

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Mobilezoid
11/22/23 9:31:24 AM
#322:


This isn't something like The Sopranos where we're supposed to recognize and examine the hypocrisies of flawed characters. The message in the Villainess anime was pretty blatant and presented sympathetically.

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MacArrowny
11/22/23 9:32:48 AM
#323:


Mobilezoid posted...
This isn't something like The Sopranos where we're supposed to recognize and examine the hypocrisies of flawed characters. The message in the Villainess anime was pretty blatant and presented sympathetically.
The people giving that message are criminals who hurt innocent people and plan to hurt more.

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SHINE_GET_64
11/22/23 9:34:06 AM
#324:


Oh hey I got home and the final Berserk was on my door step the collection is now complete

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Mobilezoid
11/22/23 9:37:09 AM
#325:


MacArrowny posted...
The people giving that message are criminals who hurt innocent people and plan to hurt more.
Rei wasnt a criminal and she was clearly sympathetic

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UshiromiyaEva
11/22/23 9:41:28 AM
#326:


Sceptilesolar posted...
I think that's good to keep in mind, but this is also the series where Rei talks about gay people and her feeling like she has to be comical to be accepted, and I think most people gave credit to the author there for making a good point. But it strikes me as overly convenient if anything you agree with is the true opinion of the author and anything sketchy is purely character voice.

No, you're right, there's no reason to blindly assume that what Rei says is how the author feels as well. It's more supported by the actual content of my the series than the idea that they support the current topic of discussion, but that's still an assumption.

Note that I haven't read any interviews from the author, that's where the meat of this discussion would lie be I assume. However I'm fairly certain they haven't come out in favor of incest, lol.

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UshiromiyaEva
11/22/23 9:43:13 AM
#327:


Mobilezoid posted...
Rei wasnt a criminal and she was clearly sympathetic

If my close friend tried to murder somebody out of desperation, I would probably at least try to be sympathetic regardless of the reason.

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Mobilezoid
11/22/23 10:09:23 AM
#328:


I would argue that 'Death of the Author' would come into play here too. It almost doesn't matter what the author intended or personally believes. I interpreted this message from their work, and I know I wasn't the only one because there's a guy on the anime board calling me a bigot for not wholeheartedly supporting incest.

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MacArrowny
11/22/23 10:14:53 AM
#329:


Why are you even watching this, anyway? Don't you hate all yuri anime?

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UshiromiyaEva
11/22/23 10:17:20 AM
#330:


Bro why are you posting on the anime board that place is a cesspool lol.

I got outta there a decade ago.


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Mobilezoid
11/22/23 10:22:37 AM
#331:


MacArrowny posted...
Why are you even watching this, anyway? Don't you hate all yuri anime?
I hate three of the four I've seen (and I'm not a huge fan of the fourth one either) but I'm a big fan of yuri in general. Highway Blossoms is my favorite visual novel and it's yuri all the way. I keep hoping to find a yuri anime with well-written characters and no awful implications or sexual assaults. So far I've been disappointed every single time.

This isn't limited to yuri, either! I hate a ton of straight anime romances too. Every so often, though, there's a good one like Insomniacs After School or Snow White With the Red Hair. I think it's a numbers game. I've watched dozens of straight anime romances and only found a handful of good ones, but those good ones are some of my all-time favorites. If I keep watching yuri anime, someday I'll find a great one.

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UshiromiyaEva
11/22/23 10:28:35 AM
#332:


It sounds like you want your romance anime to be very, very tame and free of romantic conflict, based on those 2.

That's not an insult, that's a totally justifiable preference. I like Snow-white with Red Hair!

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Mobilezoid
11/22/23 10:34:30 AM
#333:


UshiromiyaEva posted...
It sounds like you want your romance anime to be very, very tame and free of romantic conflict, based on those 2.

That's not an insult, that's a totally justifiable preference. I like Snow-white with Red Hair!
That's probably a fair assessment. I hate stuff like forced misunderstandings or romantic rivals. There's still plenty of room for conflict in a romance even without those things, though! The girls in Highway Blossoms had plenty of hurdles to jump over, but those issues were inherent to their characters and things they needed to figure out about each other and themselves. It wasnt just the author pressing the drama button over and over.

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AxemRedRanger
11/22/23 11:00:49 AM
#334:


What were the three you hated and the one you were lukewarm on?

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Strife2
11/22/23 11:04:23 AM
#335:


Snow White with Red Hair was pretty good.

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Mobilezoid
11/22/23 3:55:29 PM
#336:


AxemRedRanger posted...
What were the three you hated and the one you were lukewarm on?
The three I hated from worst to least worst are Citrus (chock full of really uncomfortable plot elements), I'm in Love With the Villainess (because of what I've been ranting about, but even before that I found both main characters kind of insufferable), and the third is Adachi and Shimamura (mostly because Adachi had no personality beyond her obsession with Shimamura, and Shimamura had no personality at all).

The one I'm meh on is The Magical Revolution of the Reincarnated Princess and the Genius Young Lady. It didn't have anything overtly offensive, and the two mains were actual characters. The story itself didn't really resonate with me, but it's still the best even if only by default.

And before anyone goes thinking I simply don't like yuri romance again, I can easily name four straight romance anime that I hate even more than Citrus (100 Girlfriends, Science Fell in Love, My Little Monster, Maria the Virgin Witch).

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SockoressKnight
11/22/23 5:13:53 PM
#337:


Woohoo. Citrus is kinda not the worst and is better than 100 GFs (at least to Roba). I'll take it.

The obvious yuri recc is Bloom into You, but I'm not sure if you'll find the characters interesting or frustrating. Scrolling (way) down MAL's list of GL, you could give Blue Drop a try.

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Strife2
11/22/23 5:42:22 PM
#338:


Otherside Picnic is pretty good. It's Mushi-shi with a side dish of yuri.

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Mobilezoid
11/22/23 5:54:19 PM
#339:


I've been slowly making my way through Mushishi and liking it well enough. I'll keep Otherside Picnic in mind!

Blue Drop doesn't appear to be streaming anywhere, but I'll keep an eye out for it if that ever changes.

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UshiromiyaEva
11/22/23 5:58:52 PM
#340:


I watched 5 episodes of Otherside Picnic. I was really excited for it prior to release, but the production seemed to kind of fall apart after the 1st episode.

It sounds like people really like the LNs, but I've seen those same people really HATE the anime. I didn't see anything worth hating before dropping but they would know better than me.

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KamikazePotato
11/22/23 6:43:22 PM
#341:


Romance seems like a difficult genre to be a fan of if toxic elements turn you off. That's like, the point of 3/4 of romance media.

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SockoressKnight
11/22/23 6:47:45 PM
#342:


Mobilezoid posted...
Blue Drop doesn't appear to be streaming anywhere, but I'll keep an eye out for it if that ever changes.
Could have sworn I watched it on Funimation, but MAL says it's licensed by Sentai Filmworks, but it's not on HiDive. Weird and unfortunate

Otherside Picnic is definitely not one of Lidenfilms better shows. Production quality aside, I enjoyed it, but there isn't any explicit yuri in the season.

UshiromiyaEva posted...
It sounds like people really like the LNs, but I've seen those same people really HATE the anime.
Major complaint I saw was that the adaptation rearranges the plot. I see what they were going for, but it wasn't exactly a clean alteration.

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Mobilezoid
11/22/23 7:34:58 PM
#343:


KamikazePotato posted...
Romance seems like a difficult genre to be a fan of if toxic elements turn you off. That's like, the point of 3/4 of romance media.
As my big anime ranking project last year showed, romance is a love/hate genre for me. It can get incredibly bad. When it's good, though, it's the best! I don't mind suffering through the multitude of stinkers to find the occasional gem. Something has to fill out the lower tiers in my anime ranking, after all.

I also don't want to make it sound like romance anime needs to be all light and fluffy with zero drama. I just despise certain kinds of drama. I feel like a lot of stories use tropes like contrived misunderstandings that could be solved with a ten second conversation as a crutch. There's still a lot of potential for growth and conflict between two good people who are doing their best, and I find that kind of story far more rewarding.

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UshiromiyaEva
11/22/23 7:41:15 PM
#344:


https://twitter.com/OMORI_GAME/status/1727341175911198780?s=19

Oh fucking rad.


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colliding
11/22/23 9:27:09 PM
#345:


finally caught up with demon slayer (anime)

I still think this is a decent show but it's approaching bleach levels of asspull territory. it also is giving off real heavy "the story has already peaked" vibes

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KommunistKoala
11/22/23 9:32:03 PM
#346:


you would be correct about that

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UshiromiyaEva
11/22/23 9:36:00 PM
#347:


I've stopped watching Demon Slayer, but I still enjoyed the manga quite a bit.

It's probably good she ended it when she did, though. Better to go out on a high note.

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Maniac64
11/22/23 9:53:57 PM
#348:


How many seasons are we likely to have of the anime?

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UshiromiyaEva
11/22/23 9:59:49 PM
#349:


2-3 cours at most, unless a movie is thrown in there somewhere.

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pjbasis
11/22/23 10:49:59 PM
#350:


I think the peak is yet to come (in the anime)

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