Current Events > I hate this weirdo altright incel hating women culture that is online constantly

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bigblu89 posted...

Women who think men that are under 6 feet tall or make less than $250k are useless?

Yeah.

A few tiktoks. Half of them comedy skits. Set against all the Tate/manosphere/PUA/red pill nonsense/everyday misogyny.

It's not push, it's pull.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/6/2/6/AAa0vfAAE9x6.jpg

I know I will get flamed for this most likely, but two things, someone mentioned, "oh men just need to eat healthy, work out and make money." That is trivializing everything about men, which, if this is what Tate preaches, don't know, don't listen to him, don't want to, then it is severly underserving men, who in turn, have been left in the dust by the psychopaths who are are the top of the preadtory capitalist food pyramid. So you have two things going on, just in the space of "men's health (holistic meaning)" and the system in which we find ourselves. This is just a jumping on point to a much wider topic because like so many things, the issue is multi-faceted and is endemic to modern life, which lacks so much intellectual and psychological necessities for the human animal.

ejolson posted...

"oh men just need to eat healthy, work out and make money." That is trivializing everything about men, which, if this is what Tate preaches

It's a part of what Tate preaches.

The rest is how to use coercive techniques to exploit women for money.

UnfairRepresent posted...

This is a half truth
Even if you don't watch them they're still suggested and even if you block them they come back from other channels

No, it's the entire truth. I never get those suggestions because I never click on those videos. You do, even if it's only because someone posts it here and you want to debate the point. Stop clicking on them and only look at things you like. That'll change the algorithm for your suggestions lists.

UnfairRepresent posted...

And putting aside, "You don't have to watch them so ignore the harm the toxic culture is doing " is massively short sighted

These ideas are still being pushed on a hourly basis to hundreds of millions of people including impressionable teens and are having a major affect on policies, gangs, sex trafficking, laws etc

That was the logic that led to MAGA unchecked and streets full of protesters saying its OK to rape.

"Just ignore them You dont have to watch " It's a very lazy thought process that pretty much just supports the toxicity

Um no. You can be very aware something exists and push back on it without watching those videos. I don't need to watch a video on racism to know it exists and confront those points when a person espouses them. Same with misogyny and the like.

And nobody's ignored MAGA or Trump. It was pushed in the media and forums all the time. And it still is. Nobody actually ever ignores trolls, which is a big reason why they persist. You certainly don't. You'll engage every single time.

lolife67 posted...

I think they wanted names of people who are promoting that mindset in the same way the MGTOW/red pill types do.

Also, if you don't want those videos being suggested to you then stop watching them. That's something 100% in your control.

I dont pay attention to them enough to see who post them when I see them to know specific names.

And fir the most part the videos tend to be someone talking about how terrible and double-standard it is to have those requirements but not expect the opposite sex to also have certain standards.

I like how ASDF has spent a lot of time complaining that the left ignores men's issues and even bashes them, yet has not once mentioned a specific issue or instance of bashing occurring.

bigblu89 posted...

I dont pay attention to them enough to see who post them when I see them to know specific names.

And fir the most part the videos tend to be someone talking about how terrible and double-standard it is to have those requirements but not expect the opposite sex to also have certain standards.

So that kind of proves the point that the male bashing types aren't nearly as prolific or numerous as the red pill ones. It's used as a deflection as opposed to being an actual problem.

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Lol if that were the reason then they wouldn't bother engaging to begin with, so stop that. He's not giving any real examples because they don't exist in the way he's claiming.

lolife67 posted...

No, it's the entire truth. I never get those suggestions because I never click on those videos. You do, even if it's only because someone posts it here and you want to debate the point. Stop clicking on them and only look at things you like. That'll change the algorithm for your suggestions lists.

I literally demonstrated that this is bullshit ITT alone

I went to YouTube on a new phone with no YouTube account and the first 2 suggested videos were this bullshit

Social media is the same.

Why are you lying?

lolife67 posted...

Um no. You can be very aware something exists and push back on it without watching those videos.

Oh that I totally agree with.

The notion of "Just ignore it and it'll go away/won'tmatter" is what I challenge

And nobody's ignored MAGA or Trump.

Disagree

plenty of people promoted "Just ignore him" same as anti vaxxers and they grew unchallenged

Jon Stewart even did a comical music number begging Trump to run because it will be so hilarious to see him fail.

It was pushed in the media and forums all the time.

And that's a bad thing. Just like this incel movement

If your solo point Is "You don't have to watch it to acknowledge how bad it is"

I 100% agree

But if you're arguing that just ignoring it will do anything other than make it worse , I disagree strongly

ejolson posted...

"oh men just need to eat healthy, work out and make money." That is trivializing everything about men

My point there was that if this is the content that is attracting men then I dont understand what you want to see from the left/feminists perspective to help these men.

Like what do you guys think feminists are supposed to be saying or promoting to help men that they arent already doing?

UnfairRepresent posted...

I literally demonstrated that this is bulls*** ITT alone

I went to YouTube on a new phone with no YouTube account and the first 2 suggested videos were this bulls***

Social media is the same.

Why are you lying?

I didn't see where you posted that in this topic. That doesn't make me a liar but with you jumping to that immediately, I'm now sure you actually go and look at these vids just to argue.

UnfairRepresent posted...

The notion of "Just ignore it and it'll go away/won'tmatter" is what I challenge

Well I never claimed this, so cool.

UnfairRepresent posted...

Disagree

plenty of people promoted "Just ignore him" same as anti vaxxers and they grew unchallenged

Jon Stewart even did a comical music number begging Trump to run because it will be so hilarious to see him fail.

People said that, yes. My point is nobody actually DID it. He wasn't ignored at all.

UnfairRepresent posted...

And that's a bad thing. Just like this incel movement

If your solo point Is "You don't have to watch it to acknowledge how bad it is"

I 100% agree

But if you're arguing that just ignoring it will do anything other than make it worse , I disagree strongly

Ok then we agree. My other point is if you want to stop getting those recommendations, then you totally can.

Charismic_Zach_Gowen posted...

I like how ASDF has spent a lot of time complaining that the left ignores men's issues and even bashes them, yet has not once mentioned a specific issue or instance of bashing occurring.

I like how you fabricated something I never said.

I never onced blamed "the left" for anything.

I also did list several men issues that it sadly needs to be said again, I did not once say or imply it was "the left" is the cause. In fact, my posts don't even talk about, "the left."

If you thought it did, my point is amplified just how much this nuanced problem has some breaking down things to be black and white. While dismissing issues,.... to then be confused why redpill content is appealing to a crowd that feels their concerns are dismissed.

I dare wonder did you also think my post is saying redpill content is good.

Someone might already have said this, but a big issue today now is that since women have been able to work how they want, excel in education, & be more independent than any time before, men have not caught up & adapted to this change yet.

Used to be if you had a good paycheck you could meet any woman you wanted. But now that women can do all of that & are shown through scientific data to be happier single, men can't just get in the door with a paycheck. You need well rounded emotional intelligence, good interests, a humanitarian side, the paycheck & making more than the woman, & possibly even more than that just to cinch it.

Women have the advantage now more than ever before, but have to do their part on understanding the dynamics now. This anti-woman shit is just increasing the divide even further, & feminist women are helping to push the gap wider in response to it. Even in conservative women, I hear often how they don't want that alpha toxic masculinity ego obsessed douchebag guy because they aren't safe to settle down with.

And historically, being the "beta cuck librul" has always been the safest way for a woman to settle down & start a life. That's why it's nothing but dudes on all the conservative dating apps.

Men need to understand a lot more about interacting with women properly, & women need to help guide them there. Lest your tates & shit get there first & corrupt them, which going by my parents as an example, once the conservative fox news shit made its way in, they were cooked. I don't get paid enough to deconvert people from destroying their own best interests.

lolife67 posted...

So that kind of proves the point that the male bashing types aren't nearly as prolific or numerous as the red pill ones. It's used as a deflection as opposed to being an actual problem.

Maybe. I can only speak for myself.

Im 45 and have been out of the dating scene for at least 20 years so I dont really pay attention to being with. I wouldnt even know who Andrew Tate was if it wasnt for topics on this board.

lolife67 posted...

My other point is if you want to stop getting those recommendations, then you totally can

Again I don't agree with this

They always come back

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If talking about me, I didn't derail the topic. My posts point out why their content is partly growing. With the why being partly due to the dismissal that men face any hate, bashing, or problems. This nuanced problem is not as black and white as some like to paint it.

You have some boiling down a nuanced issue into, "all redpillers love sex trafficking", near dismissal of men's issues, and not understanding content appealing to at least some of those issues is bound to attract those people. As opposed to those who are very quick to claim you must hate woman if you point out a double standard.

So it's not a big mystery why that content is appealing to some men. All of my posts have been about why that content is growing.

The topic complains about the problem existing and everyone agrees its a problem. If you truly want to address the problem, first try understanding why they may be falling into redpill traps, which is far more nuanced. Not writing off/dismissal the issues a man faces and claiming they must love something like sex trafficking. (Not claiming you in specific.)

If you truly want to address those going to that content, first you have to get out of thinking everyone falling for that content is a monolith with the same reasons for viewing it.

To those complaining about seeing redpill content you dont want to see, like me and few others said, you do have some blame there. Your asset logs the type of websites and videos you visit. Keywords are clocked, and videos are then recommended. Even if it's brief. The algorithm is based more than just your history on YouTube. So clearing your history does nothing if you are visiting websites talking about this shit, or even viewing a preview of videos hovering over the video. Cookies, website history, Google history, region and a few other factors plays a role to in recommendations. Not saying all of it will be blocked, but if it's literally all over your feed and ads, you are binging more redpill content than you realize which includes this topic btw.

Look other places, I guess. Its not all over the Internet. Its only like that because youve clicked the videos, either bashing them or praising them. This leads the Internet to recommend you more of that type of content. Youre in a loop, just like everyone else. Stop paying attention to that stuff and it will stop showing up in your feeds, I guess.

but yea, I too an sick of those people. Andrew Tate I dont mind as much as that podcast, though. Tate just expressed his opinions, the podcast brings women on to bash them.

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Also there are those of us who have listened to people analyze and explain the phenomenon, which for me comes from radio.

UnfairRepresent posted...

I'm sick and tired of being bombared with bullshit anti-women videos every time I go onto youtube.

Sad part is a lot of it isn't 35 year olds.

It's teenagers. There's a huge amount of 12-20 year olds who eat this shit up

Even without blocktube I never get this shit.

Perhaps you can enlighten us on your watch history for youtube to think those channels and videos are appropriate?

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Perhaps not the OP, but others have implied such with one providing photos of what their youtube shorts rec feed looks like.

dancing_cactuar posted...

Even without blocktube I never get this shit.

Perhaps you can enlighten us on your watch history for youtube to think those channels and videos are appropriate?

Probably watches left leaning and progressive content creators who might make videos refuting the redpill space.

Shadow_Don posted...

Probably watches left leaning and progressive content creators who might make videos refuting the redpill space.

I watched a video reviewing a set of adjustable weights I might like to buy and started getting manosphere shit recommended.

Take the 20 s3conds to click the do not recommend option and move on with your day.

ironman2009 posted...

Take the 20 s3conds to click the do not recommend option and move on with your day.

Takes ever so slightly longer to add the blocktube addon to firefox or chrome and then put the channel on block so you never see it again, but it's worth it.

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It's all bad, as anyone should be able to overhead press or bent over row quite a bit more than their bicep curl. Youve added two extra exercises that aren't doing anything because they're limited by how much you can curl. Generally, you're doing different weights on ohp and bent over row too, but at least that one is less drastic since those are at least muscle groups. You'd need freaky disproportionate biceps for this exercise to make sense.

Just do the three separate exercises with appropriate weight for each one.

I dont condone or approve of typical wacko incel behavior, but I can kind of see how people can be driven to it.

Society pushes the importance of being in a romantic relationship so much, so its not difficult to see how guys could get frustrated by not being able to experience something that theyre told is like the endgame to life.

Unfortunately, most people arent like me, and are unable to accept and embrace not being in a relationship, so they turn to the psychotic incel shit. I cant think of any good way to stop it.

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Did I say there werent?

I never get this stuff. Seems like, if you aren't into it, the youtube equivalent of doomscrolling is at play.

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It exists, but I never see it unless I look for it. Or scotty makes a topic.

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But that.. is like what I said. Hence the word embrace.

Conflict posted...

There are options besides giving up/accepting it or becoming an incel

Not always.

PeteyParker posted...

"Both sides!"

Have you been on Instagram lately?

My algorithm is full of "men are terrible" content

Gets a bit exhausting

I think people are underestimating how easy it is to end up onto those algorithms.

Watch a innocuous video about video games, Marvel or Star Wars. Keep watching those and very quickly you'll get the reactionary videos from weirdo alt-righters. Then if you watch those the algorithm is gonna take you straight to the guys just focused on hating women.

It's not me who is aware of this that's the problem. It's the teenage boys who end up down these rabbit holes that guys like Tate manage to attract through algorithms exactly like the above. Then those people think this is what most people think and how the world works. We've seen this time and time again in the last 10 years. The internet is an incredibly effective tool to build an audience for sexist and harmful content.

It's not just nerd crap either. Tate is attached to MMA. MMA is popular with men. Even beer is attached to it. Fox News. Trump. There are several avenues to attract men to that stuff.

Punished_Blinx posted...

I think people are underestimating how easy it is to end up onto those algorithms.

Legit, it's really fucking annoying. There was a Smash Bros video I watched years ago and after that YT decided to start filling my recommended with all sorts of misogynistic MGTOW/Redpilled shit. Did it for like a week before it let off.

The algorithms have always been pretty fucked, and these assholes specifically prepare for that.

The alt right will ease potential new members in. Obviously most teens aren't going to jump straight into the "Hiltler was right" group. That repels anyone decent.

But if you start off by sneaking in a video or two about how their lack of success with the opposite sex has an east enough solution, they may stick around. It can legitimately just be harmless advice at this point. Exercise, eat healthy, groom yourself properly. Nothing wrong with that.

Then it goes to "Well you know, women in foreign companies are a lot more docile and submissive. American women hate you because [bullshit]". Feminism is an easy scapegoat.

Then it turns to all women being bad and you have to treat them like animals if you want any success with them.

Then it's "Liberal wokeness is the cause of all your problems because they taught women that they deserve to have equal rights" (Which, of course for these people, mean men have no rights because making sure you have consent before you have sex is such a drag)

One day, when the brainwashing has finally neared completion, it's a video about "who really runs things" and suddenly huh... where did this swastika come from?

And all of this could have started by someone looking up "How do I get girls to like me?"

It's a lot easier to lead someone down a rabbit hole when they don't realize they're walking down it.

Like fuck, I just typed in "How to get girls to like you" in YT right now. Went to a channel. At a glance, nothing seems particularly off bout any of their videos.

"Men will no longer be able to have kids."



What are the odds that video wants you to be mad at a certain group of people rather than it being about how expensive children are and how less people are having them for cost reason?

KajeI posted...

Legit, it's really fucking annoying. There was a Smash Bros video I watched years ago and after that YT decided to start filling my recommended with all sorts of misogynistic MGTOW/Redpilled shit. Did it for like a week before it let off.

Same

I watch a lot of gaming and sports videos and the reccomend vids are frequently toxic