Current Events > Israel/Palestine War: Live Thread 3 (Invasion for real this time?)

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Ya_dun_goofed posted...

Putting pressure to end the conflict doesn't mean we have to abandon hostages.

Again though - Hamas wanted this war. Like Japan attacking Pearl Harbor or Al Qaeda hijacking airplanes, they knew exactly what would follow, so why would they call for a truce? And even if they did, why would Israel believe a word of it?

This is going to be messy and hopefully Israel doesn't overdue it, but they don't have any other option but to fight back.

VFalcone posted...

I'm reading comments that the black flag might also just be for mourning and mourning only

I live in Muslim majority country and can confirm that they use black flag for mourning.

Church that funds Gaza hospital condemns blast and says enclave deprived of safe havens
The Episcopal Diocese of Jerusalem condemned the deadly explosion that took place at the Al-Ahli hospital in Gaza on Tuesday.
The diocese oversees the board and administration of the hospital, which is exclusively funded through the Anglican Church by international donations.
The diocese said it was observing a global day of fasting and prayers to end the conflict that was marred by a brutal attack" on the hospital, it said in a statement.
The diocese announced a day of mourning in all of its churches and institutions.
Gaza remains bereft of safe havens, the diocese said and called the blast a crime against humanity.

Hospitals, by the tenets of international humanitarian law, are sanctuaries, yet this assault has transgressed those sacred boundaries, the statement read.

The devastation witnessed, coupled with the sacrilegious targeting of the church, strikes at the very core of human decency," it said, adding that we assert unequivocally that this is deserving international condemnation and retribution.

name_unknown posted...

Church that funds Gaza hospital condemns blast and says enclave deprived of safe havens
The Episcopal Diocese of Jerusalem condemned the deadly explosion that took place at the Al-Ahli hospital in Gaza on Tuesday.
The diocese oversees the board and administration of the hospital, which is exclusively funded through the Anglican Church by international donations.
The diocese said it was observing a global day of fasting and prayers to end the conflict that was marred by a brutal attack" on the hospital, it said in a statement.
The diocese announced a day of mourning in all of its churches and institutions.
Gaza remains bereft of safe havens, the diocese said and called the blast a crime against humanity.
The devastation witnessed, coupled with the sacrilegious targeting of the church, strikes at the very core of human decency," it said, adding that we assert unequivocally that this is deserving international condemnation and retribution.

And American Christian conservatives will ignore this

McSame_as_Bush posted...

This is going to be messy and hopefully Israel doesn't overdue it, but they don't have any other option but to fight back.

dude go do some research and come back, you really dont know wtf youre talking about.
either that or you're shilling for israel, in which case, you're on the wrong side of this.

ZaruenKosai posted...

dude go do some research and come back, you really dont know wtf youre talking about.
either that or you're shilling for israel, in which case, you're on the wrong side of this.

He's made it pretty clear it's the latter by this point.

That should really be assumed of anyone supporting Israel at this point (to be clear, it is not just an assumption in that user's case); it's very hard to imagine anyone trying to discuss this topic isn't aware of exactly what Israel gets up to.

hamas might've bombed that hospital themselves

pretty fucked up

Kaiganeer posted...

hamas might've bombed that hospital themselves

pretty fucked up

Is this before or after Israel admitted to bombing the hospital?

mystic_belmont posted...

Is this before or after Israel admitted to bombing the hospital?

and tweeted about it.. and warned everyone 24 hours (which is bullshit and not excusable) in advance they were going to bomb the hospital.

mystic_belmont posted...

Is this before or after Israel admitted to bombing the hospital?

he knows, hes been shitposting about this stuff a lot

idk, the most well-informed man on the planet feels that it might've not been israel

https://www.bbc.com/news/live/world-middle-east-67141589

Kaiganeer posted...

idk, the most well-informed man on the planet feels that it might've not been israel

https://www.bbc.com/news/live/world-middle-east-67141589

is that the same man that had to walk back on multiple statements due to later finding out they were fake propaganda construed by the IDF?

I have all the love in the world for biden but he too makes mistakes.

and unfortunately, his view on this matter is quite bias..

ZaruenKosai posted...

is that the same man that had to walk back on multiple statements due to later finding out they were fake propaganda construed by the IDF?

I have all the love in the world for biden but he too makes mistakes.

and unfortunately, his view on this matter is quite bias..

I was thinking that his post is sarcastic, but then looking at his post history...

Why is it some people here are so quick to believe what a terrorist group like Hamas says over what the IDF says? I'm not saying that the IDF isn't capable of blowing up a place with civilians in it (they've done it before), but it's just weird to me that some people in this topic were so willing to take the word of a terrorist group.

Evil_Nice_Guy posted...

Why is it some people here are so quick to believe what a terrorist group like Hamas says over what the IDF says? I'm not saying that the IDF isn't capable of blowing up a place with civilians in it (they've done it before), but it's just weird to me that some people in this topic were so willing to take the word of a terrorist group.

It's like believing what Bin Laden and Al Qaeda claim after 9/11. Or...well, ever.

Video of the damage:

https://twitter.com/Osinttechnical/status/1714535687070916987

Evil_Nice_Guy posted...

Why is it some people here are so quick to believe what a terrorist group like Hamas says over what the IDF says? I'm not saying that the IDF isn't capable of blowing up a place with civilians in it (they've done it before), but it's just weird to me that some people in this topic were so willing to take the word of a terrorist group.

chaos_knight posted...

It's like believing what Bin Laden and Al Qaeda claim after 9/11. Or...well, ever.

We have done the appropriate research.

You literally said it yourself, IDF has already shown this is something they are not only capable of , but more than willing to do. IDF Created propaganda about decapitating babies which was completely unnecessary when Hamas has more than enough examples of their terrorism. Yet IDF still went with the Decapitated Babies Road to try to paint themselves as the good guys seeking vengeance for fake news they themselves created, it was just to give them an excuse to unleash hell on Palestine.

I have also seen what some of the IDF Shills are saying elsewhere, calling for the extermination of every single palestinian, calling them animal rats that need to go extinct.

They do not see Palestinians as humans, they do not see them as equals.

It doesn't take more than a bit of empathy and common sense to see where evil truly lies in all this.

We are not taking the word of terrorist groups, we are taking the word of civilians and reporters risking their lives (some even sacrificing their lives in order to report the truth , even at gunpoint by the IDF)

The root of the problems will always circle back to Israels treatment of Palestine.

Israel is doing exactly what Russia tried to do with Ukraine.

When the IDF says they are going to blow up hospitals, have blown them up in the past and the hospital they gave 24 hours to evacuate before being blown up gets blown up...

...why are we meant to not assume Israel did as they promised to?

Funkydog posted...

When the IDF says they are going to blow up hospitals, have blown them up in the past and the hospital they gave 24 hours to evacuate before being blown up gets blown up...

...why are we meant to not assume Israel did as they promised to?

And then tweeted that they did it.

ScazarMeltex posted...

And then tweeted that they did it.

But they deleted it....!

So, uh... take that!

Israel has an incredibly poor human rights record, but I guess that's just Hamas propaganda to make such a lovely place look bad.

Evil_Nice_Guy posted...

Why is it some people here are so quick to believe what a terrorist group like Hamas says over what the IDF says? I'm not saying that the IDF isn't capable of blowing up a place with civilians in it (they've done it before), but it's just weird to me that some people in this topic were so willing to take the word of a terrorist group.

Did Hamas even say anything in the matter for us to believe?

Hell, I'd say I believe Israel's warning to that same hospital days prior more than anything.

You put so much stock in Hamas' ability to control media influence and propaganda, yet none in literally America/Israel's? Think, who's more likely to be able to control the narrative more here? A terrorist group currently nestled in the dark or literally the most powerful entity in the world?

Funkydog posted...

When the IDF says they are going to blow up hospitals, have blown them up in the past and the hospital they gave 24 hours to evacuate before being blown up gets blown up...

...why are we meant to not assume Israel did as they promised to?

Because there's zero evidence. Every geolocation and eyewitness account points to a rocket that originated in Gaza.

All you have is whistling and deleted tweets.

Starks posted...

deleted tweets.

huh.. deleted tweet by Israel doesnt count?

so does that mean their genocide of palestine doesnt count as genocide either?

talk about a biased opinion.

Here is the warning from Israel
https://www.livemint.com/news/world/israelhamas-war-gaza-hospital-was-warned-an-hour-before-the-blast-reveals-palestinian-envoy-11697612434649.html

Here is the deleted Tweet
https://www.reddit.com/r/Palestine/comments/17a86gg/israel_spokesperson_took_credit_for_bombing_the/

1+1 = 2

here is some VIDEO Evidence that would counter those saying it cant be israel and it has to be a failed HAMAS rocket.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Palestine/comments/17ag02q/israel_doesnt_stop_lying_here_the_full_video_they/

I only posted the this because of the other video posted that people think clears Israel of any possibility that it was them.

To the left there is a small explosion and then the big one. The small one probably a rocket, the second one likely Israeli missle.

ZaruenKosai posted...

here is some VIDEO Evidence that would counter those saying it cant be israel and it has to be a failed HAMAS rocket.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Palestine/comments/17ag02q/israel_doesnt_stop_lying_here_the_full_video_they/

I only posted the this because of the other video posted that people think clears Israel of any possibility that it was them.

To the left there is a small explosion and then the big one. The small one probably a rocket, the second one likely Israeli missle.

The only thing you see on this video is a HAMAS rocket, how can you get to the conclusion that the explosion is likely an Israelin missle exploding nearly at the same time?

Foppe posted...

You got 24 hours to evacuate the hospitals!
...alright, the bad weather prevents us from gathering the ground force we want, you got another 16 hours...
...UN complained, so of course we are not going to attack hospitals *blinks*
You are evacuating as we wanted? Then you must be Hamas!!! *attacks convoy*
...opsie, our mistake...
We mean, Hamas did it!
...wait, is that firefighters and ambulances? *attacks them*
Yeah, we are sooooorrrrrryyyyy that we attacked that hospital.
*deletes tweet*
It was clearly you guys destroying your own hospital, we would never sink that low!!!

Sums it up.

But you're still refusing to produce physical evidence of an IDF strike.

How long are you going to cling to useless anecdotes and fog of war?

Biden says it came from Palestine. So you can either believe the President of the United States or you can believe a terrorist group.

McSame_as_Bush posted...

So you can either believe the President of the United States

Remember them WMDs?

Biden urges two-state solution to support peace
US President Joe Biden in a Wednesday address in Tel Aviv said he supports the two-state solution in the pursuit of peace.
"Nations of conscience like the United States and Israel are not measured solely by the example of power. We are measured by the power of our example, and that's why as hard as it is, we must keep pursuing peace. We must keep pursuing a path so that Israel and the Palestinian people can both live safely and securely in dignity and in peace," he said.
"For me, that means a two-state solution," he added. "We must keep working for Israel's greater integration with its neighbors. These attacks have only strengthened my commitment and determination and my will to get that done."
What is the two-state solution?: The idea of the two-state solution involves an Israeli state next to a Palestinian state, existing side by side in peace. It has been the goal of the international community for decades, dating back to the 1947 UN Partition Plan, and many nations say that it is the only way out of the conflict. But progress on the goal has been far from easy and has stalled in recent years. The two sides have failed to come to an agreement over several issues central to the solution.
Both claim parts, if not all, of the holy city of Jerusalem as their capital. They dispute where to draw borders and they continue to clash over Israeli settlements in occupied territory. In addition, what happens to the Palestinian refugees who fled what is now Israel after the 1948 war is a point of contention. The United Nations estimates that there are 700,000 Palestinian refugees in the world.
It would recognize a 1967 demarcation line known as the Green Line to partition Palestinian and Israeli land, subject to land swaps based on negotiations, and it would divide Jerusalem between the two states.

McSame_as_Bush posted...

Biden says it came from Palestine. So you can either believe the President of the United States or you can believe a terrorist group.

Remember that the president also said he saw beheaded baby pics... and then he didn't.

It's hard to believe him when he's repeating what he was told by the IDF. After the IDF said the exact opposite and then memory hole'd it.

You guys put so much emphasis on what is said as opposed to what is clearly visible with two eyes

TheNextLink posted...

Remember them WMDs?

DnDer posted...

Remember that the president also said he saw beheaded baby pics... and then he didn't.

It's hard to believe him when he's repeating what he was told by the IDF. After the IDF said the exact opposite and then memory hole'd it.

So just to be clear - you're going with these guys?

https://twitter.com/SkyNews/status/1711419307551564280?s=20

Even CNN is reporting the Hospital attack was from a Palestinian rocket. If you still think Isreal is responsible you are just being antisemitic at this point tbh.

People are taking sides and ignoring evidence to support their bias.

Best to stay neutral and not respond to news from this on going war emotionally.

Been a bit since my last death toll update but here we go.

• 1,400 Israelis dead, 3,500 wounded (NBC)
• 3,400 Palestinians dead, 12,500 wounded (NBC)

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/live-blog/israel-hamas-
war-live-updates-rcna120978

CNN, ABC, and CBS report similar numbers

Edit: Code thing isn't working for me...

Heavy_D_Forever posted...

If you still think Isreal is responsible you are just being antisemitic at this point tbh.

Hold up, you're going to have to explain how that's at all anti-Semitic. What does people being Semitic have to do with it at all?

Enclave posted...

Hold up, you're going to have to explain how that's at all anti-Semitic. What does people being Semitic have to do with it at all?

didnt you know that if you criticize Israel that means you hate all Jewish people?

thronedfire2 posted...

didnt you know that if you criticize Israel that means you hate all Jewish people?

Hamas has explicitly stated they want to wipe the Jewish people off the face of the Earth. Most of the anti-Isreal rhetoric is based on those same beliefs. It's actually quite disgusting.

Hamas blowing up their own people

Enclave posted...

Hold up, you're going to have to explain how that's at all anti-Semitic. What does people being Semitic have to do with it at all?

Shhhh! He doesn't know arabs are also semitic, just play along.

Heavy_D_Forever posted...

Hamas has explicitly stated they want to wipe the Jewish people off the face of the Earth. Most of the anti-Isreal rhetoric is based on those same beliefs. It's actually quite disgusting.

Hey. Shut the fuck up.

Israel is a human rights shithole that was well documented long before last week. Is it anti-Asian to hate the CCP or North Korea? Is it Islamophobic to hate the Sharia-ruled nations?

Netanyahu fucking hates the Palestinians and doesn't even treat them like people.

Screaming "the terrorists are evil!" doesn't somehow make no one else evil.

Do you really think Israel isn't capable of making the attack look like it could have been done by hamas, the chaos and confusion is exactly what they want. While everyone is so busy arguing about who could have done the attack, Israel is continuing their genocide of the people of Palestine. All evidence points to Israel being at fault. They could easily have used a HAMAS Like rocket to create a false flag like situation.

They have mimiced Russian Strategies in this very war multiple times including many of their war crimes. Israel Issued multiple warnings right before the attack that they would be attacking the hospital. They even tweeted about it afterwards which was quickly deleted when they realied they done goofed.

President Biden is not the all knowing master, he does not have that much more information than we do, he also confirmed the decapitated babies to be 100% accurate and that was proven to be completely false. We will uncover the truth around the hospital attack in the coming days.. Meanwhile Israel will most likely have already conducted 2-3 more attacks before it is confirmed and by than people will already be arguing about something else.

So either way Israel has already got what it wants. Israel is master of propaganda in this war.

When people Side with Palestine, they are siding with the innocent civilians, not with HAMAS, and calling out the atrocities commited by Israel does not make someone anti-semite. There are people of all religions, cultures and ethnicities around the world all protesting.. It is not just the Palestinians that are protesting. There is no doubt in my mind where responsibility lies..

As I have said many times, the root of the problem is Israels treatment of the people of Palestine which is what creates terrorist groups like Hamas naturally.

IDF Has lied , continues to lie and will most definitely lie many more times. Netanyu and the IDF havae made their intentions very clear. Also they have made their view of the people of Palestine very clear. I also have no love for HAMAS which is clearly a terrorist group. Though like I said, that is a symptom of the disease of being treated like sewer rats by Israel

They are going by the Russian playbook and even have a major propaganda network that would make russia jealous. Israel has somehow managed to keep the support of all their allies even after making it as clear as possible they are in the process of exterminating Palestin AKA Genocide.

hockeybub89 posted...

Hey. Shut the fuck up.

Israel is a human rights shithole that was well documented long before last week. Is it anti-Asian to hate the CCP or North Korea? Is it Islamophobic to hate the Sharia-ruled nations?

Netanyahu fucking hates the Palestinians and doesn't even treat them like people.

Screaming "the terrorists are evil!" doesn't somehow make no one else evil.

No need to get angry and waste any energy for these drones, they're just following their orders on this app.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Act.IL

As expected, proof that Hamas is killing its own people and blew up that hospital themselves has been released and acknowledged across all world press outlets.