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UnfairRepresent
10/16/23 7:41:33 AM
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David Speed does not worship Satan a fact that helped win over his wife-to-be early in their relationship.

On one of their first dates, Speeds wife, who grew up Anglican, asked him what faith he belonged to. When Speed replied that he was an atheist, she pressed for details.

So you worship Satan? he recalls her asking.

We still laugh about it, said Speed, an assistant professor in social psychology at the University of New Brunswick in Saint John.

It wasnt the only misunderstanding they had to get over. In his wifes upbringing, atheists were seen as not only given to bad spiritual practices, but hostile to religious people, especially Christians.

Thats a common stereotype, said Speed, especially in the United States, where atheists are often disliked and distrusted.

The preconception, however, doesnt hold up, according to a new study: Atheists, overall, view their neighbors in a positive light.

Despite stereotypes of atheists as pugnacious, insular, critical, and/or antitheist, it appears as though they hold less animosity toward Christians than Christians hold toward them, wrote Speed and his colleague, Melanie Brewster of Columbia University, in the academic journal Secularism & Nonreligion.

For an article entitled, Love Thy Neighbour or Not, Speed and Brewster looked at data from the 2018 General Social Survey to see how atheists viewed their religious neighbors.

In that survey, Americans were asked to rate people of various religious persuasions on a scale from one to five, with one being very negative and five being very positive. Christians rated their fellow Christians at about 4.5 on average, while they gave atheists about a 3 rating, with other faiths in between. (Americans, in general, rated faith groups in a similar manner.)

Atheists, however, rated their fellow atheists at about 3.5 on a scale of one to five, and every other faith group about the same.

When it comes to these other groups, I think everybody is wrong, said Hemant Mehta, a writer and blogger known as the Friendly Atheist. But guess what, thats fine.

As long as religious people arent trying to get him to follow their beliefs or infringing on the rights of others, Mehta said that he has no problems with them.

The study didnt surprise Mehta, who said hes well aware of the stereotypes that some religious leaders use to self-described atheists. And he knows that some atheists are seen as hostile to religious people. But thats not the case for most atheists in their day-to-day life.

While the GSS asked participants to rate religious groups and atheists, it did not collect specific data on people who identify as atheists. But the survey does ask if people identify as religious and asks if they believe in God.

For their study, Speed and Brewster categorized anyone who said they do not believe in God as an atheist, since not believing in God is a central part of being an atheist, said Speed. About 15% of respondents in the GSS fit that category. By contrast, a 2019 Pew Religion Survey found that 4% of Americans identify as atheists.

Despite their shared disbelief, Speed suspects that atheists dont see themselves as part of a coherent group. That sets them apart from their religious neighbors.

You really cant be accidentally Christian, he said. But you can accidentally be atheist.

After reading Speed and Brewsters paper, sociologist Ryan Burge of Eastern Illinois University looked at the GSS data to see if rates of attendance played any role in how Americans view religious groups.

He found that church attendance had different effects on Catholics and evangelicals.

The more evangelicals go to church, he tweeted, the more positively they feel about Christians and Jews. But they feel more negatively about Buddhists, Hindus and Muslims.

By contrast, Catholics who attend Mass more often felt better about other religions. Neither Catholic nor evangelical views of atheists changed when they went to services more.

Very few of the so-called nones, those who claim no religious affiliation, attend services regularly. Those who do tend to have a more positive view of religious groups than those who dont attend services.

Speed and his co-author argue that in-group versus out-group dynamics explain why Christians dislike atheists more than atheists dislike Christians. Christians may dislike atheists because they are seen as rivals, in the way that fans of one hockey team, say, the Montreal Canadians, dislike fans of a rival team, like the Toronto Maple Leafs.

But atheists lack that kind of shared identity, so they are less likely to dislike nontheists or have a reason to like their fellow atheists.

We are curmudgeons, said Mehta, with a laugh. Theres nothing really binding us together, so why would I like a random atheist more than anyone else?

Speed and his co-author also see another factor at play. Because so few Americans identify as atheists, Christians or other religious people have little social contact with them. So its easier to believe stereotypes about atheists.

Melanie pointed out that you can navigate your entire life as a Christian in the United States without actually knowing an atheist, he said; but you cant do that as an atheist in America. You cant say, Ive never met a Christian before.

Full Article: https://religionnews.com/2021/07/02/atheists-christians-gss-love-neighbors-atheist-satan-enemy-curmudgeon/

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Christian ratings for different religious groups:
Atheists: 2.9
Christians: 4.41
Buddhists: 3.57
Hindus: 3.51
Jews: 3.81
Muslims: 3.42

Atheist ratings for different religious groups:
Atheists: 3.54
Christians: 3.35
Buddhists: 3.58
Hindus: 3.38
Jews: 3.44
Muslims: 3.18

"As the good lord said 'Love they neighbor as thyself, unless he's Turkish, in which case, KILL THE BASTARD'" - Brian Blessed.

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Big_Nabendu
10/16/23 7:45:54 AM
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Christians shouldn't hate anybody.
Hate the sin. Not the sinner.

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Puelto295
10/16/23 7:50:32 AM
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There's no hate like Christian love.

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texanfan27
10/16/23 7:56:36 AM
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Could argue that atheists are more likely to openly attack a Christian beliefs than the others. Muslims being 2nd also doesnt surprise me, they do split hairs at times.

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ai123
10/16/23 8:01:15 AM
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I'm an atheist, and I find that, a lot of the time, I don't like other atheists much.

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Kitt
10/16/23 8:03:33 AM
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That's not surprising. Extreme Christians seem to hate everybody for some reason or another.

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Guns_of_Verdun
10/16/23 8:04:50 AM
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texanfan27 posted...
Could argue that atheists are more likely to openly attack a Christian beliefs than the others. Muslims being 2nd also doesnt surprise me, they do split hairs at times.
Which is ironic considering how similar most Christian and Islamic beliefs are.

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Southernfatman
10/16/23 8:05:25 AM
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Can see that here in America, but elsewhere...

Big_Nabendu posted...
Christians shouldn't hate anybody.
Hate the sin. Not the sinner.

With a lot of Christians, it's hate the sin and sinner...unless they themselves are doing the sinning then they should be forgiven.

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hockeybub89
10/16/23 8:06:25 AM
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Society has always been extremely biased against non-believers.

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pretzelcoatl
10/16/23 8:43:56 AM
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ai123 posted...
I'm an atheist, and I find that, a lot of the time, I don't like other atheists much.
As an atheist, I find I don't like atheists who make being atheist a core facet of their personalities, the same way I am uncomfortable around people who make their faith the main facet of who they are and what they talk about.

Two sides of the same coin.
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Gritty
10/16/23 8:44:51 AM
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Christians are evil pieces of shit so Im not surprised
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ANort175
10/16/23 8:47:44 AM
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In that survey, Americans were asked to rate people of various religious persuasions on a scale from one to five, with one being very negative and five being very positive.
That sounds like a really fucking dumb survey, like the kind they'd reference on Family Feud.

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10/16/23 9:25:19 AM
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Not surprising. Most of them probably encounter more atheists than people of other religions.

pretzelcoatl posted...
As an atheist, I find I don't like atheists who make being atheist a core facet of their personalities, the same way I am uncomfortable around people who make their faith the main facet of who they are and what they talk about.
The ones that try and convert others to atheism, or try to prove god isn't real are insufferable.
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Cruciferous
10/16/23 9:26:49 AM
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Nobody likes a know it all contrarian after all
atheist or not
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ThyCorndog
10/16/23 9:29:07 AM
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UnfairRepresent posted...
Despite stereotypes of atheists as pugnacious, insular, critical, and/or antitheist, it appears as though they hold less animosity toward Christians than Christians hold toward them, wrote Speed and his colleague, Melanie Brewster of Columbia University, in the academic journal Secularism & Nonreligion.
This is also not surprising at all. Atheists are generally nice people

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Raikuro
10/16/23 9:40:13 AM
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Religious people: *bully everyone into entertaining delusions*

Rational person: Sounds fake tbh

Religious people: OMG I'm being bullied!
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Smackems
10/16/23 9:44:49 AM
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I'm an atheist and atheists are my least favorite

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HylianFox
10/16/23 9:49:58 AM
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The open hatred of atheists is why you see so many "spiritual but not religious" types

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ai123
10/16/23 10:09:00 AM
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pretzelcoatl posted...
As an atheist, I find I don't like atheists who make being atheist a core facet of their personalities, the same way I am uncomfortable around people who make their faith the main facet of who they are and what they talk about.

Two sides of the same coin.
It's the ones who try to 'logic' or 'science' people out of their beliefs that piss me off. As if logic has anything to do with faith. They are just as bad as people who try and 'prove' the existence of god, argue for ID, etc.

They are arrogant enough to think people who are religious somehow lack their intellectual ability, when there are deeply religious people who are vastly more intelligent and capable of 'critical thinking' than they are. Always have been.

I hate the bigotry and violence that accompanies religion I think it should have no place in government or legislation. Beyond that, I think that everyone should be free to believe or not believe, without being subjected to the insufferable, unjustified, superiority of the self-righteous.

(Oh, and the art, music, and architecture produced by religion is great. Would atheism have done as well? Doesn't matter. We are where we are).

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Turbam
10/16/23 10:10:39 AM
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Atheists hate atheists more than Buddhists

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ooger
10/16/23 10:12:08 AM
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The feeling is mutual.

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HylianFox
10/16/23 10:13:19 AM
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The reason for the whole "angry atheist" stereotype is that many of them are ex-whatevers and often have good reason to be angry.

I think that Christianity would fare a lot better if they actually took some of those criticisms to heart, like stop being such fucking hypocrites.

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ironman2009
10/16/23 10:14:58 AM
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proselytizing is a weirdly huge part of christianity. They have to shout at others or they aren't being christian enough

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IceCreamOnStero
10/16/23 10:16:34 AM
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HylianFox posted...
The reason for the whole "angry atheist" stereotype is that many of them are ex-whatevers and often have good reason to be angry.

I think that Christianity would fare a lot better if they actually took some of those criticisms to heart, like stop being such fucking hypocrites.
That and an inherent confirmation bias. You're going to notice militant atheists and atheists pissed about you badgering them with religion talk than you are the tons of atheists they pass by without knowing.

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bfslick50
10/16/23 10:18:56 AM
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UnfairRepresent posted...
Christian ratings for different religious groups:
Atheists: 2.9
Christians: 4.41
Buddhists: 3.57
Hindus: 3.51
Jews: 3.81
Muslims: 3.42

Atheist ratings for different religious groups:
Atheists: 3.54
Christians: 3.35
Buddhists: 3.58
Hindus: 3.38
Jews: 3.44
Muslims: 3.18

Treating the 3's as varying degrees of neutral, my main take-away is Christians default trust each other while Athiests don't trust any group as a whole.

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HylianFox
10/16/23 10:21:32 AM
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I mean, most atheist stuff I read and watch online isn't so much "God doesn't exist" but more "here's how religious folks fail to live up to their own standards and it pisses us off" while at the same time demanding others to live up to said standards

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Dark_Arbron
10/16/23 10:23:37 AM
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HylianFox posted...
I mean, most atheist stuff I read and watch online isn't so much "God doesn't exist" but more "here's how religious folks fail to live up to their own standards and it pisses us off" while at the same time demanding others to live up to said standards

And that it keeps worming its way into legislation.

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HylianFox
10/16/23 10:28:10 AM
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A lot of the outrage comes from the double-standard of "it's okay if we fuck up, but it's not okay if you fuck up"

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Smackems
10/16/23 10:29:40 AM
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bfslick50 posted...
Treating the 3's as varying degrees of neutral, my main take-away is Christians default trust each other while Athiests don't trust any group as a whole.
We're apparently pretty cool with Buddhists

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GrandConjuraton
10/16/23 10:32:01 AM
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I don't hate atheists, personally; just the ones who are hard-core and obnoxious about it.

I can say that for other religions or other Christians too, though. Religion is a topic way too many go too hard in and the results are basically never good.

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UnfairRepresent
10/16/23 10:35:53 AM
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HylianFox posted...
The open hatred of atheists is why you see so many "spiritual but not religious" types
I think that's less to do with "hatred of atheists" and more to do with growing up in a culture that promotes spirutuality at every level of media.

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Rexdragon125
10/16/23 10:51:10 AM
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Yeah their brains always break when I show that there's plenty of evidence that morality is a result of evolution. Animals like rats help each other out of traps, etc. Not our fault leaded gasoline fried the mirror neurons needed for empathy in boomer brains.
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texanfan27
10/16/23 10:52:49 AM
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Guns_of_Verdun posted...
Which is ironic considering how similar most Christian and Islamic beliefs are.

its actually cause those similarities they butt heads. It hits close to home, other religions not not so

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HylianFox
10/16/23 11:48:38 AM
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Regardless of any religion, I am a firm believer in "be good for goodness' sake"

People who are only "good" because they either expect a reward or fear punishment, aren't

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vycebrand2
10/16/23 12:27:37 PM
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ThyCorndog posted...
This is also not surprising at all. Atheists are generally nice people
When interacting with Christians, Atheistism is the Absence of God not morality. They think you cant have one with out the other.

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faizan_faizan
10/16/23 12:40:28 PM
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No surprise. Theists are most offended when they learn that someone not only does not believe in their god, but doesn't believe in any whatsoever.

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Crimson_Corsair
10/16/23 12:45:16 PM
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Gritty posted...
Christians are evil pieces of shit so Im not surprised
It is probably time this account got banned.

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mercurydude
10/16/23 12:47:05 PM
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I used to be an atheist, guess I still might be a de facto one, but anyway... no, it doesn't surprise me. When I was practicing Buddhism, they might make up all sorts of shit about how I worship statues and "zone out" while meditating (meditation is the OPPOSITE of zoning out), but it was nowhere near the vitriol that they reserved for atheists.

There are many of them that would have avowed atheism punishable by death if they could.

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Notti
10/19/23 5:45:09 AM
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I'm a Christian and I like atheists and agnostics a lot. I find they ask the best questions.

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jumi
10/19/23 5:51:41 AM
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UnfairRepresent posted...
Christian ratings for different religious groups:
Atheists: 2.9
Christians: 4.41
Buddhists: 3.57
Hindus: 3.51
Jews: 3.81
Muslims: 3.42

Atheist ratings for different religious groups:
Atheists: 3.54
Christians: 3.35
Buddhists: 3.58
Hindus: 3.38
Jews: 3.44
Muslims: 3.18

Buddhists fucking DOMINATING the ratings.


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UnfairRepresent
10/19/23 6:13:02 AM
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Lisa Simpson putting in work

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CountCorvinus
10/19/23 6:16:12 AM
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The feeling is mutual.


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CountCorvinus
10/19/23 6:35:12 AM
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like sure, youre called a devil worshipper but by the end of it the guy is praying for you and wishing you well

Telling an atheist that you're praying for us is an insult. Keep your unsolicited prayers to yourself. Most of the time what you people really mean is "I'm praying for you [to change]"

"Ultimately, the key factor in considering the unsolicited prayer is the intent of the prayer-sender. If the prayer-sender knows full well that the recipient is a nonbeliever who does not welcome prayer, a message that expressly conveys prayer is a far cry from an act of kindness. Instead, it is an unwelcome message of proselytizing, a selfish gesture that disrespects the recipient. It tells the atheist, in a not-so-subtle way, that her religious views are unacceptable, that she must accept the injection of the senders religious beliefs into her personal trauma. Its like emphasizing to a Jew or a Muslim that youll pray for them in the name of Jesus."

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/our-humanity-naturally/201508/how-pray-atheist

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UnfairRepresent
10/19/23 7:01:29 AM
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I dunno if I'd phrase it in such a douchey way but I confess I get legit uncomfortable when people tell me "I'll pray for you."

By all means pray. I'm not knocking what makes you happy but I find it creepy when you involve me into it.

It's like telling someone you think about them when you jerk off. Dude, just don't.

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Ruvan22
10/19/23 10:18:35 AM
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UnfairRepresent posted...
I dunno if I'd phrase it in such a douchey way but I confess I get legit uncomfortable when people tell me "I'll pray for you."

By all means pray. I'm not knocking what makes you happy but I find it creepy when you involve me into it.

It's like telling someone you think about them when you jerk off. Dude, just don't.

Good point - someone that is now a close friend (Southern Baptist) early on asked if would be okay for to pray for my father who was in the hospital at the time. It showed that she was both recognizing my beliefs and trying to offer support, not trying to change/judge me.
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