Current Events > CEOs seek to blacklist Harvard students who signed pro-Palestinian letter

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Priere posted...

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Doesnt work at all since every time someone complains about being censored for their political beliefs its always a conservative

streamofthesky posted...

Well, just like w/ BLM Chicago and all the other organizations that openly cheered the terrorists murdering civilians....
It's a free country, there's internet. The members who are appalled and want to condemn the comments of their organization and distance themselves from it are welcome to speak up

I just think the corporations shouldn't be asking for a broad list of names of everyone who joined an organization, with the intent to blacklist them from future jobs. They didn't ask for leadership names, they asked for all the names. It's an overreach of power and should be discouraged.

The organization members who don't agree should also disavow the statements, but I tend to put more of an onus of responsibility to actual people in positions of power at a corporation than to students. Should the students who disagree go and contact each of these unnamed CEO's and plead that they weren't consulted or something?

Rika_Furude posted...

Doesnt work at all since every time someone complains about being censored for their political beliefs its always a conservative

Yes...a conservative getting censored and silenced that then goes on Fox news, One America, Newsmax, AM radio shows that are all conservative, Tim pool, Infowars, CNN, Twitter, The Blaze, and the rest of online social media to remind everyone how silenced and censored they are.

Part of the Hasan Minaj controversy was argument over what authenticity in stand up comedy means and whether people should expect exaggeration or falsehoods in standup.

But even then, Minaj's use of identifiable information for the private persons he lied about, and his general presentation of his stories as true, earned him broad criticism from a field that skews left wing. I don't really see the comparison to "alternative facts", the idea of telling fake stories as "emotional truth" is not really accepted by the left, and Bill Maher is practically a center-right conservative these days.

Torgo posted...

That's why horseshoe theory is horseshit. It seeks to equivocate two highly unequal "sides"

Seems like horseshoe theory's well has been poisoned by internet libertarians, going by your description. No, it doesn't seek to do that. By design, it also highlights that there's a point where either side is as far from the other as possible. It was never meant to equivocate any given point of opposing sides, only to describe that increasingly extreme ideals tend to become similar, which is true.

Twitter's extreme left essentially hits the same ad-libs game you'd find with white nationalists, just replace the races and standard they hate to fill in the blanks.

Note that I am not saying twitter's leftward extremes have power comparable to the longstanding white nationalism baked into our corporate fungal network.

Doe posted...

Part of the Hasan Minaj controversy was argument over what authenticity in stand up comedy means and whether people should expect exaggeration or falsehoods in standup.

But even then, Minaj's use of identifiable information for the private persons he lied about, and his general presentation of his stories as true, earned him broad criticism from a field that skews left wing. I don't really see the comparison to "alternative facts", the idea of telling fake stories as "emotional truth" is not really accepted by the left, and Bill Maher is practically a center-right conservative these days.

Yes exactly!

That's the other thing, the left generally across the board, are likely to call out their own and be the harshest critics of those who are supposed to be on the same "side" - sometimes passing judgement too soon or to a fault.

There really is no comparison here other than trying to prop up the right by scrambling to draw a false equivalence between a comedian most of us never head of lying about his past, and the leader of an entire political party lying about everything.

Horseshoe theory as people like to use it on the internet basically boils down to "Hitler was far right and Stalin was far left so you need to be in the middle to not be crazy".

Most charitably, it's a critique of radicalism, or of the belief that the current system is untenable and the just and necessary thing to do is get it replaced. Of course, it happens to be that the people at the top of the horseshoe ('centrists') tend to benefit from the status quo. This is where Horseshoe theory is accurate in one way: radical parties on either side are likely to recruit from the same demographic of socioeconomically disadvantaged people, since the system exploits or doesn't help them.

Horseshoe also lets you smuggle bad beliefs into the realm of moderate "reasonable" beliefs by pointing to an even worse belief in one direction and an opposite belief in the other direction. When a decision is either wrong or right, centrism just tries to be less wrong.

Guide posted...

Twitter's extreme left essentially hits the same ad-libs game you'd find with white nationalists, just replace the races and standard they hate to fill in the blanks.

Imagine pretending there is an equivalent to the broad support for institutional systems of white supremacy, LBGTQ bigotry, misogyny and xenophobia on the left that literally drives the entire aggrievement based right.

Oh look, a dumbass with seven followers on twitter said he broadly blames white people for something bad... quickly paint the entire left with that to provide cover for the flood of bigotry from the top down on the right!

Torgo posted...

Guide posted...

Note that I am not saying twitter's leftward extremes have power comparable to the longstanding white nationalism baked into our corporate fungal network.

I ask in genuine response to have my content read, not merely reacted to.

You remember the day after a tragic terror attack that a small number of leftists went too far in their condemnation of the right wing Israeli government and the Palestian apartheid state, some even claimed the horrific attacks by Hamas were justified...You remember that day and as a leftist it will be branded onto you even if you condemned Hamas and your fellow leftists that went too far, that day shall forever haunt you.

But for the right wing calling for the extermination and ethnic cleansing of the Palestinian territories... it was Tuesday.

Torgo posted...

You remember the day after a tragic terror attack that a small number of leftists went too far in their condemnation of the right wing Israeli government and the Palestian apartheid state, some even claimed the horrific attacks by Hamas were justified...You remember that day and as a leftist it will be branded onto you even if you condemned Hamas and your fellow leftists that went too far, that day shall forever haunt you.

But for the right wing calling for the extermination and ethnic cleansing of the Palestinian territories... it was Tuesday.

Yes. I am not claiming otherwise.

Guide posted...

I ask in genuine response to have my content read, not merely reacted to.

You posted a ridiculous and wholly disingenuous false equivalence. My response was more thoughtful and generous than you deserved.

Torgo posted...

You posted a ridiculous and wholly disingenuous false equivalence. My response was more thoughtful and generous than you deserved.

You literally couldn't read through the thing before you had a kneejerk response, or you would know I did no such thing. Talk about being disingenuous.

Guide posted...

You literally couldn't read through the thing before you had a kneejerk response, or you would know I did no such thing. Talk about being disingenuous.

You posted:

Twitter's extreme left essentially hits the same ad-libs game you'd find with white nationalists, just replace the races and standard they hate to fill in the blanks.

This is just like Bill Maher's awful take on Hasan Minhaj being comparable to Trump... this need to make a both sides where the sides are so lopsided no reasonable person without an agenda to force a both sides narrative can make a valid comparison.

Got to find those outliers and grant them far more power and widespread support than they ever had. In a sense, it's the people claiming to believe in horseshit theory doing most of the signal boosting for these extreme fringe cases.

Not to mention the condemnation culture that the left seems uniquely saddled with... yet somehow we can't bother to expect the right wing to jump through those hoops before giving their unapologetic racist, misogynist, homophobic, transphobic, or pro-genocidal takes.

Torgo posted...

You posted:

Yes, good, you could read one part. The rest of the post shows why I posted that, but I know this game; I end up trying to explain the point of an already clear post and you just ignore that and keep being mad about something I never said.

For the record, I don't think you're being malicious, or at least not in the sense of trolling; I agree with everything you're saying in that last post. Seems like you lose reading comprehension when you get upset.

Any defense of Palestine somehow=pro-hamas. Hamas=/=Palestine. Hamas is a terrorist group holding Palestine hostage. But, it feels like Israel has been given green to go ahead and exterminate the Palestinians.