Current Events > Fox News reporting >40 babies decapitated in Israel. Is this real or not?

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Tom_Joad
10/10/23 11:16:38 PM
#51:


DKBananaSlamma posted...
I cant understand how there were CEmen that didnt know how vile Hamas is >_> I thought it was common knowledge

^^^^
This.

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chaos_knight
10/10/23 11:17:04 PM
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Hamas might have miscalculated this time. They killed citizens from multiple countries, including the US. There might be a united response now, one that puts Palestine as a whole in a somehow far worse situation

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squall567
10/10/23 11:20:02 PM
#53:


The latest information from the IDF did not confirm this so I have no idea anymore.
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hockeybub89
10/10/23 11:29:31 PM
#54:


hyperpowder posted...
maybe its different for you, but Im on the side of not beheading babies
When my options are die, die more horribly, or neither, I choose neither.

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creativerealms
10/10/23 11:30:32 PM
#55:


hyperpowder posted...
maybe its different for you, but Im on the side of not beheading babies
I am not on the side beheading babies but I'm also not on the side using white Phosphorus on civilians.

It's that simple.

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Guide
10/10/23 11:35:29 PM
#56:


creativerealms posted...
I am not on the side beheading babies but I'm also not on the side using white Phosphorus on civilians.

It's that simple.

It is

but I really, really wish his name wasn't hyperpowder rn

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SimulationSwarm
10/10/23 11:35:33 PM
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Yeah so the beheading babies is bullshit huh, go figure

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Sir_Will
10/10/23 11:45:05 PM
#58:


Hamas has absolutely committed atrocities. But more specific things, it's hard to believe unless reporters have seen proof themselves because Israel and Israeli troops are not always trustworthy sources.

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hyperpowder
10/10/23 11:56:14 PM
#59:


hockeybub89 posted...
When my options are die, die more horribly, or neither, I choose neither.


Of course, but Im not going to be like Israel might be the REAL terrorist when you have people legit beheading babies.

Atrocities of war, nobody wins. But there has to be some humanity there.

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DnDer
10/11/23 12:18:40 AM
#60:


streamofthesky posted...
Remember the distant past of like a week ago when people still criticized Israel for walling off and securing their borders with these fucking monsters in human flesh?
In just a matter of hours, they demonstrated EXACTLY WHY such protections are necessary.
Saturday was an example of what Hamas wants to do to all Jews.

I jest of course. Even after this, people will criticize them for not opening their borders.
Because they want this to happen

I'm surprised this post is still up.

Hamas are terrorists, but this post is basically saying all Palestinians are "fucking monsters in human flesh" that need to be walled off.

No distinction is made. It's a bad post, and you should feel bad.

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Torgo
10/11/23 12:25:10 AM
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If Fox reports it, it doesn't autocratically mean it's made up or distorted - but you should always verify anything you see on Fox news with more reputable news sources.

Because Fox will lie or intentionally distort news that run counter to their far-right agenda.

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hockeybub89
10/11/23 12:45:22 AM
#62:


hyperpowder posted...
Of course, but Im not going to be like Israel might be the REAL terrorist when you have people legit beheading babies.

Atrocities of war, nobody wins. But there has to be some humanity there.
Well you're not going to find that humanity between the IDF and Hamas

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Trumble
10/11/23 1:02:58 AM
#63:


hyperpowder posted...
Of course, but Im not going to be like Israel might be the REAL terrorist when you have people legit beheading babies.

Atrocities of war, nobody wins. But there has to be some humanity there.
The point is not "Israel are terrorists and Hamas are not". It's "Israel are also terrorists, just like Hamas".

You should not be on either one's side.

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streamofthesky
10/11/23 1:48:33 AM
#64:


DnDer posted...
I'm surprised this post is still up.

Hamas are terrorists, but this post is basically saying all Palestinians are "fucking monsters in human flesh" that need to be walled off.

No distinction is made. It's a bad post, and you should feel bad.

I specifically said Hamas and never said "Palestinians" in my post.
But I know the Hamas simps have been feverishly hammering the "report" button on every post I make because if they can convince themselves enough through insane clown logic to find offense in something, then it's technically "Offensive" and they can report it!
And they've met w/ mild success, because the moderation on this site is a fucking joke.

Meanwhile, posts from days ago saying "Israel should've never existed", asking, "but why does Hamas want to exterminate Jews, though?" as if there's some reason to justify it, and other vile shit stays up no problem.
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indica
10/11/23 1:48:55 AM
#65:


PballDepot posted...
people need to chill until it's confirmed

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indica
10/11/23 1:49:25 AM
#66:


DnDer posted...
I'm surprised this post is still up.

Hamas are terrorists, but this post is basically saying all Palestinians are "fucking monsters in human flesh" that need to be walled off.

No distinction is made. It's a bad post, and you should feel bad.
Agreed

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luigi33
10/11/23 1:52:35 AM
#67:


hyperpowder posted...
But there has to be some humanity there.
IDF and Hamas are both chaotic evil entities.

Slicing babies' head off is unjustifiably evil.

Setting up an Open Air Prison where the people slowly tormented, beaten, raped, and bombed & murdered over the course of 5 decades is also unjustifiably evil.

I'm normally not a "both sides" kinda guy but this is one of those rare moments where it applies. The true victims in all of this is the Israel and Palestine citizens.

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VFalcone
10/11/23 1:58:37 AM
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I checked the Palestine subreddit and they're pretty outraged about baby story. They say it never happened and that the whole story is propaganda to rile the world up enough so that Palestine will have no allies. They have also been getting instantly banned from subreddits after attempting to refute the story.

I don't know who to trust. They aren't 100% lying about media exposure, that's for sure. It's incredibly hard to find any sources that aren't heavily pro-Israel which means if Palestine civilians are actually telling the truth, there's no way to find out about it and no one in support of Israel is looking to find out either.
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YoBlazer
10/11/23 2:16:43 AM
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Has a reputable news source reported on this? We know that Hamas invaded a music festival and murdered and kidnapped people there. They also seemingly shot and murdered Israelis indiscriminately. These are all reprehensible acts, but where would they have found *40 babies* apart from a children's hospital? If they would have invaded and taken over an Israeli hospital, I feel like it would have been reported all over the news.

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DnDer
10/11/23 2:20:02 AM
#70:


streamofthesky posted...
I specifically said Hamas and never said "Palestinians" in my post.

You didn't say hamas until your second, separate thought in a different paragraph.

Even if you didn't mean it, you can see how it reads, right? The way you constructed that argument was to lump all of Palestine behind the walls and then say something separate and distinct about hamas.

And, given the context that Palestine is walled off because they're Plaestinians and it's not hamas being walled off to isolate the terrorism...

You post was really poorly constructed if it was supposed to be a condemnation solely of hamas' actions.

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ssjevot
10/11/23 2:21:35 AM
#71:


YoBlazer posted...
Has a reputable news source reported on this? We know that Hamas invaded a music festival and murdered and kidnapped people there. They also seemingly shot and murdered Israelis indiscriminately. These are all reprehensible acts, but where would they have found *40 babies* apart from a children's hospital? If they would have invaded and taken over an Israeli hospital, I feel like it would have been reported all over the news.

There is a CNN article but the claim isn't exactly the same:
https://edition.cnn.com/2023/10/10/middleeast/israel-kibbutzim-kfar-aza-beeri-urim-hamas-attack-intl/index.html

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Kinny100
10/11/23 3:00:44 AM
#72:


I'm on the side of peace.

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VFalcone
10/11/23 3:11:47 AM
#73:


Other issues with the story that I hadn't thought of until now:
  • No pictures or videos. Now, nobody who's normal wants to see such content. However, visual media of an atrocity would like that be all over the internet by now. At the moment there's none of that. Unlike every other killing.
  • Hamas has not hidden anything they have done yet, surprisingly (as far as I know anyway). They're an open book when it comes to what they're doing to their victims. Hamas has not claimed any responsibility for the decapitation of babies. Again, unlike with every other killing.
  • Hamas took it upon themselves to post violent videos of their victims' executions onto the internet. There haven't been videos posted of them killing babies.
  • The source is a single person who offered no actual proof. Nobody even knows the guy. It's essentially just a rumor still. No bodies or evidence has actually been recovered.
  • Despite the horrible acts, Israel does have a lot to gain by making Palestine as a whole look bad and make their allies turn on them. After all, Israel has tormented Palestine for a long time and now this is full-scale war. And last but not least...
  • Propaganda is at an ALL-TIME HIGH right now. There are a ton of nasty execution/torture/military destruction videos and pictures being posted on social media with people claiming it's Hamas or Israel when it's actually not connected to either. People are going all out trying to poison narratives. You really need to be careful
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Karovorak
10/11/23 3:24:32 AM
#74:


At this point I would believe it. Maybe not the number, but in general?

We have the video of body the german woman getting defiled and paraded around, I heard about other videos of beheadings (from a trustworthy community), I have seen images from a bloody baby carrier.

You hear accounts from people who were talking on the phones with their relatives, until the contact suddenly broke of.

The only thing that makes it sus is that the Hamas are not celebrating the dead babies forbtheir own propaganda, and the fact that we somewhat expect them to do this is quite telling by itself.

Like, maybe, just maybe, even the Hamas know that showing off baby heads isn't that heroic.

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MistyKnight
10/11/23 3:27:17 AM
#75:


Torgo posted...
If Fox reports it, it doesn't autocratically mean it's made up or distorted - but you should always verify anything you see on Fox news with more reputable news sources.

Because Fox will lie or intentionally distort news that run counter to their far-right agenda.
No

If fox reports it and you're immediately like "is this really what happened?" You can be guaranteed it's not what happened.

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indica
10/11/23 3:34:30 AM
#76:


ssjevot posted...
There is a CNN article but the claim isn't exactly the same:
https://edition.cnn.com/2023/10/10/middleeast/israel-kibbutzim-kfar-aza-beeri-urim-hamas-attack-intl/index.html
Damn. Yeah, these incidents aren't related to the reported "40 babies" which still has not been confirmed and seems unlikely to be, but the massacres mentioned in the article are horrifying, and it's also one of the few I've seen that actually gives a death toll for the people in Gaza as well.

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haloiscoolisbak
10/11/23 3:38:08 AM
#77:


DKBananaSlamma posted...
I cant understand how there were CEmen that didnt know how vile Hamas is >_> I thought it was common knowledge

It's honestly concerning. Like are people being willfully ignorant for clout or something

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majin_nemesis
10/11/23 6:22:35 AM
#78:


YoBlazer posted...
Has a reputable news source reported on this? We know that Hamas invaded a music festival and murdered and kidnapped people there. They also seemingly shot and murdered Israelis indiscriminately. These are all reprehensible acts, but where would they have found *40 babies* apart from a children's hospital? If they would have invaded and taken over an Israeli hospital, I feel like it would have been reported all over the news.
it seems that all countries are reporting the same thing so it would be weird for it not to be true
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brestugo
10/11/23 6:29:47 AM
#79:


DKBananaSlamma posted...
I cant understand how there were CEmen that didnt know how vile Hamas is >_> I thought it was common knowledge

This is a board where people question and complain about "PoL-A-TikS" discussionson a Current Events board. Moronic takes shouldn't be surprising.

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ThyCorndog
10/11/23 6:37:15 AM
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Did this end up getting verified?

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Smashingpmkns
10/11/23 7:01:30 AM
#81:


ThyCorndog posted...
Did this end up getting verified?
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/0/0/1/AAPstsAAE68R.jpg

Nope

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MistyKnight
10/11/23 10:50:01 AM
#82:


https://twitter.com/OrenZiv_/status/1712038436910055925?t=RZKfZ-rm98533-0ibSQtmw&s=19

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Tom_Joad
10/11/23 10:51:18 AM
#83:


Smashingpmkns posted...
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/0/0/1/AAPstsAAE68R.jpg

Nope

No link?

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Strider102
10/11/23 10:51:21 AM
#84:


MistyKnight posted...
https://twitter.com/OrenZiv_/status/1712038436910055925?t=RZKfZ-rm98533-0ibSQtmw&s=19

So as of this moment, until it's confirmed, it's a lie to get people outraged.

EDit: Not that that excuses anything else

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name_unknown
10/11/23 11:45:45 AM
#85:


https://www.cnn.com/middleeast/live-news/israel-hamas-war-gaza-10-11-23/h_a63b0fd57f2df717147ea8e26a2f758c
Babies and toddlers were found with their heads decapitated in Kfar Aza in southern Israel after Hamas attacks in the kibbutz over the weekend, Tal Heinrich, a spokesperson for Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, said on Wednesday.

Heinrich's comments come after the Israel Defense Forces (IDF) told CNN Tuesday that Hamas militants carried out a massacre in Kfar Aza, in which women, children, toddlers and elderly people were "brutally butchered in an ISIS way of action.

The Palestinian Islamic Resistance Movement Hamas has strongly dismissed the false claims promoted by some Western media outlets, such as Palestinian freedom fighters killing children and targeting civilians, Hamas said on its Telegram channel.

Hamas clearly lying don't know why they would deny all the video of them killing civilians and taking children
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Smackems
10/11/23 11:46:48 AM
#86:


Why would they deny it if the point was to send a message

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CADE_FOSTER
10/11/23 11:47:44 AM
#87:


too much fake news in this war xitter isnt helping
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Foppe
10/11/23 12:04:14 PM
#88:


I mean, it is something I can see Hamas do...
...but they would also confirm it, giving them more "credz".

Much happened, and much misinformation was spread, both by mistake and on purpose.

I can also see Israel spreading lies just to paint Hamas worse than what they are, just to justify their counterattacks.

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CADE_FOSTER
10/11/23 12:12:04 PM
#89:


foxnews is a known liar they lost a billion dollars cuz of lying
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SayHeyyShohei
10/11/23 12:16:04 PM
#90:


hockeybub89 posted...
"Both sides are terrorists" is not defending Hamas

But "bombing civilians (including children) isn't as bad as beheading children" certainly looks like defending the Israeli government

When you look at two serial killers, you shouldn't support one because "At least he didn't torture the victims". No need for moral relativism. You don't need to pick a side.


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SayHeyyShohei
10/11/23 12:17:31 PM
#91:


VFalcone posted...
Other issues with the story that I hadn't thought of until now:
* No pictures or videos. Now, nobody who's normal wants to see such content. However, visual media of an atrocity would like that be all over the internet by now. At the moment there's none of that. Unlike every other killing.
* Hamas has not hidden anything they have done yet, surprisingly (as far as I know anyway). They're an open book when it comes to what they're doing to their victims. Hamas has not claimed any responsibility for the decapitation of babies. Again, unlike with every other killing.
* Hamas took it upon themselves to post violent videos of their victims' executions onto the internet. There haven't been videos posted of them killing babies.
* The source is a single person who offered no actual proof. Nobody even knows the guy. It's essentially just a rumor still. No bodies or evidence has actually been recovered.
* Despite the horrible acts, Israel does have a lot to gain by making Palestine as a whole look bad and make their allies turn on them. After all, Israel has tormented Palestine for a long time and now this is full-scale war. And last but not least...
* Propaganda is at an ALL-TIME HIGH right now. There are a ton of nasty execution/torture/military destruction videos and pictures being posted on social media with people claiming it's Hamas or Israel when it's actually not connected to either. People are going all out trying to poison narratives. You really need to be careful

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Antifar
10/11/23 12:38:58 PM
#92:


Useful thread here
https://bsky.app/profile/sheeraf.bsky.social/post/3kbibmqp4m32d

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SayHeyyShohei
10/11/23 12:45:14 PM
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Antifar posted...
Useful thread here
https://bsky.app/profile/sheeraf.bsky.social/post/3kbibmqp4m32d

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radical_rhino
10/11/23 12:47:26 PM
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This was so obviously war propaganda Im amazed so many of you fell for it.

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VFrench1966
10/11/23 12:49:19 PM
#95:


I'm not really believing anything I read right now on that War.
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El_Marsh
10/11/23 1:39:31 PM
#96:


radical_rhino posted...
This was so obviously war propaganda Im amazed so many of you fell for it.
Neither the idea of atrocity nor the spread of misinformation should come as a surprise to anybody who has followed previous armed conflicts (or have read detsilef historical accounts of warfare). Perhaps it's an unfortunate admission but I didn't really have much of a reaction to the idea of mutilated children because I have seen photos of mutilated children from previous conflicts. I fully expect atrocities like mass rape, torture, mutilation, etc., in every armed conflict, just like I expect people to manipulate the existence of these things to garner support for various personal agendas. In case nobody has noticed, war is a thoroughly abhorrent affair.

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kelemvor
10/11/23 1:42:35 PM
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I saw a picture of a baby bassinet with blood smeared on the bottom. I don't need the morgue photographs to know Hamas are butchers, thank you. There is already video evidence of what they did to civilians at the music festival.

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streamofthesky
10/11/23 1:45:32 PM
#98:


kelemvor posted...
I saw a picture of a baby bassinet with blood smeared on the bottom. I don't need the morgue photographs to know Hamas are butchers, thank you. There is already video evidence of what they did to civilians at the music festival.
Indeed. I love how a CNN article was posted confirming it and they're still in denial:

name_unknown posted...
https://www.cnn.com/middleeast/live-news/israel-hamas-war-gaza-10-11-23/h_a63b0fd57f2df717147ea8e26a2f758c
Babies and toddlers were found with their heads decapitated in Kfar Aza in southern Israel after Hamas attacks in the kibbutz over the weekend, Tal Heinrich, a spokesperson for Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, said on Wednesday.

Heinrich's comments come after the Israel Defense Forces (IDF) told CNN Tuesday that Hamas militants carried out a massacre in Kfar Aza, in which women, children, toddlers and elderly people were "brutally butchered in an ISIS way of action.

The Palestinian Islamic Resistance Movement Hamas has strongly dismissed the false claims promoted by some Western media outlets, such as Palestinian freedom fighters killing children and targeting civilians, Hamas said on its Telegram channel.

Hamas clearly lying don't know why they would deny all the video of them killing civilians and taking children

It's just such an odd fucking battle line to draw, in any case. "Yes, we know for sure that Hamas kidnapped and murdered women, children, and the elderly. But I don't think Hamas would kill those children by beheading, that's just not like them...."
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Akuryu
10/11/23 1:50:57 PM
#99:


I've seen so much horrible video from the last few days, that whether or not this particular story is true is kind of irrelevent.
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CADE_FOSTER
10/11/23 1:58:50 PM
#100:


Akuryu posted...
I've seen so much horrible video from the last few days, that whether or not this particular story is true is kind of irrelevent.
no it matters the most putting out lies to justify the response is very important truth matters always
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