Current Events > why dont people really care about Ukraine?

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I feel like if those absolutely destroyed towns and cities were happening in France or somewhere like that then people would be making a way bigger deal. Seems like people just pretend its not happening, head in the sand stuff

The longer it draws on, the less people far away from it will actively care, unfortunately. Somewhat like Iraq, except people were largely cheering for the invasion of Iraq at the beginning.

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And then when people stopped caring a while later, it turns out a number of those rich people who claimed to put up support actually rescinded.

Because its been going on forever in the modern news cycle. The front has also been at quite a standstill for a while and there is no sign of things changing soon.

I think it mostly depends on how engaged a country is with the global community, at least concerning media and goods. We get a lot more from France than we do from Ukraine. If Japan came under attack, you best fucking believe the weebs would fund their defense.

As time drags on and the news focus shifts away from it to more recent stories, politics, and headline grabbers people just move on when its half a world away and doesnt directly impact them.

Go to any major news outlet and you have to dig and put effort into finding stories about it. Its not headline news anymore. Thats just how things are in the dedicated 24/7 news era.

Former war mongers rolling in their graves missed out on their military atrocities because there wasn't tiktok or Taylor to distract the masses.

Ukraine fatigue is despicable. Then again, ppl won't care if Putin marches on Berlin in 2029 if they can pay under $35 to fill their gas tanks.

Time and Distance and then the proportional volume of representation and the power to create influence. A lot of people gave a huge shit about this. Some places still have flags up stateside.

People like to moral check things, and not actually do something about it themselves. BLM, Iraq war, Native Americans. People care, but care enough to be on the front lines of each issue? Let's be honest, no. Part of it is because when it comes to keeping up with their own lives, especially with families, they can't afford. The UN has thrown a lot more than the regular populous ever could, even if we want to argue whether or not they're doing enough.

solosnake posted...

I feel like if those absolutely destroyed towns and cities were happening in France or somewhere like that then people would be making a way bigger deal. Seems like people just pretend its not happening, head in the sand stuff

Ha, so true! Not only that though this is draining our second top adversary. For relatively low cost we can severely weaken the Russian regimes capabilities. I know people in the intelligence community and Military and they were afraid of war with Russia. Now, not as likely.

Guide posted...

I think it mostly depends on how engaged a country is with the global community, at least concerning media and goods. We get a lot more from France than we do from Ukraine. If Japan came under attack, you best fucking believe the weebs would fund their defense.

I think the China-Taiwan question is hovering over all continents. That will immediately shock & awe the global economy into a disaster. I think China just wants to take over the South China Sea without invasion, & well, that's happening right now already... they've physically blockaded Philippine fishing boats from entering certain water zones.

Americans have never liked spending money on a forever war with no end plan

AngelsNAirwav3s posted...

Americans have never liked spending money on a forever war with no end plan

the plan is to retake crimea and drive out russia from ukraine

Nobody cares about eastern Europe.
Sad really

If Ukraine joined NATO before this they'd get more support.

I don't even think they're allowed to join atm because no one wants to go to war with Russia.

Short attention span combined with people not really knowing where Ukraine exactly is located.

Americans have always been like this. They were okay with the Nazis doing their thing during WW2 until they were attacked.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/6/2/4/AAQq-jAAE534.jpg

short attention span, mostly

-oh look, a squirrel!

ZaruenKosai posted...

the plan is to retake crimea and drive out russia from ukraine

Like a said, a forever war unless we start sending some real weapons and troops over there

In Europe you have pro-Russia political parties in power in two countries now. In America the pro-Russia portion of the GOP had got enough influence to stop aid to Ukraine. So as more people become useful idiots for Putin it will become harder to sustain support for Ukraine in the West. Atrocities and civilians dying isn't unique to Ukraine and is easily ignored in many other countries, so care for Ukraine is dependent on Western media to convince people to care. Since a portion of that media is pro-Russia it become hard to maintain that support.

Not too much the average person can do, is there? I certainly vote to keep supporting Ukraine because fuck Putin.

But yeah, fatigue is certainly a factor. Same reason why so many of us are dulled to news about mass shootings. They're no less horrific, but eventually you get emotionally exhausted at it all.

Not that it's any comfort for the victims in all of this.

If anything, I think the American response to Ukraine from the average citizen to be more than what I expected, considering prior i would have guessed maybe 2/5 could even find it on a map.

solosnake posted...

I feel like if those absolutely destroyed towns and cities were happening in France or somewhere like that then people would be making a way bigger deal. Seems like people just pretend its not happening, head in the sand stuff

I'm not arguing against this or anything. Totally agree. I'm just as complacent as the rest of the lot.

I watch reports every day for Ukraine. U.S has spent over 100 billion dollars for Ukraine. Then there's the rest of the world. Israel, and it's attacks in the middle east, it's business with Armenia, Lebanon, Yemen. U.S still supplies weapons around those areas. There's sooo much more that I'm absolutely clueless on, for which, and that whom are supporting, this side, and that. Geopolitical fares.

It's intense, Ukraine is bad, real bad. But there's plenty to go around. It would take me at least a lifetime to understand each and everyone's side. Which about sums it up for me.

Only half of Dem voters support sending arms to Ukraine.

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/us-public-support-declines-arming-ukraine-reutersipsos-2023-10-05/

While U.S. public backing for the arms shipments has persistently been stronger among Democrats since Russian troops invaded, the recent decline in overall support was driven by changing views among Biden's Democrats.


Some 52% of Democrats backed arming Ukraine in the most recent poll, down from 61% in May. Among Republicans, support for sending weapons to Kyiv fell to 35% from 39% in May.


Some 34% of Democrats in the poll agreed with a statement that Ukraine's problems "are none of our business and we should not interfere," compared to 56% of Republicans.

Why don't people care about Sudan? ( -_-)

Uhhh people care too much

Its a big world with a lot of stuff going on. Everyone cant care about everything all the time. Especially the negative stuff.

When it inevitably escalates people will care again.

indica posted...

Why don't people care about Sudan? ( -_-)

Because either side or the other winning doesn't mean a future incursion with other democratic nations on that continent.
Piling money into a war with Russia is better than piling soldiers.

AngelsNAirwav3s posted...

Like a said, a forever war unless we start sending some real weapons and troops over there

it's not a forever war, Ukraine is winning and russia doesn't have the resources to continue for much longer and if this continues for much longer Russian people might revolt

before the war, most americans couldn't even locate ukraine on a map. most americans didn't even know ukraine was near or related to russia.

and how are americans benefiting? we're not. so no one cares. that's the sad reality of it. the only "benefit" we got, as a country, was realizing that one of our greatest rivals wasn't as strong and scary as predicted.

but americans care way more about celebrities and social media companies than actual people, countries, and lives. that's just a fact.

majin_nemesis posted...

it's not a forever war, Ukraine is winning and russia doesn't have the resources to continue for much longer and if this continues for much longer Russian people might revolt

People were saying this would be over in a few months. It can go on for much longer than you think.

AngelsNAirwav3s posted...

a forever war unless we start sending some real weapons and troops over there

On that I can agree.

The whole world should have put boots down to defend ukraine before the invasion even started when it was still a rumour.
This is a world war in all but name, the only difference is that ukraine is the only one fighting it this time.
Imagine if in 1939, everyone said , we wont do anything to stop hitler and germany.

I hate that nuclear weapons has turned the world into a giant puddle of cowards.
We all know if Russia didnt have nuclear weapons, they would have been wiped out by NATO and EU long ago.

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1337toothbrush posted...

People were saying this would be over in a few months

The Russians, mostly.

1337toothbrush posted...

People were saying this would be over in a few months. It can go on for much longer than you think.

It goes on as long as it takes to make Ukraine safe and remove Russia froma ALL of its territory. (That includes Luhanks, Donbas, and Crimea)

It can all be over in weeks/months.

Ukraine can not stop fighting, they are fighting for their survival. If they stopped now, Russia would literally genocide them all.

Sure the west can stop supporting and funding Ukraine and than watch Russia obliterate over 30 million people and than move on to the next country and rinse/repeat. Back in 1939, if people let hitler do whatever he wanted for fear of reprecussion, we would not be living in the same world we live in today.

it's still not over?

One something happens over and over in the media cycle people care less and less to the point where maybe you get 24 hours of caring about the tragedy.

We see this in the US with mass shootings. After a day or two no one mentions it until the next mass shooting happens.

archizzy posted...

As time drags on and the news focus shifts away from it to more recent stories, politics, and headline grabbers people just move on when its half a world away and doesnt directly impact them.

Go to any major news outlet and you have to dig and put effort into finding stories about it. Its not headline news anymore. Thats just how things are in the dedicated 24/7 news era.

It is directly impacting us here though. Too bad people are too dumb to see it or read about it.

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I think a big part of the issue is that there's not a definitive idea of success to a lot of people, along with how long it has been going on for. It makes it hard to understand how Ukraine is supposed to win. Or at least what a win looks like.

Is it just kicking Russia out? How will that work if Russia can just wait a few years and then attack again? Why not attack Russia directly? A lot of people also probably see this as a forever war without some direct answers to those questions.

majin_nemesis posted...

it's not a forever war, Ukraine is winning and russia doesn't have the resources to continue for much longer and if this continues for much longer Russian people might revolt

Ignoring that 1) Russia can field bigger losses due to their population and equipment advantage; 2) the war did not dent Putin's popularity in Russia, and in fact increased it; 3) the 2023 Ukrainian counteroffensive has slowed to a crawl, with less than 500 square miles has changed hands

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2023/09/28/world/europe/russia-ukraine-war-map-front-line.html

Fenriswolf posted...

Ignoring that 1) Russia can field bigger losses due to their population and equipment advantage; 2) the war did not dent Putin's popularity in Russia, and in fact increased it; 3) the 2023 Ukrainian counteroffensive has slowed to a crawl, with less than 500 square miles has changed hands

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2023/09/28/world/europe/russia-ukraine-war-map-front-line.html

If you can't tell the truth about the 1989 Tiananmen Square massacare its unlikely you'll tell the truth about Russia and Ukraine

Wandering__Hero posted...

If you can't tell the truth about the 1989 Tiananmen Square massacare its unlikely you'll tell the truth about Russia and Ukraine

So you're calling The New York Times and Statista liars?

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2023/09/28/world/europe/russia-ukraine-war-map-front-line.html
https://www.statista.com/statistics/896181/putin-approval-rating-russia/

Not surprising coming from the one that wants to drop Agent Orange on the Kremlin and trigger a global war LMAO.

People can only care about stuff for so long. It was shocking at first generating lots of concern. And then Ukraine was kicking Putin's ass for a long time which kept it interesting. But now it's kinda just become another nightly news cycle without a lot of change.

Not to say we shouldn't care. Just that human nature gets in the way of worying about stuff on the other side of the world for too long.

Russia

equipment advantage

LO fucking L given that we see that fold like a cheap suit in real time.

What does it mean to care?

GranAures posted...

LO fucking L given that we see that fold like a cheap suit in real time.

Quantity, not quality, which is why Ukraine needs Western weapons to even the playing field.

Equipment advantage? Technologically? Nope. They don't have an answer to HIMARS, for example. Advantage in numbers? Maybe. For now.
I mean, this is not not often brought up, but Ukraine eliminating over a dozen Russian artillery pieces per day for the past few months has enabled Ukraine to establish artillery parity, if not superiority, in some sectors of the front.

GuerrillaSoldier posted...

before the war, most americans couldn't even locate ukraine on a map. most americans didn't even know ukraine was near or related to russia.

and how are americans benefiting? we're not. so no one cares. that's the sad reality of it. the only "benefit" we got, as a country, was realizing that one of our greatest rivals wasn't as strong and scary as predicted.

but americans care way more about celebrities and social media companies than actual people, countries, and lives. that's just a fact.

I love how, according to some people here, everyone in the world except Americans have the entire global political map memorized. I d be willing to bet, before the war, most people couldnt locate Ukraine on a map. Do you think the average Colombian can, or what about North Koreans, or Kiwis?