Current Events > Alice Cooper the latest aging rock star to say dumb shit about trans people

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Every single thing he said was completely reasonable and was a far cry from the bigoted evangelicals who hate gays and trans people because of the Bible. The only reason that anyone thinks that what he said was transphobic is because they have been living in an online bubble.

Every single thing he said was completely reasonable

Well, I can see somebody really taking advantage of this, though. A guy can walk into a womans bathroom at any time and just say, I just feel like Im a woman today and have the time of his life in there, and hes not in the least bit Hes just taking advantage of that situation. Well, thats going to happen. Somebodys going to get raped, and the guys going to say, Well, I felt like a girl that day, and then I felt like a guy. Where do you draw this line?

So I say let somebody at least become sexually aware of who they are before they start thinking about if theyre a boy or a girl.

That makes no sense. Does Alice Cooper know that rape is already illegal?

Someone is going to have the "time of their life" in the bathroom? Really?

Even phrasing raping as "the time of your life" is fucked up. It's like Alice Cooper thinks everyone thinks raping is fun but, realistically knows, we need laws to stop that.

It's just so fucked up. Its like he thinks most people are Alex from a clockwork orange.

How dare a celebrity say controversial shit!

Guess I have to go break all of my Alice Cooper CDs now

"It's just a fad" they said that about gay people too. Cause you know, being hated by a majority of people is a big fad. You know what's a fad? Alice Cooper was a fad.

If you have to break your CDs, pull a pro-gamer move...

Burn your music files to have them digitally, then you can smash your CDs to virtue signal for clout like so many others do...

I mean, he has a point, the problem is that it is the same point that haters repeats so it is impossible to bring up without being classified as anti-trans.
Transgenders are real and have existed for a long time so I am not denying it.
But there is a group of people that got other kinds of problems. They have tried different stuff and then they hear about transgenders. They google it and read about the symptoms and they are dead sure that they are transgenders. They convince themself that once they get a sexchange, everything will be fine. Life will be perfect.
It doesnt.
This is the mentioned fad. The social network they built up during their road to transition gets crushed because they are being seen as traitors in the transgender community. We have even seen that here when Sayoria left the whole website when DarkRoast said that she no longer was a transman.
So it exist a problem, but people acts like we live in a black and white world where confessing that the problem even exists means that all transgenders are tricked into believing that they are something they are not.

I mean, he has a point, the problem is that it is the same point that haters repeats so it is impossible to bring up without being classified as anti-trans.
Transgenders are real and have existed for a long time so I am not denying it.
But there is a group of people that got other kinds of problems. They have tried different stuff and then they hear about transgenders. They google it and read about the symptoms and they are dead sure that they are transgenders. They convince themself that once they get a sexchange, everything will be fine. Life will be perfect.
It doesnt.
This is the mentioned fad. The social network they built up during their road to transition gets crushed because they are being seen as traitors in the transgender community. We have even seen that here when Sayoria left the whole website when DarkRoast said that she no longer was a transman.
So it exist a problem, but people acts like we live in a black and white world where confessing that the problem even exists means that all transgenders are tricked into believing that they are something they are not.

Burn your music files to have them digitally, then you can smash your CDs to virtue signal for clout like so many others do...

What the fuck TC? Why would you post a giant article and not include a snippet of the thing you're trying to talk about? This should be a bannable offense.

Who owns CD's anymore?

Now we are seeing Gender Affirming Care for kids talked about and it's kind of a shock. We're old and scared of changes!

I'll admit, I have an 8 year old son and am not really comfortable with gender being a topic for him to worry about. That's my prejudice and I will own up to it. Like I said earlier, I am trying to learn more about it. I feel that older people feel a similar way, to us it's new because we never knew or understood what trans people were or were going through.

Please, I am open for friendly discussion on this and not looking to start a flame war. I'd love to hear the perspective of trans people and their experiences to help me better understand it all.

I'm slightly younger than you (36) and also barely knew what being trans was growing up (my understanding as a child was basically "some men have surgery to make them women"). After quite a bit of internal denial and then struggling, I realized I was and came out as nonbinary about a year ago, and I can promise you that kids who aren't cis do have to worry about it regardless of how much they're told. In fact they have to worry way more about it if they aren't aware of what they're going through. I remember having intense feelings of sadness as a preschooler over being consigned to gender roles I never chose and my belief that there was absolutely nothing I could do to change them. I suppressed them as completely as I could and never told anyone, but the pain they were causing me was still there and there are plenty of things I recognize as being caused by it in retrospect. As a young adult I knew transwomen and transmen existed, since I didn't specifically want a female body (I was AMAB) I still didn't realize I wasn't cis since nonbinary identities were still out of my radar.

So basically, not knowing about gender issues and that they can talk to people and make changes in how they identify if the gender they were assigned at birth is hurting them absolutely can harm children and has been all along. It isn't something you can just tell them to wait until they're an adult to think about.

transgenders

How dare a celebrity say controversial shit!

Guess I have to go break all of my Alice Cooper CDs now

Silence of the Lambs even passively covered this issue over 30 years ago...

There are some folk who are hopping on the trans train for clout and fame, while others are doing so because they believe transitioning is an answer to their problems real or imagery...

Transitioning is similar to abortion where we glorify the process but the harsh issues that come with that decision on the person making them are generally ignored...not to mention its been weaponized by both sides as a "with us or against us" idea..

Wont work. Id be cancelled for even listening to his songs on the radio now.

Who is saying you need to destroy your Alice Cooper records?

"It's just a fad" they said that about gay people too. Cause you know, being hated by a majority of people is a big fad. You know what's a fad? Alice Cooper was a fad.

From my perspective and I presume it may be the same to many other older folks is this. Back "in the day" there were no trans people (obviously untrue). Growing up, we had gay people sure, but no one was trans. It wasn't even a term used, with the closest term being transvestite (media didn't really portray them in a good light) but no one actually was one of THOSE PEOPLE.

You are not allowed to be against trans people. It literally is with them or against them and you've picked your side. The blood is on your hands. What the fuck is even another side? Is there a middle ground on people with red hair? A middle ground on left handedness? Why the fuck do you hate trans people?

Homophobia and transphobia should be viewed no differently than white supremacy.

You need to personally find a trans person who is suffering in a Christian family in the south and tell them all about how trans is a fad and both sides are wrong. Maybe some perspective would help you grow a fucking heart.

So the idea of letting them decide to put the breaks on puberty because of how they identify is going to sound crazy to most people. It's an alienating issue for even otherwise liberal people.

Kids dont decide that, they are evaluated by doctors who make the decision.

Well, yes. Supporting trans people sounds sketchy to the folks that want to push that children are walking into clinics to get puberty blockers, hormones, and GRS purely on their own judgment to ban gender affirming care.

You are not allowed to be against trans people. It literally is with them or against them and you've picked your side. The blood is on your hands. What the fuck is even another side? Is there a middle ground on people with red hair? A middle ground on left handedness? Why the fuck do you hate trans people?

Homophobia and transphobia should be viewed no differently than white supremacy.

You need to personally find a trans person who is suffering in a Christian family in the south and tell them all about how trans is a fad and both sides are wrong. Maybe some perspective would help you grow a fucking heart.

I mean, there are actual detransitioners who attest to that basically being the case, despite everyone's insistence that it's just a myth. These people came from somewhere though. Unless you think they are transitioning and then detransitioning on purpose as some sort of false flag operation.