Current Events > self-checkout is proven actually slower than human checkout

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The actual checkout part of self checkout takes longer, but due to lines, the entire process of self checkout is typically faster

WingsOfGood posted...

there you go again with weird mental gymnastics

Automating everything is the best case scenario for the common man. And concern trolling about "the corporation gets free labor" is nonsense when they're already not paying people in the first place!

Having more human cashiers at Walmart isn't sticking it to the corporate bottom line. They already view their workers as cattle. The shit wages they pay are a drop in the bucket.

If we're talking about wishful thinking, I don't want people to get paid well being cashiers. I don't want people to be cashiers. There shouldn't be anyone working for those corporations. Automate it all.

Gotta give you credit TC, there's a lot of obnoxious people on CE and you consistently give the worst ones a run for their money.

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The Kroger I work at has 12 self-checkouts and usually 2 registers open at a time... 1 person running both self-checkouts and 2 people running the registers... and the self-checkout rarely has lines while the regular checkout sometimes does...

Also if you're spend 6+ minutes at the self-checkout, you're going slow (maybe unless you filled your cart completely)...

random_man9119 posted...

The Kroger I work at has 12 self-checkouts and usually 2 registers open at a time..

Same at my Kroger.

hockeybub89 posted...

Automating everything is the best case scenario for the common man. And concern trolling about "the corporation gets free labor" is nonsense when they're already not paying people in the first place!

Having more human cashiers at Walmart isn't sticking it to the corporate bottom line. They already view their workers as cattle. The shit wages they pay are a drop in the bucket.

If we're talking about wishful thinking, I don't want people to get paid well being cashiers. I don't want people to be cashiers. There shouldn't be anyone working for those corporations. Automate it all.

You argue this as you support the dudes who are against UBI and mock people for being lazy and not wanting to work getting MORE cuts of the profit.

You are literally cutting off your nose to spite your face by not admitting this is what it is, them firing their workers and having you do the work unpaid.

Murphiroth posted...

Gotta give you credit TC, there's a lot of obnoxious people on CE and you consistently give the worst ones a run for their money.

people hate being wrong sorry if me being right comes of that way to you

but it takes time for people realize they are wrong and change and take all the time you need

Others said it, but lines tend to be shorter at a check out, so...

If a line with a human attendee is shorter, yeah, I'll opt for that line.

One line feeding into six checkouts means that the average person would have to be six times slower than a cashier to wait in line for the same amount of time.

WingsOfGood posted...

You argue this as you support the dudes who are against UBI and mock people for being lazy and not wanting to work getting MORE cuts of the profit.

You are literally cutting off your nose to spite your face by not admitting this is what it is, them firing their workers and having you do the work unpaid.

They can find another job, it may even be at the same store. As self checkouts rise grocery pickup is also rising. My wife and I put together a combined order from the store, set a pick up time so that I can just roll up and have them roll the cart out to my car and toss the groceries into my trunk.

That actually saves me a significant amount of time running through the aisles in some cases looking for very specific items.

random_man9119 posted...

The Kroger I work at has 12 self-checkouts and usually 2 registers open at a time... 1 person running both self-checkouts and 2 people running the registers... and the self-checkout rarely has lines while the regular checkout sometimes does...

Also if you're spend 6+ minutes at the self-checkout, you're going slow (maybe unless you filled your cart completely)...

The Walmart Supercenter I go to used to have about 18 assisted checkout lines and have since changed 15 of those into 60 self-checkout lines. It's absolutely amazing. Shopping is a breeze. In and out every time. Much quieter too, and no more bullshit.

It depends on whether you know how they operate. Most have their own quirks and you have to learn them. I can checkout way faster at the self checkout.

Also, you have to factor in the time spent standing in the one line open as everyone uses coupons and does everything humanly possible to slow things down

Even if it somehow isn't actually faster, you act like that matters a whole lot. The time difference surely is negligible, and using a self-checkout provides other conveniences that going down a regular checkout would. Using the grocery store I work at as an example, there are 18 self-checkouts and all 18 are almost always open. There is never any line except during the busiest times on the busiest days. The self-checkouts are also closer to the exit than the other registers. I know my store might be an anomaly regarding the sheer amount of self-checkouts there are, but even at places where the self-checkout experience is less smooth, I'd still likely take that over a standard register. Is it actually a few seconds slower? Maybe. But I don't have to interact with anyone and generally don't need to wait in any lines.

WingsOfGood posted...

You argue this as you support the dudes who are against UBI and mock people for being lazy and not wanting to work getting MORE cuts of the profit.

You are literally cutting off your nose to spite your face by not admitting this is what it is, them firing their workers and having you do the work unpaid.

How is more people working at Walmart going to functionally change anything?

"Haha take that, CEO! Now it will take 2 hours longer for you to make enough to buy your next beach house! Surely this will convince you and all your cohorts of the error of your ways!"

It's gotta be funny when you ask the restaurant to fork the food into your mouth, though. No unpaid labor!

Also, I guess you're okay with forcing people with social anxiety into unnecessary social interactions. Their stress is a small sacrifice to topple capitalism!

Corporations are inherently immoral. You cannot fix them, so liberate everyone from working for them.

ChocoboMog123 posted...

On the otherhand, Disney's fastpass is a great example of failed capitalism: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9yjZpBq1XBE
That video really digs into the math and benefits of various theme park fast pass systems and how paid fast passes have large negative impacts on the average park goer.

I can't believe I watched a 2 hour video on that. But it was good.
Bruce's original Fast Pass was a good idea. Then Iger and modern Disney fucked it up in literally every possible way to squeeze more money out of guests.

streamofthesky posted...

Human checkout is obviously faster.
You have a much larger area to unload your groceries to scan w/ a damn conveyor belt to move them along, and a person to ring them up as you're unloading them, and help w/ bagging afterwards.

(I have seen self-checkouts that use the entire aisle a human cashier would, but usually they're these small compact stations; even if you do have the same space, it's objectively 2 people vs. 1, and one of the people is a trained/experienced employee that can look up produce codes and such faster than you)

The ONLY reason to use self-checkout over human is because everyone else (outside of CE, apparently....holy shit that Bill Burr topic's responses were like the damn Twilight Zone) knows this too, so the human checkouts always have a line of people. If it's a line of people w/ a lot of stuff and I don't have much, I'll use self-checkout.
Otherwise, human is usually faster.

DarkAssassin89 posted...

Self checkouts are great. Ive never seen a line for them at the grocery store I go to. The ones with cashiers always have a line on the other hand.

...LMFAO

Jiek_Fafn posted...

We are apparently the only people that live in areas where these exist. We're from the future.

Really though. Are portable scanners that rare in the US? They're the standard in grocery stores where I live.

Everybody here talking about scanning all their stuff one by one at a self-checkout register. No shit that's going to be slower if you have to unpack en repack a full cart.

Hornezz posted...

Really though. Are portable scanners that rare in the US? They're the standard in grocery stores where I live.

Everybody here talking about scanning all their stuff one by one at a self-checkout register. No shit that's going to be slower if you have to unpack en repack a full cart.

You used to be able to do this via your phone where I work, but they discontinued it because they blamed the system for an increase in theft.

Atralis posted...

They can find another job, it may even be at the same store. As self checkouts rise grocery pickup is also rising. My wife and I put together a combined order from the store, set a pick up time so that I can just roll up and have them roll the cart out to my car and toss the groceries into my trunk.

That actually saves me a significant amount of time running through the aisles in some cases looking for very specific items.

Not the point.

The people actively against the UBI future and keep wages low profit immensely from self chrckout.

It is important to admit to yourself and remind them you are working for free.
This influences policy such as taxing these profits to fund UBI.

Thinking self checkout is good for society is indeed anti-worker, anti-UBI , opposite of progress.

hockeybub89 posted...

Corporations are inherently immoral. You cannot fix them, so liberate everyone from working for them.

We don't disagree.
You seem to think I want more people working for Walmart, I don't.

I want exploited people to realize exploitation and call it out.

If it makes them huge profits tax it and give UBI.

Hornezz posted...

Really though. Are portable scanners that rare in the US? They're the standard in grocery stores where I live.

Everybody here talking about scanning all their stuff one by one at a self-checkout register. No shit that's going to be slower if you have to unpack en repack a full cart.

I think it's just not advertised well here. The only place I've been to where you can't miss it is Sam's Club. A large amount of grocery stores by me have it but you wouldn't know. You just download an app to your phone instead of using a scanner they have in store to use. Like Walmart has one, but you need to be a Walmart+ member or something

1. Self checkout is cheaper than assisted checkout.
2. I would not pay someone to checkout my groceries for me if there is an alternative where I can check out my own easily using a self checkout.
3. Less cash spent on cashiers means cheaper goods in general

I know the response. "But the corporations aren't going to pass those savings on to you because evil corporations bad".

You are essentially claiming that basic economic concepts are invalid because you don't understand them and instead the world runs on mean people doing mean things because of feelings. I can't change your mind with rational arguments if you reject basic economic concepts in favor of conspiracy theories.

Atralis posted...

Less cash spent on cashiers means cheaper goods in general

Hahahah

Good one

Atralis posted...

I know the response. "But the corporations aren't going to pass those savings on to you because evil corporations bad".

Cahsiers came first

They eliminated them

So the lowered prices right?

Right?

OH

The only reason it isn't faster is because you have to lift out 1 item at a time. You give the option to make self checkouts like a regular checkout and it would be a much better comparison.

Self checkouts are a hell of a lot easier to look shit up on as well. Regular cashes from my experience of 6 years you have to remember the damn product code or look it up in a binder. Because for whatever reason self checkouts use a different interface than regular cashier interfaces. Because F you, that's why. Why wouldn't you want your employees to have an easy time checking in items.

Sorry, went off on a tangent.

When you lower overhead costs you dont reduce income to even it out lol

Fucking Gamefaqs and its buggy ass state deleting my pokst mid type.

But it can be both like Irony says. Problem with the slower aspects is idiots bring full carts or are too stupid to use technology

Ivany2008 posted...

Because for whatever reason self checkouts use a different interface than regular cashier interfaces. Because F you, that's why. Why wouldn't you want your employees to have an easy time checking in items.

Probably using 20 year old machines?

TimeForAction posted...

When you lower overhead costs you dont reduce income to even it out lol

You pocket the profit and shit on the people you fired.
Almost like letting these places profit off this is further away from the goal of a automated society with UBI and all that.

Instead those "replaced" employees gotta find other work cause they get shit on by the ruling class who just increased the price of food for the 3rd time that year despite lowered costs.

I don't use self checkout because it doesn't help a cashier get a paycheck.

So the board is in a self checkout arc now?

I wonder how many more topics about this were going to get

WingsOfGood posted...

Cahsiers came first

They eliminated them

So the lowered prices right?

Right?

OH

Technological and logistical advances made in the past have in fact led to lower prices for consumers.

Self checkout also has an item limit, so you won't be stuck behind people with overflowing carts like you would in a regular line.

Atralis posted...

Technological and logistical advances made in the past have in fact led to lower prices for consumers.

So why groceries still going up?

Cheater87 posted...

I don't use self checkout because it doesn't help a cashier get a paycheck.

Shocking because neither does using the cashier since thats not how pay is calculated.

Dat_Cracka_Jax posted...

Wrong. You tried to use a coupon at a self check lane

Yeah. Dont do that.

Ill usually do self checkout when I just have a few items and dont wanna talk to a cashier

WingsOfGood posted...

So why groceries still going up?

Because the price of food has gone up. Grocery stores buy food and sell food.

ablegator posted...

Yeah. Dont do that.

So how you gonna go full self checkout when they can't even do coupons?
Abd have item limits?

Atralis posted...

Because the price of food has gone up. Grocery stores sell food.

Bro

ablegator posted...

Yeah. Dont do that.

Same thing can happen at regular check outs.

Hell dont get me started if you dare hand a cashier a check. On a retail worker experience fuck anyone who gave me a damn check. We live in a time where those are more pain in the asses then its worth using.

WingsOfGood posted...

Bro

He's right.

Gobstoppers12 posted...

He's right.

Price of food went up cause grocer charged more.
I asked why the grocer charged more when costs decreased.

WingsOfGood posted...

So how you gonna go full self checkout when they can't even do coupons?
Abd have item limits?

Most are 20 items or less because the more items you bring the slower you can use them.

Baha05 posted...

Most are 20 items or less because the more items you bring the slower you can use them.

Interesting

WingsOfGood posted...

Interesting

Its not unless you are like so sheltered that you never seen a self check out in person.

Baha05 posted...

Its not unless you are like so sheltered that you never seen a self check out in person.

It is interesting in regard to the argument being made.
People swear back in forth about the speed and yet the limits basically admit the opposite.