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08/16/23 6:01:49 PM
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refmon
08/16/23 7:17:59 PM
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https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/trans-gender-chess-players-lose-titles-biological-birth-jhfdckm0c

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Intro2Logic
08/16/23 7:18:37 PM
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Are men smarter than women?

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BunkerBoy
08/16/23 7:19:01 PM
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This is satire, right?

I can't possibly imagine a biological advantage males have for chess
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Lillymon
08/16/23 7:21:54 PM
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Intro2Logic posted...
Are men smarter than women?
TERFs certainly seem to think they are.

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EndOfDiscOne
08/16/23 7:23:22 PM
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BunkerBoy posted...
This is satire, right?

I can't possibly imagine a biological advantage males have for chess
I saw a Reddit thread about it once and people said that men actually do have a biological advantage. Something to do with spatial reasoning.

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Nukazie
08/16/23 7:24:56 PM
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there's a gender division in chess tournaments?

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Kimbos_Egg
08/16/23 7:25:25 PM
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BunkerBoy posted...
This is satire, right?

I can't possibly imagine a biological advantage males have for chess

its more that (apparently) they feel more at ease playing females only rather than males/trans.

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Kimbos_Egg
08/16/23 7:25:33 PM
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Nukazie posted...
there's a gender division in chess tournaments?

Kimbos_Egg posted...
its more that (apparently) they feel more at ease playing females only rather than males/trans.


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Heavy_D_Forever
08/16/23 7:33:36 PM
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I read into this and apparently women can enter any regular men's tournament. A sperate Women Only series was created because some women felt uncomfortable playing against males due to sexism and other issues. Trans women are now banned from that Women Only series.

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COVxy
08/16/23 7:33:49 PM
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What a weird way to frame "chess has always been an extremely sexist sport that pushed women out".

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Squall28
08/16/23 7:35:35 PM
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Why are men's numbers so much better than women's then?

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Vicious_Dios
08/16/23 7:36:44 PM
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Atralis
08/16/23 7:40:28 PM
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How do you even type those words out without realizing its BS? What planet are you living on?
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flussence
08/16/23 7:48:46 PM
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The only correct response is to sandbag the female league with transmasc entrants, like that one Italian pageant

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xGhostchantx
08/16/23 7:54:17 PM
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No paywall:

https://archive.is/TtYKH

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Shadowplay
08/16/23 8:08:57 PM
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There's potentially a male advantage because, on average, men have much greater visual-spatial ability, while women have greater verbal ability. That means that the typical man can visualize things and move objects around in his head more clearly and easily than the typical woman can. Again, this is just the average; there are indeed women that have greater visual-spatial ability than most men and most women. And for all we know, women may be able to use some sort of alternate strategy when playing chess as opposed to picturing all the possible moves in their head.

The explanation of having a women's league due to comfortability or something of that nature makes a lot of sense, though, and I wouldn't be surprised if women participating in chess had nothing to do with these average differences in cognitive ability. And for all we know, trans women might skew towards the average verbal and visual-spatial ability of ciswomen.

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Robot2600
08/16/23 8:10:23 PM
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Shadowplay posted...
There's potentially a male advantage because, on average, men have much greater visual-spatial ability, while women have greater verbal ability. That means that the typical man can visualize things and move objects around in his head more clearly and easily than the typical woman can. Again, this is just the average; there are indeed women that have greater visual-spatial ability than most men and most women. And for all we know, women may be able to use some sort of alternate strategy when playing chess as opposed to picturing all the possible moves in their head.

The explanation of having a women's league due to comfortability or something of that nature makes a lot of sense, though, and I wouldn't be surprised if women participating in chess had nothing to do with these average differences in cognitive ability. And for all we know, trans women might skew towards the average verbal and visual-spatial ability of ciswomen.

this is horse shit.

it's 100% cultural. society rewards boys for playing chess and punishes girls. the end.

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Kimbos_Egg
08/16/23 8:11:54 PM
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Robot2600 posted...
this is horse shit.

it's 100% cultural. society rewards boys for playing chess and punishes girls. the end.

No, what you posted. Thats horseshit.

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Questionmarktarius
08/16/23 8:12:54 PM
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why?
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St0rmFury
08/16/23 8:13:02 PM
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Atralis posted...
How do you even type those words out without realizing its BS? What planet are you living on?
It's Zangulus.

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Plumeofdusk
08/16/23 8:14:30 PM
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I think it's because women have brains more suited to detecting colors and patterns from when we were evolving in the nomadic days. From like, berry picking and stuff. So the checkerboard pattern is probably a bit disorienting for them? You never seen checkerboard patterns out in the wild. Males would have an innate advantage over them in chess because of that
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UndefeatedGOAT
08/16/23 8:15:36 PM
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Shadowplay posted...
There's potentially a male advantage because, on average, men have much greater visual-spatial ability, while women have greater verbal ability. That means that the typical man can visualize things and move objects around in his head more clearly and easily than the typical woman can. Again, this is just the average; there are indeed women that have greater visual-spatial ability than most men and most women. And for all we know, women may be able to use some sort of alternate strategy when playing chess as opposed to picturing all the possible moves in their head.

The explanation of having a women's league due to comfortability or something of that nature makes a lot of sense, though, and I wouldn't be surprised if women participating in chess had nothing to do with these average differences in cognitive ability. And for all we know, trans women might skew towards the average verbal and visual-spatial ability of ciswomen.

i was going to quote you and say that this is obvious and just statistics, but the post below you was violently disagreeing for no reason

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Robot2600
08/16/23 8:17:59 PM
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it's not my job to fucking educate you.

go listen to the Botez sisters or Anna Cramling or any other woman master instead of coming up with "theories"

you literally know nothing about chess

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DKBananaSlamma
08/16/23 8:19:20 PM
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Why is there male and female categories of Chess ?

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Gobstoppers12
08/16/23 8:20:08 PM
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^ what the fuck @ post #26?

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voldothegr8
08/16/23 8:21:03 PM
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I didn't know chess had sex divisions, seems a bit archaic considering it's a game.

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Questionmarktarius
08/16/23 8:21:17 PM
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Gobstoppers12 posted...
^ what the fuck @ post #26?
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ShineboxPhil
08/16/23 8:21:56 PM
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Why are there even separate divisions for men and women in chess?

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Robot2600
08/16/23 8:22:23 PM
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DKBananaSlamma posted...
Why is there male and female categories of Chess ?

tl;dr to encourage women to play

why? society treats women chess players like absolute shit, and encourages competition in children in a highly gendered way. why are the best gymnasts women? we reward that in a girl and punish a boy, even through microaggressions, for the same thing.

chess was historically HIGHLY GENDERED, women were assaulted, excluded, mocked and harassed in chess clubs for 100+ years

so, yes, NOW,

that's why we have the women's league.

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Robot2600
08/16/23 8:25:23 PM
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also there aren't divisions, people misunderstand:

almost everyone plays in the "open" categories

women, additionally, can play in women's-only events.

it's important to note, there are fucking shittons of chess events all the time, all over the world

the women's league is more of a side-thing because the international governing body (FIDE) wants to actively encourage women to play chess.

WHEN we have achieved gender equality THEN the WOMEN of chess can decide to get rid of their women's league.

everyone else: literally stop acting like you suddenly give a shit about women's chess.

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Robot2600
08/16/23 8:26:53 PM
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also, obviously trans women should be able to play in the women's events.

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DKBananaSlamma
08/16/23 8:26:54 PM
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What was post 26? >_>

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Giblet_Enjoyer
08/16/23 8:27:00 PM
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Gobstoppers12 posted...
^ what the fuck @ post #26?
That person's saying all kinds of things you're not supposed to say, aren't they.

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Kimbos_Egg
08/16/23 8:28:54 PM
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Robot2600 posted...
why are the best gymnasts women?

..are you really this ignorant that you don't even know men and womens gymnastics are completely different?

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Questionmarktarius
08/16/23 8:30:27 PM
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Robot2600
08/16/23 8:31:53 PM
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Kimbos_Egg posted...
..are you really this ignorant that you don't even know men and womens gymnastics are completely different?

are you gonna pretend to be so oblivious to the obvious fact that society says it is much more acceptable for a woman to be a gymnast than a man.

everyone know Simone Biles.

literally no one knows a single male gymnast.

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Kimbos_Egg
08/16/23 8:32:22 PM
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Robot2600 posted...
are you gonna pretend to be so oblivious to the obvious fact that society says it is much more acceptable for a woman to be a gymnast than a man.

everyone know Simone Biles.

literally no one knows a single male gymnast.

Just because you don't know them doesn't mean nobody does.

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Tig
08/16/23 8:32:52 PM
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Robot2600 posted...
are you gonna pretend to be so oblivious to the obvious fact that society says it is much more acceptable for a woman to be a gymnast than a man.

everyone know Simone Biles.

literally no one knows a single male gymnast.
You do talk a lot of fucking trash.

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PissedOffMonk
08/16/23 8:33:43 PM
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The women probably got tired of all the chess/chests jokes during competitions so they wanted their own league.
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Robot2600
08/16/23 8:33:56 PM
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yes i am not nice

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Priere
08/16/23 8:34:40 PM
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What is the highest level female chess players number compared to Magnus?

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Kimbos_Egg
08/16/23 8:35:32 PM
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Robot2600 posted...
why are the best gymnasts women? we reward that in a girl and punish a boy, even through microaggressions, for the same thing.

like, what is even the relevance in this stupid ass diatribe? "women are the best gymnasts" and "literally no one knows a single male gymnast." Therefore society is sexist against women? What??

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HylianFox
08/16/23 8:36:05 PM
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Robot2600 posted...
literally no one knows a single male gymnast.

my bff was a gymnast

granted, he didn't pursue it as a career, but he could have

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