Current Events > voice actors are fucking PISSED about AI stealing their voices

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i really hope this leads to them being able to sue

not just the ppl who make the technology but any one uploading those fucking videos

I genuinely hope that we get some level of legal protection of our voice out of this.

People shouldn't just use it for public showing. Really that simple.

Everyone in Hollywood is pissed off about something right now.

we're going to have to go to the DMV app every 5 years and update our vocal scan

Curious how this will go in the future with ever-increasing technology. If someone can generate an approximation of someone's voice without the utilization of samples, will they have a case? If someone makes a similar but distinct voice, will they have a case? All this AI stuff is a very messy can of worms.

Governments really be dragging their heels regulating AI, to the absolute detriment of everyone.

Nemu posted...

Curious how this will go in the future with ever-increasing technology. If someone can generate an approximation of someone's voice without the utilization of samples, will they have a case? If someone makes a similar but distinct voice, will they have a case? All this AI stuff is a very messy can of worms.

its far worse than that

imagine if say when we catch corruption on video if the news just reports "its a deep fake" even if its not a deep fake

the truth its self is in danger with this technology

Should Troy Baker be able to sue Matt Mercer for copying his voice for the roles Matt took over when Troy got too pricey?

Automation has been taking away manual labor jobs for over a century, only now is it doing something that effects art jobs more. Some people who smugly said "learn to code" a few years ago are quickly changing their tune now that automation is effecting them. Saying a voice can be owned is a nebulous concept, people have been imitating people forever. Hell, a lot of times voice actors are replaced with someone who sounds similar.

The biggest issue is our terrible economic system that is not prepared for the potential of a lot of people losing their jobs. We really will need to implement something along the lines of basic income.

YellowSUV posted...

Automation has been taking away manual labor jobs for over a century, only now is it doing something that effects art jobs more. Some people who smugly said "learn to code" a few years ago are quickly changing their tune now that automation is effecting them. Saying a voice can be owned is a nebulous concept, people have been imitating people forever. Hell, a lot of times voice actors are replaced with someone who sounds similar.

The biggest issue is our terrible economic system that is not prepared for the potential of a lot of people losing their jobs. We really will need to implement something along the lines of basic income.

basic income is a band-aid on a fucking decapitation

YellowSUV posted...

Automation has been taking away manual labor jobs for over a century, only now is it doing something that effects art jobs more. Some people who smugly said "learn to code" a few years ago are quickly changing their tune now that automation is effecting them. Saying a voice can be owned is a nebulous concept, people have been imitating people forever. Hell, a lot of times voice actors are replaced with someone who sounds similar.

The biggest issue is our terrible economic system that is not prepared for the potential of a lot of people losing their jobs. We really will need to implement something along the lines of basic income.

you really dont get it do you

first of all automation is not what is even happening here

this is people having their voices stolen adn then used to say things they never said

this is a violation of a persons very self

Eh, fan videos and mods are whatever. Not like they were getting money off fan stuff before and not like this stops them from getting future work. They should be worried when the companies themselves do this, definitely need to make sure the contract doesn't screw them over.

xlr_big-coop posted...

Eh, fan videos and mods are whatever. Not like they were getting money off fan stuff before and not like this stops them from getting future work. They should be worried when the companies themselves do this, definitely need to make sure the contract doesn't screw them over.

no fan content is NOT what ever as they DO profit it off it those videos have ads alot of the time

and even beyond that its still taking a persons voice with out permission

xlr_big-coop posted...

I'm ok with people making AI recreations of people's voices and making them say things they never would

golly why would you say that

AceMos posted...

you really dont get it do you

first of all automation is not what is even happening here

this is people having their voices stolen adn then used to say things they never said

this is a violation of a persons very self

A company or person using an AI voice because it is cheaper than hiring a real person is automation.

The link you posted at the start of this topic just redirects to Twitters main page so it could be helpful if you explained what the link said.

YellowSUV posted...

A company or person using an AI voice because it is cheaper than hiring a real person is automation.

The link you posted at the start of this topic just redirects to Twitters main page so it could be helpful if you explained what the link said.

no it does not link to the main page it links to a trending phrase voice actors are saying

what is happenign is AI is copying ppls voices and then having them say things they did not say

it is legit theft of a persons own voice

I think the work around would be, to copy their voice up to 90% accuracy and then just argue is a voice that's similar but not the actual voice.

And then just spam this 'Any resemblance to actual events or locales or persons, living or dead, is entirely coincidental.'

Cobra1010 posted...

I think the work around would be, to copy their voice up to 90% accuracy and then just argue is a voice that's similar but not the actual voice.

we dont need a fucking work around we need to stop this technology

AceMos posted...

we dont need a fucking work around we need to stop this technology

No, we don't. Stop trying to hinder progress and technology.

Raikuro posted...

Should Troy Baker be able to sue Matt Mercer for copying his voice for the roles Matt took over when Troy got too pricey?

This isn't even close to being the same thing

AceMos posted...

it is legit theft of a persons own voice

and yet it's allowed to roam the internet of all places

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Wonder if it'll take some deep fake of a world leader that actually causes some shit for any regulations to come about.

Smashingpmkns posted...

Wonder if it'll take some deep fake of a world leader that actually causes some shit for any regulations to come about.

and by then it will be to late

IMO, there is nothing inherently wrong with AI Voices. However, the means of acquiring said AI Voices is problematic. If there was a way that your voice could only be used with given consent, that'd be perfectly fine IMO.

Caelthus posted...

IMO, there is nothing inherently wrong with AI Voices. However, the means of acquiring said AI Voices is problematic. If there was a way that your voice could only be used with given consent, that'd be perfectly fine IMO.

I mean they could easily find a sound alike that isn't as experienced and get them to sign away their voice rights. For example, say Matt Mercer sells his voice to AI, then that AI is used for all Troy Baker roles, is Troy Baker's voice really being stolen if his name isn't being credited to the AI?

Nemu posted...

Curious how this will go in the future with ever-increasing technology. If someone can generate an approximation of someone's voice without the utilization of samples, will they have a case? If someone makes a similar but distinct voice, will they have a case? All this AI stuff is a very messy can of worms.

I don't see how that's any different to soundalike (human) voice actors. As long as they're not claiming it's actually the person it's mimicking, I don't think there'd be a leg to stand on.

AceMos posted...

no it does not link to the main page it links to a trending phrase voice actors are saying

what is happenign is AI is copying ppls voices and then having them say things they did not say

it is legit theft of a persons own voice

And automation is a theft of workers' arms, and a degradation of their rights as workers as they are no longer needed as such.

The chickens have come home to roost, Champagne Socialists -- they're coming for your jobs now, and you think us working class will defend you?
After the absolute disdain you showed when automation came for our jobs? I even remember further back... I used to be a weaver, but in 1850 when the automatic loom came, none of you were there to defend me.

Klaus343 posted...

And automation is a theft of workers' arms, and a degradation of their rights as workers as they are no longer needed as such.

The chickens have come home to roost, Champagne Socialists -- they're coming for your jobs now, and you think us working class will defend you?
After the absolute disdain you showed when automation came for our jobs? I even remember further back... I used to be a weaver, but in 1850 when the automatic loom came, none of you were there to defend me.

was this post written by a AI

AceMos posted...

and by then it will be to late

You're literally grifting. Where was your outrage when it comes to automation replacing workers, or content creators making money from Akira toriyamas work for profit(t shirts, merchandise)

@acemos

Caelthus posted...

IMO, there is nothing inherently wrong with AI Voices. However, the means of acquiring said AI Voices is problematic. If there was a way that your voice could only be used with given consent, that'd be perfectly fine IMO.

This is largely where I land on it. If someone sells voice rights for the use in AI, go for it but otherwise it's theft.

AceMos posted...

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i really hope this leads to them being able to sue

Its inevitable that a lawsuit will happen, they will demand royalties.

https://www.marketplace.org/2014/11/24/who-gets-money-made-dead-celebrities/amp/

There is already established framework of this.
https://twitter.com/NicholasJLevi/status/1525172396830994433?s=20

AI is the future, being able to create a lot of products without having to pay people for it? In theory one person could create music, games, scripts for various tv shows, films, tv ads, various web shows, porn and publish books without ever having to go through the hassle of paying physical actors, voice actors, directors, writers and all that other stuff.

since most of you are using adblock you don't realize all those funny AI voice videos on youtube actually have adverts and the youtuber is profiting off AI voices.

Beveren_Rabbit posted...

since most of you are using adblock you don't realize all those funny AI voice videos on youtube actually have adverts and the youtuber is profiting off AI voices.

ok boomer

By the way, how's that writer's strike going?

I literally just found out that Erica Lindbeck went silent on social media because someone or a group used her voiced for AI, and when she confronted them about it they harassed her

Wtf

tremain07 posted...

By the way, how's that writer's strike going?

stop harassing voice actors.

Is this because of the Skyrim mod thing? Pretty sure those dudes who make the mods have no money to be sued for.

Nemu posted...

Curious how this will go in the future with ever-increasing technology. If someone can generate an approximation of someone's voice without the utilization of samples, will they have a case? If someone makes a similar but distinct voice, will they have a case? All this AI stuff is a very messy can of worms.

I think so?
I dunno... if I make a movie (let's say hands drawn or CG animation) with likeness of famous actors/actress in the role, would they have a case against me?
What if they weren't actors/actresses but just famous people (politicians, athletes)?
What if they were just normal people I saw off the street?

There must be a precedence for this (well, for the visual variation).

Yeah we're gonna see people having to protect their voice (probably face as well) through copyright sooner rather than later. Weird situation but it is needed.

AI is the future, being able to create a lot of products without having to pay people for it? In theory one person could create music, games, scripts for various tv shows, films, tv ads, various web shows, porn and publish books without ever having to go through the hassle of paying physical actors, voice actors, directors, writers and all that other stuff.

We are getting dangerously close to the point that AI will replace so many jobs that the majority of humanity has no purpose other then how much" Amusement" they can give there masters.

Its already gotten to the point where more and more careers charisma matters more then anything and no matter what you do all that matters is" how many clicks you get." We are running into a point where someone's only worth is entirely how fun you are, and there are a good chunk of folks who think AI will make it so that " stupid awkward pepole will no longer have any worth so lets purge the world to keep it " pure".

It could get really ugly as only the" Soldiers" the " programmers" and a few other pepole will have any worth and everyone else will just be left to live to suffer till they are thrown out.

I remember when the attitude was: "In the future, automation will replace all the menial jobs and we'll all be spending our time in leisure and making art"

Now that art turns out to not be immune from automation, there's a huge uproar. The root problem is and always has been capitalism.

Punished_Blinx posted...

Yeah we're gonna see people having to protect their voice (probably face as well) through copyright sooner rather than later. Weird situation but it is needed.

Oh lobbying will make sure only the corporations will have the ability to copyright whatever they create using AI the average person won't be allowed that power.

Necronmon posted...

We are getting dangerously close to the point that AI will replace so many jobs that the majority of humanity has no purpose other then how much" Amusement" they can give there masters.

Its already gotten to the point where more and more careers charisma matters more then anything and no matter what you do all that matters is" how many clicks you get." We are running into a point where someone's only worth is entirely how fun you are, and there are a good chunk of folks who think AI will make it so that " stupid awkward pepole will no longer have any worth so lets purge the world to keep it " pure".

It could get really ugly as only the" Soldiers" the " programmers" and a few other people will have any worth and everyone else will just be left to live to suffer till they are thrown out.

Sounds bleak but that's exactly where it's gonna go, Automation and AI will be capable of doing a lot of things and as such the competition for the remaining jobs will be fierce, this is also a net gain for corporations because with a job pool that full of people it means they can lower wages, regulations, probably won't even have to provide insurance or obey OSHA regulations in the future, oh and let's not forget the rollback of child labor laws

so what happens when AI takes over most of our jobs? will we finally have to no longer work?

Beveren_Rabbit posted...

so what happens when AI takes over most of our jobs? will we finally have to no longer work?

People don't have to live miserable lives slaving away for the corporation anymore?

do we just get free money?! there will no longer be a use for money!