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Slayer_22
04/21/23 4:34:46 AM
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Kang is interesting, but considering what happened in Quantumania...how exactly are we supposed to think of him as a threat? This was a dude a council of Kanga sent away, he was serious business. And Ant-Man beat him.

Now they're probably gonna replace Majors due to this whole scandal.

Sucks.

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Glob
04/21/23 4:35:49 AM
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Thanos was not even a good villain, he just had a slow build.
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ZevLoveDOOM
04/21/23 4:36:14 AM
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they better nail the Dr. Doom casting for the inevitable Fantastic 4 movie. he could be the next big baddie of the MCU!
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Slayer_22
04/21/23 4:38:24 AM
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Glob posted...
Thanos was not even a good villain, he just had a slow build.
Disagree. I think he was well written, and his writing resulted in the best MCU movie that isn't No Way Home.

ZevLoveDOOM posted...
they better nail the Dr. Doom casting for the inevitable Fantastic 4 movie. he could be the next big baddie of the MCU!
Doom...yeah, if they nail that casting, and get some good writing? I would LOVE Doom. Then in the future, God Emperor Doom!

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SomeLikeItHoth
04/21/23 4:38:57 AM
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ZevLoveDOOM posted...
they better nail the Dr. Doom casting for the inevitable Fantastic 4 movie. he could be the next big baddie of the MCU!
Bring back Julian McMahon!

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ChrisReeve
04/21/23 4:40:31 AM
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Dr. Doom and Magneto, but only if they don't fuck it up. I don't have a ton of faith that they won't fuck it up though.

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Zikten
04/21/23 4:41:55 AM
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They should have Magneto and Dr Doom form an alliance. Imagine having to fight both of them at the same time. That could be interesting
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Gobstoppers12
04/21/23 4:51:27 AM
#8:


Glob posted...
Thanos was not even a good villain, he just had a slow build.
Thanos was an amazing villain. Even without the buildup, he has the presence, charisma, power, and motive that makes a villain great.

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Smashingpmkns
04/21/23 5:15:15 AM
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Magneto is easily a more compelling character than Thanos, and if the introduction of the Xmen is done right it could revitalize the entire MCU. But I have zero faith in it as of right now and I think they're gonna fumble big time.

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Glob
04/21/23 5:17:51 AM
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Gobstoppers12 posted...
Thanos was an amazing villain. Even without the buildup, he has the presence, charisma, power, and motive that makes a villain great.

Slayer_22 posted...
Disagree. I think he was well written, and his writing resulted in the best MCU movie that isn't No Way Home.

I disagree wholeheartedly. Im not sure where you get the impression hes well written or has a decent motive. Hes as deep as a puddle. Also, I wouldnt even put No Way Home in the top half of the MCU.
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Glob
04/21/23 5:18:17 AM
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Smashingpmkns posted...
Magneto is easily a more compelling character than Thanos, and if the introduction of the Xmen is done right it could revitalize the entire MCU. But I have zero faith in it as of right now and I think they're gonna fumble big time.

I completely agree.
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Gobstoppers12
04/21/23 5:18:25 AM
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Glob posted...
I disagree wholeheartedly
Shut the fuck up

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Smashingpmkns
04/21/23 5:21:44 AM
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No Way Home really did kinda suck. People were so enamored with the returning actors that they looked past the fact that the opportunity was completely wasted on a garbage story.

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Nazanir
04/21/23 5:28:33 AM
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Glob posted...
I disagree wholeheartedly. Im not sure where you get the impression hes well written or has a decent motive. Hes as deep as a puddle. Also, I wouldnt even put No Way Home in the top half of the MCU.
Infinity War Thanos was well written. Endgame Thanos sucked.

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Glob
04/21/23 5:29:27 AM
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Gobstoppers12 posted...
Shut the fuck up

Id recommend that if you cant handle people disagreeing with what you post, you should probably refrain from doing so.

Theres no need to be uncivilised just because I dont like what you like.
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Glob
04/21/23 5:33:00 AM
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Nazanir posted...
Infinity War Thanos was well written. Endgame Thanos sucked.

Genuine question, what was so good about Thanos in Infinity War? I mean, he was a perfectly serviceable device to move the plot forward and was a credible threat, but his motivations still seem laughable to me. I just dont see any depth to him at all, which isnt inherently terrible in a comic book film, but I dont see why some people like him so much.
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Slayer_22
04/21/23 5:53:38 AM
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Smashingpmkns posted...
Magneto is easily a more compelling character than Thanos, and if the introduction of the Xmen is done right it could revitalize the entire MCU. But I have zero faith in it as of right now and I think they're gonna fumble big time.
In the comics, sure. Thanos is terrible in the comics.

But in the movies? Thanos is fantastic. And Magneto could be too! But I don't see him being an immediately huge threat so quickly.

Glob posted...
I disagree wholeheartedly. Im not sure where you get the impression hes well written or has a decent motive. Hes as deep as a puddle. Also, I wouldnt even put No Way Home in the top half of the MCU.
If you say so. Agree to disagree.
Glob posted...
Genuine question, what was so good about Thanos in Infinity War? I mean, he was a perfectly serviceable device to move the plot forward and was a credible threat, but his motivations still seem laughable to me. I just dont see any depth to him at all, which isnt inherently terrible in a comic book film, but I dont see why some people like him so much.
He was charismatic, made people believe in what bullshit he was trying to peddle. He's obviously insane, as is his motivations. A lot of people think villains need to make sense, but...honestly? They don't. A good villain can make sense and give the protagonist a reason to doubt themselves. A great villain will make others follow him, make viewers question the heroes, even though his motivations and his reasons for doing so are absolutely inane and nonsense.

He's a cult of personality in of himself. He does all these evil things, he's an evil man, but he's so forthright in his conviction that you can't help but wonder if he's right. You see things though his eyes, he's right in his own mind. He's got personality and charm, and it pushes his motivations to a level where you can actually see why people follow him.

Shit, Joker is another example. Joker's motivations make no sense whatsoever. In TDK, he is literally just...causing Chaos. His end goal is to die at Batman's hands. He will not see the fruits of his labor. But people love him because he has that charisma that pulls you in. Sure, his plan doesn't make sense. But it doesn't have to. He doesn't have to.

It's a compelling watch. And Thanos, imho, is a well written villain. For that reason and more.

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Punished_Blinx
04/21/23 5:56:41 AM
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Smashingpmkns posted...
No Way Home really did kinda suck. People were so enamored with the returning actors that they looked past the fact that the opportunity was completely wasted on a garbage story.

Opportunity for what? Green Goblin?

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Poorly
04/21/23 6:23:44 AM
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SomeLikeItHoth posted...
Bring back Julian McMahon!


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Glob
04/21/23 7:05:17 AM
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Slayer_22 posted...
In the comics, sure. Thanos is terrible in the comics.

But in the movies? Thanos is fantastic. And Magneto could be too! But I don't see him being an immediately huge threat so quickly.

If you say so. Agree to disagree.

He was charismatic, made people believe in what bullshit he was trying to peddle. He's obviously insane, as is his motivations. A lot of people think villains need to make sense, but...honestly? They don't. A good villain can make sense and give the protagonist a reason to doubt themselves. A great villain will make others follow him, make viewers question the heroes, even though his motivations and his reasons for doing so are absolutely inane and nonsense.

He's a cult of personality in of himself. He does all these evil things, he's an evil man, but he's so forthright in his conviction that you can't help but wonder if he's right. You see things though his eyes, he's right in his own mind. He's got personality and charm, and it pushes his motivations to a level where you can actually see why people follow him.

Shit, Joker is another example. Joker's motivations make no sense whatsoever. In TDK, he is literally just...causing Chaos. His end goal is to die at Batman's hands. He will not see the fruits of his labor. But people love him because he has that charisma that pulls you in. Sure, his plan doesn't make sense. But it doesn't have to. He doesn't have to.

It's a compelling watch. And Thanos, imho, is a well written villain. For that reason and more.

I think youre right that we have to agree to disagree. I see what youre saying for Joker, but I just cant see it in Thanos. He always came across to me as an unlikeable idiot who just happened to be very powerful.
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Slayer_22
04/21/23 7:42:06 AM
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Glob posted...
I think youre right that we have to agree to disagree. I see what youre saying for Joker, but I just cant see it in Thanos. He always came across to me as an unlikeable idiot who just happened to be very powerful.
Fair enough. He isn't called the Mad Titan because he's angry lol.

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Poorly
04/21/23 7:48:19 AM
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Slayer_22 posted...
Fair enough. He isn't called the Mad Titan because he's angry lol.
Domingo is called crazy8

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Slayer_22
04/22/23 8:15:33 AM
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Bump

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HornyLevel
04/22/23 8:19:31 AM
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The leaked rumor for Quantumania's Kang was that

Major possible spoilers ahead.

He would return as Beyonder Kang.

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Raikuro
04/22/23 8:24:40 AM
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Magneto would have to be more like Loki than a big bad, someone that's an ally sometimes. Apocalypse is more big bad material.
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bloodyarts
04/22/23 8:35:27 AM
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SomeLikeItHoth posted...
Bring back Julian McMahon!
Hell no! Oh wait, you were being sarcastic.

Right?
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Slayer_22
04/22/23 4:27:24 PM
#27:


Raikuro posted...
Magneto would have to be more like Loki than a big bad, someone that's an ally sometimes. Apocalypse is more big bad material.
I can agree with this. Though, he COULD end up being a total big bad.

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FortuneCookie
04/22/23 4:31:51 PM
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Thanos is just a bland knockoff of Darkseid. The MCU has already had better.
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Gobstoppers12
04/22/23 5:06:11 PM
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FortuneCookie posted...
Thanos is just a bland knockoff of Darkseid. The MCU has already had better.
Who in the MCU is better than Thanos? Also yeah, he's a knockoff of Darkseid, but Darkseid rules.

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Delirious_Beard
04/22/23 5:08:49 PM
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people calling thanos "well-written" just says a lot about the absolutely embarrassing writing of MCU villains

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Gobstoppers12
04/22/23 5:09:43 PM
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Delirious_Beard posted...
people calling thanos "well-written" just says a lot about the absolutely embarrassing writing of MCU villains
Which cinematic villain would you say is better written?

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SwayM
04/22/23 5:10:48 PM
#32:


Nazanir posted...
Infinity War Thanos was well written. Endgame Thanos sucked.

This is a ridiculous take.

Its the same character at different points of his life.


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FortuneCookie
04/22/23 5:12:14 PM
#33:


Gobstoppers12 posted...
Who in the MCU is better than Thanos? Also yeah, he's a knockoff of Darkseid, but Darkseid rules.

Off the top of my head, I found Red Skull, Iron Monger, Loki, Ronan the Accuser, and Winter Soldier to be far more engaging.

I haven't even seen half of the MCU films and I still find it an easy task to point to a villain whose better. Ultron would have been better too if he had been in a better movie and didn't sing Pinocchio.

Thanos is just generic. I don't care how powerful he is. Superman isn't my favorite superhero. Dragon Ball Z isn't my favorite anime. John Cena isn't my favorite pro wrestler. And Thanos is not my favorite villain. Characterization and presentation are immeasurably more important than power level.
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Ivany2008
04/22/23 5:14:03 PM
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I really wish they had hung on to Apocalypse for when the X-Men finally are able to join the MCU. He was one of the few villains, along with Galactus and MODOK that could have really pushed a great villain into the film franchise. I mentioned it in the other topic, but they could also go the way of Mojo. Really play up the character like Clown from the Spawn movie. It's just a matter of getting them into the franchise in the first place.
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Scintillant
04/22/23 5:21:38 PM
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I think the reason Thanos was good as a villain is because the characters in the first little avengers trilogy were built up in a way that what Thanos was doing had an emotional impact. I don't care about any of the new characters so whatever a villain does won't matter to me.

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Gobstoppers12
04/22/23 5:24:59 PM
#36:


FortuneCookie posted...
Ronan the Accuser
Bruh no fucking shot, now I know you're just messing with me

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FortuneCookie
04/22/23 5:27:38 PM
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Gobstoppers12 posted...
Bruh no fucking shot, now I know you're just messing with me

He was a little generic too, but he was still better than the giant California Raisin from space. When I see Thanos, I see this:

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project_night
04/22/23 5:30:51 PM
#38:


Doom is the best villain in Marvel, IMO. Magneto was also, but he has been on the side of the X-Men/Xavier for a while now.

I'm not really a fan of Onslaught, but that is another big threat they could use.

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Pikachuchupika
04/22/23 5:31:59 PM
#39:


I have a feeling Avengers Kang Dynasty and Secret Wars will be amazing. Maybe their villains may not top Thanos, but how can you? Thanos is like the best villain ever in Marvel. Maybe Dr. Doom will be as good? I don't really know much about Doom.
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HornyLevel
04/22/23 5:37:48 PM
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My speculation on Secret Wars is that it's about Doom. I think Kang gets handled in Kang Dynasty with Doom helping the Avengers. Right after Kang is finished, Doom turns on everybody.

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Kurt_Russel
04/22/23 8:05:18 PM
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I wanna see Mephistopheles after doom/magneto

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Ludwig_Von_2
04/22/23 8:12:09 PM
#42:


Theres this little known guy called Doctor Doom, bet on him

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Wolverine
04/22/23 9:20:05 PM
#43:


Slayer_22 posted...
In the comics, sure. Thanos is terrible in the comics.

But in the movies? Thanos is fantastic. And Magneto could be too! But I don't see him being an immediately huge threat so quickly.

If you say so. Agree to disagree.

He was charismatic, made people believe in what bullshit he was trying to peddle. He's obviously insane, as is his motivations. A lot of people think villains need to make sense, but...honestly? They don't. A good villain can make sense and give the protagonist a reason to doubt themselves. A great villain will make others follow him, make viewers question the heroes, even though his motivations and his reasons for doing so are absolutely inane and nonsense.

He's a cult of personality in of himself. He does all these evil things, he's an evil man, but he's so forthright in his conviction that you can't help but wonder if he's right. You see things though his eyes, he's right in his own mind. He's got personality and charm, and it pushes his motivations to a level where you can actually see why people follow him.

Shit, Joker is another example. Joker's motivations make no sense whatsoever. In TDK, he is literally just...causing Chaos. His end goal is to die at Batman's hands. He will not see the fruits of his labor. But people love him because he has that charisma that pulls you in. Sure, his plan doesn't make sense. But it doesn't have to. He doesn't have to.

It's a compelling watch. And Thanos, imho, is a well written villain. For that reason and more.

I never really thought of how to explain why Thanos worked so well but this has alot of it. Things like him getting the soul stone shows character. I actually enjoyed his journey to get the gems much more then the avengers in endgame.
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Smashingpmkns
04/22/23 9:23:41 PM
#44:


Gobstoppers12 posted...
Which cinematic villain would you say is better written?
Anton Chigurh

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Irony
04/22/23 9:24:24 PM
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Thanos was a good villain until Endgame where he was a poorly written generic piece of shit

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dameon_reaper
04/22/23 9:27:09 PM
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The problem was that they fought one Kang. There's a whole council of Kangs which is the threat. And he's across space and time.
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St0rmFury
04/22/23 9:29:08 PM
#47:


Irony posted...
Thanos was a good villain until Endgame where he was a poorly written generic piece of shit
Different guy.

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Irony
04/22/23 9:29:46 PM
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St0rmFury posted...
Different guy.


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dameon_reaper
04/22/23 9:35:11 PM
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Irony posted...

I mean, he has a point, though. It was an earlier version of Thanos. A younger one, even if slightly. >_>
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Gobstoppers12
04/22/23 9:35:35 PM
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Smashingpmkns posted...
Anton Chigurh
Good answer, but...naming a character whose actor won an Oscar, in a movie that won numerous awards for its screenplay, direction, and overall best picture...is kind of proof that Thanos is a pretty strong villain. I'm not going to argue that he's a better villain than Chigurh, because that's also an all-time great example, but...Thanos is at the top of his genre, at the very least. Right there with TDK's Joker.

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