Current Events > All criminal charges against Alec Baldwin dropped

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Hard to hold him to criminal charges. Civil charges are totally fair though, running an unsafe set and people fucking around with live ammo and the person in charge with the guns not being careful. I get charging the armorer with a crime though.

it was clear he was innocent when following the case
the only ones who insisted on his guilty knew he was innocent just want to see him punished for mocking their cheeto colored god trump

being rich and connected to the elites can get you out of just about any legal trouble

FL81 posted...

being rich and connected to the elites can get you out of just about any legal trouble

Ok person that thought birds were cold blooded

He was really annoying after the shooting, so I think he should have gone to prison for 20+ years regardless of criminal liability.

wanderingshade posted...

Hard to hold him to criminal charges. Civil charges are totally fair though, running an unsafe set and people fucking around with live ammo and the person in charge with the guns not being careful. I get charging the armorer with a crime though.

Yeah. I still think he needs to be held somewhat accountable, but I'm not sure criminal charges would stick...

But again, I haven't been following the case too closely, so I'm not too sure either way.

Priere posted...

Whats your opinion on the situation? You think alec did nothing wrong? Nothing could have done to prevent this?

I think the weapons wrangler should have done their job. If he had checked the weapon before handing it to the onscreen talent we wouldn't be having this conversation.

Remember this scene?

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Aiik_hIAOv8&pp=ygUTcHVuaXNoZXIgdnMgcnVzc2lhbg%3D%3D

Great fight scene, but what you may not know is that when the Punisher stabs the Russian with the knife at about 31 seconds in? That's a real knife that really stabbed Kevin Nash. The weapons guy didn't verify that the knife with the retractable blade was the one available to Jane, and according to Nash, it was because he was too busy flirting with the young asian assistant running around.

Do you think Thomas Jane should be held accountable for stabbing Nash? Because I don't. Just like I don't think Alec Baldwin should be held accountable for assuming that a weapon he was handed was safe when there's literally someone on set whose job it is to make sure that they're safe.

Could Alec have also checked? Possibly. Is he a gun guy? Would he even know what to look for? If not, checking himself doesn't do much good, does it?

No, this was a cut and dry tragic accident that butthurt chuds were hoping against hope would turn out to be anything else, because how dare he make fun of our orange god.

I'm not shocked in the least that he isn't criminally liable. Yes he is an executive on the movie, but that doesn't make him criminally responsible for all the actions his employees, like the armorer take.

Now civilly, that's a whole different bag of worms and I fully expect him as an executive over a negligent filming environment, to be suffer a share of its civil liability.

Hoodroar posted...

Probably got off because he's a wealthy celebrity.

If he was just an actor he'd have obviously been faultless but he was the film producer and took a bunch of shortcuts regarding safety on the set.

Was set safety one of his responsibilities as a producer on this movie?

I'm not really convinced that a lot of these actors actually do much at all as a producer and it's mostly a way for them to get more residuals.

CableZL posted...

Yeah, there's so many weird things about that incident.
* Do they really use real guns for movies?
* Do they really have real bullets in the vicinity of said real guns?

For your first question, yes. Actual firearms are cheaper than replicas. That big pile of Ak-47s in Lord of War were real because you could buy them cheap.

The second, I think it depends on the film, back in the day they used to use them for shots not involving any people, but for safety reasons they switched to squibs to show bullet impacts on objects, and now most of the time they do it digitally, which is less realistically but way safer.

For a squib safety story, Stallone almost got his fingers blown off on the set of First Blood because in the scene where they are shooting at him when he runs into the cave he puts his hand on something and didn't realize that a squib was set there and set to go off. He felt it blow up as he was removing his hand from it and finished the scene running into the cave. They used the take in the movie.

Tmaster148 posted...

You see. Alec Baldwin made fun of Trump. A very heinous crime.

All the others were isolated innocents done by lone wolves.

And a dangerous trans person. Obviously trans people shouldn't have guns because of it.

If somebody dies due to negligence in a random Walmart, they don't go and arrest the CEO of Walmart.

Now maybe it could be argued that this would be a welcome change in the legal system but I'm just saying that's not how it usually works in America, so I don't know why people keep bringing up that Baldwin had other responsibilities in the production besides acting.

Kimbos_Egg posted...

its really easy to pick out people who have never worked a day in their life. Because nobody who ever has worked with any sort of machinery or equipment is told to maintain it too.

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Both of these. Especially because you don't want (let's just use the second example) shock to, thinking he knows more than he actually does, "fix" something and make it dangerous by doing so.

This is true even in lower risk situations like interacting with IT. The number of people who think they know what they're doing and damage networks/computers/etc. instead of just letting the people whose job it is at a company to deal with it is ridiculous.

Disappointing outcome. I think he's guilty of reckless endangerment.

mybbqrules posted...

I think the weapons wrangler should have done their job. If he had checked the weapon before handing it to the onscreen talent we wouldn't be having this conversation.

Remember this scene?

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Aiik_hIAOv8&pp=ygUTcHVuaXNoZXIgdnMgcnVzc2lhbg%3D%3D

Great fight scene, but what you may not know is that when the Punisher stabs the Russian with the knife at about 31 seconds in? That's a real knife that really stabbed Kevin Nash. The weapons guy didn't verify that the knife with the retractable blade was the one available to Jane, and according to Nash, it was because he was too busy flirting with the young asian assistant running around.

Do you think Thomas Jane should be held accountable for stabbing Nash? Because I don't. Just like I don't think Alec Baldwin should be held accountable for assuming that a weapon he was handed was safe when there's literally someone on set whose job it is to make sure that they're safe.

Could Alec have also checked? Possibly. Is he a gun guy? Would he even know what to look for? If not, checking himself doesn't do much good, does it?

No, this was a cut and dry tragic accident that butthurt chuds were hoping against hope would turn out to be anything else, because how dare he make fun of our orange god.

all that is well and good but as an executive producer he is still liable imo

Turtlemayor333 posted...

If somebody dies due to negligence in a random Walmart, they don't go and arrest the CEO of Walmart.

you do if said ceo was aware of said negligence and did nothing to prevent it

SHRlKE posted...

you do if said ceo was aware of said negligence and did nothing to prevent it

If Alec Baldwin was aware of the negligence I doubt he would have pulled the trigger himself

I wonder why they dont just use rubber bullets?

deoxxys posted...

I wonder why they dont just use rubber bullets?

IIRC, there were only supposed to be blanks in the gun, but the armorer had a live round in it.

Duh, it was overwhelmingly evident that criminal charges are not remotely applicable.

It's a travesty that there weren't much harsher civil penalties for his role as the producer though.

CableZL posted...

Why would they need real bullets?

Live ammo should never be on set ever. They were shooting off rounds in the desert for fun and a live round was in the gun Baldwin had most likely after someone was shooting it in the desert. It's the armorer's fault.

Another thing to note is that the union folks walked off set a day or two prior due to it being an unsafe work environment+the production had crew sleeping hours away from the set. Then they were replaced by scabs.

Zikten posted...

I thought the lady hit was some higher up person. Like a director or something. I dont know. I might be remembering wrong

Cinematographer. Essentially she's in charge of what the camera sees, and as such traditionally stands behind the camera.

Hoodroar posted...

Probably got off because he's a wealthy celebrity.

If he was just an actor he'd have obviously been faultless but he was the film producer and took a bunch of shortcuts regarding safety on the set.

There is zero confirmed information available on his role as a producer or what duties he took on. For all we know it could've been a vanity credit.

Rollo Tomasi

SHRlKE posted...

all that is well and good but as an executive producer he is still liable imo

Is the executive producer's job to make sure that the firearms present on set are safe to handle?

DrizztLink posted...

Oh jeez, this firearm incident is the one that gets you all riled up?

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/9/7/0/AABUaRAAEZuy.png

The rest of these are just a cost of doing business, no need to care.

Is this supposed to be some gotcha moment? This is a really weird thing to post.. the poster didn't contradict themselves in anyway by saying safety should be taken into account for this accident scenario.

I personally feel mixed about this. Besides the armorer, whoever is shooting a gun, should absolutely check the gun before shooting. Also, Alec Baldwin has a huge part in this movie. Besides being the main actor, he wrote it and produced the movie. Hopefully this incident passes a law that requires more checks. Sounded like it was an absolute shit show at the time leading up to the incident as well.

So it sounds like to some in this topic we should have common sense gun laws like holding every actor, producer, and others with a part in this movie criminally responsible for any on set acccidents

CableZL posted...

Yeah, there's so many weird things about that incident.
* Do they really use real guns for movies?
* Do they really have real bullets in the vicinity of said real guns?

Do you SERIOUSLY not know that real firearms are used in movies?

Pepys_Monster posted...

Do you SERIOUSLY not know that real firearms are used in movies?

I haven't put much thought into it either way

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/3/5/5/AAC3_mAAEZ0z.jpg
Mikebros, I don't feel so good...

But Mike didn't say anything about being charged, he said Baldy shot his cinematographer.

Which he did.

I feel differently about Baldwin now. He said he was distraught at first, and that he had lost a best friend. But he doesn't really seem to care much lately. He isn't acting like a person who accidently did a horrible thing that will scar them the rest of their life. It seems like he's already moved on

obligatory Kim Jong-Il

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGeLnX3aj40

Flauros posted...

Literally doesnt matter. ALWAYS follow the 4 basic rules of firearm safety or you risk what happened on set that day.

You understand that in movies people jump out of windows, crash cars, point guns at each other, and do all sorts of other crazy stunts right?

was the actor told it was a real gun and loaded?