Current Events > I'm a centrist. AMA

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What is your most liberal stance, in your opinion?

What is your view on how to address climate change, as a centrist?

What changes do you think should be made to our tax structure?

What about housing?

this isn't an AMA topic. this is a "let's argue" topic. kind of a trickfinger vibe here

nothing wrong with that, but the thread is mislabeled

emblem-man posted...

Like Lobbying? Yeah, I can agree with that. Like how turbo tax lobbies to not allow the govt to provide free tax software or whatever.

Lobbying, making oppressed countries do all your physical labor knowing they still gotta live in shit conditions and gain a microscopic amount from it in contrast to you, etc.

The effect on Americans is kind of in the middle for me. Because I believe we have people hurting that need way more money moved in the direction of fixing their surroundings. But we also have a middle area that's people living ok lives but their mindset is just as greedy but not as ambitious and that's why they have a problem with those living better than them.

But I also think our country has created immense depression and lack of morale by creating an economy where you're expected to work your ass of in a 9-5 while elites constantly flash a lifestyle in your face that will forever be out of reach with that 9-5. Im just waiting for it to boil to the point the poorer realize they can overpower the rich >_>. We just need all this random violence to be aimed in the right direction and then the rich to submit before the violence actually has to occur.

...ok, maybe I am a lil extreme lol. I don't want that to happen, I just see it as tte only outcome to dramatically change the course of things.

Lost_All_Senses posted...

I've gotten the same thing for saying I don't support either end. So, my questions aren't coming from that. Im genuinely curious how others who claim to not be loyal to either end feel about billionaires.

Admittedly Id be closer to a communist but in a not extreme way. I think people who do more should get more, I just don't think the difference in ends should be so extreme.

I can respect that but I don't agree with the opinion that being wealthy is inherently immoral. There certainly are many wealthy people who exploit others to make money but a lot of the upper crust are just making passive income from their companies. If Jeff Bezos opened up Amazon and then just sat at his desk not touching it, he would still be a billionaire. Would that be considered ethical wealth? You try operating a company like Amazon, Microsoft, or Apple, and not becoming filthy rich. There are a ton of loopholes and exploits many people use to make more money, but I don't think the central idea of having wealth is inherently immoral. But the government definitely shouldn't be kow twoing to these companies and should crack down on things like tax loopholes.

specialkid8 posted...

I can respect that but I don't agree with the opinion that being wealthy is inherently immoral. There certainly are many wealthy people who exploit others to make money but a lot of the upper crust are just making passive income from their companies. If Jeff Bezos opened up Amazon and then just sat at his desk not touching it, he would still be a billionaire. Would that be considered ethical wealth? You try operating a company like Amazon, Microsoft, or Apple, and not becoming filthy rich. There are a ton of loopholes and exploits many people use to make more money, but I don't think the central idea of having wealth is inherently immoral. But the government definitely shouldn't be kow twoing to these companies and should crack down on things like tax loopholes.

You lost me when you implied Amazon is ran morally lol

I never said having wealth in itself is immoral. I said it's impossible to get there morally.

Lost_All_Senses posted...

making oppressed countries do all your physical labor knowing they still gotta live in shit conditions and gain a microscopic amount from it in contrast to you, etc.

Hmm, like outsourcing? Hmm, I don't know if I have an issue with that , outside of companies completely skirting legal laws in those areas.

Lost_All_Senses posted...

The effect on Americans is kind of in the middle for me. Because I believe we have people hurting that need way more money moved in the direction of fixing their surroundings. But we also have a middle area that's people living ok lives but their mindset is just as greedy but not as ambitious and that's why they have a problem with those living better than them.

But I also think our country has created immense depression and lack of morale by creating an economy where you're expected to work your ass of in a 9-5 while elites constantly flash a lifestyle in your face that will forever be out of reach with that 9-5. Im just waiting for it to boil to the point the poorer realize they can overpower the rich >_>

I just think we should tax everyone more in order to increase our welfare net

Intro2Logic posted...

What is your view on how to address climate change, as a centrist?

Nuclear. And harder crackdowns on countries and companies that are blasting out emissions and not taking proper steps towards renewable energy.

Lost_All_Senses posted...

You lost me when you implied Amazon is ran morally lol

I didn't. But I don't think Jeffrey is sitting at his desk rubber stamping a bunch of papers that say "exploit workers more". I don't think he's been part of decision making for a long time but everything is still laid at his feet because he's the figurehead.

specialkid8 posted...

Nuclear

How do we pay for it? Would you be fine with government largely subsidizing it?

Lost_All_Senses posted...

You lost me when you implied Amazon is ran morally lol

I think their issue is a cause and effect one. They sort of believe that immoral things happen after one obtains wealth as opposed to the reason that they become wealthy in the first place. So something like Amazon utilizing slave labor, running competitors out through duplicitous means, etc. don't matter because that was in the past (well, okay, not only in the past) and what matters is that now Bezos is rich so as long as he doesn't personally do anything bad he should be viewed through the lens of a good person.

specialkid8 posted...

There's been, what, 3 actual questions in here? And then a bunch of trolling and people trying to trick me into saying I'm secretly a conservative? This is exaclty what I'm talking about. Look in a fucking mirror CE. Differing opinions exist.

Bad faith. I asked you a very real question and was interested in your stance, as a centrist, on the matter, yet you didnt reply.

specialkid8 posted...

Nuclear. And harder crackdowns on countries and companies that are blasting out emissions and not taking proper steps towards renewable energy.

Would you agree with my assessment that this runs significantly closer to the left-wing consensus than that on the right?

ellis123 posted...

I think their issue is a cause and effect one. They sort of believe that immoral things happen after one obtains wealth as opposed to the reason that they become wealthy in the first place. So something like Amazon utilizing slave labor, running competitors out through duplicitous means, etc. don't matter because that was in the past (well, okay, not only in the past) and what matters is that now Bezos is rich so as long as he doesn't personally do anything bad he should be viewed through the lens of a good person.

>_>. The lack of responsibility you expect and justify out of Bezos is wild lol
That's like creating a monster for good and when it turns on everyone, you take all the funds allocated for it and go "Iunno, that's your problem now. What? Use this money to help stop it? You silly goose, Im not doing that."

emblem-man posted...

How do we pay for it? Would you be fine with government largely subsidizing it?

Same way we pay for energy now. And yeah, subsidies would be great.

DarthWendy posted...

Bad faith. I asked you a very real question and was interested in your stance, as a centrist, on the matter, yet you didnt reply.

Because it was poorly formatted and I don't really know what you're asking.

Intro2Logic posted...

Would you agree with my assessment that this runs significantly closer to the left-wing consensus than that on the right?

Yeah?

"But can you still seeme as the good guy? It's hurts me feefees when you say Im a meanie :("

specialkid8 posted...

Same way we pay for energy now. And yeah, subsidies would be great.

Policy disagreements between the left and right are down to these kinds of details.
Tax structures, environmental regulations, etc.

Or are you just a centrist when it comes to culture war type ideas