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Monolith1676
04/14/23 3:31:58 PM
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https://youtu.be/83BhJAZrXrc

I am not a fan of the original but man is it leagues better than the new one.

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hitokoriX
04/14/23 3:50:21 PM
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Disagree hard. I loved the OG RE4, and you can like it more than RE4 remake, but the new one wasn't soulless.

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fan357
04/14/23 3:52:08 PM
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They are both fantastic. Nothing soulless about it.

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Mad-Dogg
04/14/23 3:52:16 PM
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I was with him with that left 4 dead back 4 blood valve video, but this one, nah, this one just ain't it for me.

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DKBananaSlamma
04/14/23 3:52:18 PM
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RE4make got rid of Ashley's panties. That already makes it inferior to the old one.

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AbstraktProfSC2
04/14/23 3:56:16 PM
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DKBananaSlamma posted...
RE4make got rid of Ashley's panties. That already makes it inferior to the old one.
PC has multiple nude mods

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Turtlemayor333
04/14/23 3:57:10 PM
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Every change takes the game in a less cinematic but more realistic direction.

A lot of it is a matter of taste but the atmospheric audio seems like a clear downgrade. Thunderstorms replaced with light raindrops, lots of background music replaced with actual *nothing*.

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xlr_big-coop
04/14/23 3:58:16 PM
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Haven't seen the video but i agree with the sentiment. I love the original but the new one simply couldn't grab my attention, ended up dropping it at the castle because I wasn't having fun. There were a ton of 'member berries but sadly I felt the same was stuck trying to find its own voice and rethreading old ground faithfully.

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Monolith1676
04/14/23 3:58:37 PM
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fan357 posted...
They are both fantastic. Nothing soulless about it.

Where there used to be great ambiance there is now just silence. Seems pretty soulless now.

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Guns_of_Verdun
04/14/23 3:58:45 PM
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I haven't seen the video but the Remake is way better than the OG

The OG has a few better things:

Seperate Ways/Operation Ada
Better soundtrack
Ada is better
More cheesy with bad VA/lines

The Remake is better in every other way

Gameplay, menus, pacing, every non Ada character. Better enviroments

No QTEs, no lanky clunky controls, don't have to open a menu to change weapons

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Murphiroth
04/14/23 3:59:36 PM
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Monolith1676 posted...
Where there used to be great ambiance there is now just silence. Seems pretty soulless now.

Nah, like usual you are simply incorrect.
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Monolith1676
04/14/23 4:00:17 PM
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Murphiroth posted...
Nah, like usual you are simply incorrect.

How am I incorrect, it is there in the video.

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Murphiroth
04/14/23 4:01:41 PM
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Monolith1676 posted...
How am I incorrect, it is there in the video.

About the game being soulless or worse than the original.

You're simply wrong.
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DKBananaSlamma
04/14/23 4:02:48 PM
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AbstraktProfSC2 posted...
PC has multiple nude mods
But I want Capcom themselves to commit to the panties. Them leaving the panties out is a bad face for the company. I want panties rendered by Shinji Mikami himself

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Vyrulisse
04/14/23 4:05:00 PM
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Saw that video it's pretty jarring just how much was lost in this new "superior" version.

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Guns_of_Verdun
04/14/23 4:06:00 PM
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The Remake defo has soul

Almost every part of the game has cute shortcuts for a second playthrough, the shooting gallery is a blast.

I'd also argue the sound design is far superior in the Remake outside of the music. Remember Armor ashley clunk with every step? The monks going "BURGH!" everytime they fired a crossbow? Chainsaw noises being the same volume regardless of where the enemy was?

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Mad-Dogg
04/14/23 4:11:30 PM
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I was with him on the left 4 dead video, but this one? Nah, this one ain't it for me.

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Delirious_Beard
04/14/23 4:12:52 PM
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this dude is literally "cherry picking, the YT channel"

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LordFarquad1312
04/14/23 4:13:20 PM
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People who complain games are less cinematic and consider it a problem are weird.
Go watch Casa Kain or something, nerd.

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coolpal23
04/14/23 4:13:27 PM
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Yeha i despised the remake due to the combat

OG will always be the best version to me

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zammox
04/14/23 4:32:01 PM
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The DEmake trainwreck continues. It's a bad week for Capcom haha

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ViewtifulJoe
04/14/23 4:32:19 PM
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i don't play that last of us crap

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Doe
04/14/23 4:32:37 PM
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Crowbcat is a charlatan

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UnholyMudcrab
04/14/23 4:36:08 PM
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This must be the topic for people with bad opinions about the RE4 remake

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Giblet_Enjoyer
04/14/23 4:47:51 PM
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These soulless zoomer demakes are getting out of hand. I dare say this new title in the RE series is 100% entirely pure antisoul.

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Turbam
04/14/23 4:48:29 PM
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DKBananaSlamma posted...
RE4make got rid of Ashley's panties. That already makes it inferior to the old one.
Pantyhose >>>> panties

@ApherosyLove back me up

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ViewtifulJoe
04/14/23 4:49:14 PM
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Someone I know has just proven to me that his first time playing as HUNK, he got a 150 combo and a score near a million in mercenaries. This is not someone who was particularly good at 4, 5 or 6 at all.

Just how much did they dumb this down exactly?

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Hayame_Zero
04/14/23 4:49:53 PM
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Delirious_Beard posted...
this dude is literally "cherry picking, the YT channel"

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Guns_of_Verdun
04/14/23 4:54:22 PM
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ViewtifulJoe posted...
Someone I know has just proven to me that his first time playing as HUNK, he got a 150 combo and a score near a million in mercenaries. This is not someone who was particularly good at 4, 5 or 6 at all.

Just how much did they dumb this down exactly?
Hunk is the bonus character you unlock by getting a high rank on all 3 levels. His super is infinite ammo.

So even if it's first time playing as Hunk it's at least the 4th time playing the mode and that's if he got the high rank on first attempt.

Although that said Mercenary mode is pretty easy so it's very possible he did just that.

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Giblet_Enjoyer
04/14/23 4:56:54 PM
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ViewtifulJoe posted...
Someone I know has just proven to me that his first time playing as HUNK, he got a 150 combo and a score near a million in mercenaries. This is not someone who was particularly good at 4, 5 or 6 at all.

Just how much did they dumb this down exactly?
That's insane lol.
For me, 6 had the best mercenaries mode. Also a surprisingly soulful game tbh. Soulcraft seems to have been lost to the annals of time after gen 7 imo

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ViewtifulJoe
04/14/23 5:00:35 PM
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Guns_of_Verdun posted...
Hunk is the bonus character you unlock by getting a high rank on all 3 levels. His super is infinite ammo.

So even if it's first time playing as Hunk it's at least the 4th time playing the mode and that's if he got the high rank on first attempt.

Although that said Mercenary mode is pretty easy so it's very possible he did just that.
Oh that's really lame then. Unsurprising.

I've also found out a monkey paw has granted a wish for me. Luis is playable in RE4 mercs but it's in this game baring RE4's name. Next thing they'll add playable Salazar with crazy run speed and weird hitboxes.

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Mr_Karate_II
04/14/23 5:02:04 PM
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Haven't played the remake yet since it's not available on Xbone but the fact that Capcom lied about not cutting content is enough to make me not want to play.

Is mercenaries mode even in the game?

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Guns_of_Verdun
04/14/23 5:08:51 PM
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Mr_Karate_II posted...
Haven't played the remake yet since it's not available on Xbone but the fact that Capcom lied about not cutting content is enough to make me not want to play.

They really haven't cut much.

The only noticable cut of mention is The Boss fight with "IT"

Edit: Actually another cut of mention is that they cut out a lot of the dumb dialogue including Ramon and Saddler phoning you up to insult you over and over. Which sucks if you liked that sweet cheese. "You right hand comes off?"

Every other "cut" is cut for good reason, usually pacing and replaced with something better.

IE: The really really boring Ashley dump truck section is gone and replaced with a section where Ashley is a wrecking ball heavy vehicle and you need to protect her. It's 40 times better.

Or the optional 2nd fight with El Gigante is cut and replaced with a much more interesting El Gigante set piece in the castle

About 93% of the OG game is remade and exetremely faithfully. In fact I kinda think the remake would have been better if they tried a little less to keep everything from the original. The weakest part of the game is still the Island section that still drags just like the OG. You could cut a lot of Chapter 14/15 and lose nothing. Same as in OG you could cut 78% of the Island and lose nothing.


Is mercenaries mode even in the game?

Yes

It wasn't on release but it was free DLC a week or so ago

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Srk700
04/14/23 5:32:38 PM
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DKBananaSlamma posted...
RE4make got rid of Ashley's panties. That already makes it inferior to the old one.

That's the sacrifice that had to be made so we could get thicc regeneradors with ass jiggle.
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DKBananaSlamma
04/14/23 6:52:25 PM
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I watched a third of it but Re4make is fine. idg any of the points he's trying to show off. Literally the only bad comparison between OG and REmake is that Ada is trash. But otherwise they're both great

I am glad he put this part in though lol
https://youtu.be/83BhJAZrXrc?t=514

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Itachi157
04/14/23 6:57:32 PM
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I agree with him on some stuff (Back 4 Blood was soulless unfun garbage) but I am going to have to disagree with him on this one assuming he shits on RE4make. I havent watched the video but Im assuming he does. The remake was fantastic IMO.
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Mr_Karate_II
04/14/23 7:24:20 PM
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Guns_of_Verdun posted...
They really haven't cut much.

The only noticable cut of mention is The Boss fight with "IT"

Edit: Actually another cut of mention is that they cut out a lot of the dumb dialogue including Ramon and Saddler phoning you up to insult you over and over. Which sucks if you liked that sweet cheese. "You right hand comes off?"

Every other "cut" is cut for good reason, usually pacing and replaced with something better.

IE: The really really boring Ashley dump truck section is gone and replaced with a section where Ashley is a wrecking ball heavy vehicle and you need to protect her. It's 40 times better.

Or the optional 2nd fight with El Gigante is cut and replaced with a much more interesting El Gigante set piece in the castle

About 93% of the OG game is remade and exetremely faithfully. In fact I kinda think the remake would have been better if they tried a little less to keep everything from the original. The weakest part of the game is still the Island section that still drags just like the OG. You could cut a lot of Chapter 14/15 and lose nothing. Same as in OG you could cut 78% of the Island and lose nothing.

Yes

It wasn't on release but it was free DLC a week or so ago
They removed Assignment Ada and Separate Ways despite saying they wouldn't cut content

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Cobra1010
04/14/23 7:42:25 PM
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The video got down voted hard. Nearly 50%.

He should have picked resident evil 3 remake to pick on instead.

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Guns_of_Verdun
04/14/23 7:48:16 PM
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Mr_Karate_II posted...
They removed Assignment Ada and Separate Ways despite saying they wouldn't cut content
I wish they were in the game.

I guess their logic is those weren't in the original game either.

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The-19th-Sparta
04/14/23 7:54:44 PM
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Dont respond to Mr Karate, hes been crying about Rem4kes cut content since before release and he hasnt stopped. No amount of counter arguments and facts will get him to change his dry panties.

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Unsuprised_Pika
04/14/23 7:56:52 PM
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Turbam posted...
Pantyhose >>>> panties

@ApherosyLove back me up

This is the way and the truth.

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_Angel_
04/14/23 8:06:29 PM
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RE4R is way better than the original. I didnt think they could do it but they did.

Mercs kinda ass though

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_Angel_
04/14/23 8:11:48 PM
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ViewtifulJoe posted...
Someone I know has just proven to me that his first time playing as HUNK, he got a 150 combo and a score near a million in mercenaries. This is not someone who was particularly good at 4, 5 or 6 at all.

Just how much did they dumb this down exactly?

mercs is really fucking easy, Im hella disappointed

the main campaign is harder but of course goes back to easy once you know what to kit out. Professional is moderately tough

OG RE4 does not hold a candle to remakes gameplay and enemies. Im not even respecting any argument that says otherwise

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Mr_Karate_II
04/14/23 9:11:20 PM
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Guns_of_Verdun posted...
I wish they were in the game.

I guess their logic is those weren't in the original game either.

Separate Ways wasn't in the GameCube version but assignment Ada was and the PS2 Version had both.

There was no reason to cut those and lie about it

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Slayer_22
04/15/23 3:45:32 AM
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A rare miss from him.

It seems he also altered audio a little bit to make RE4 remake seem quieter.

He's got a bone to pick with this game and he's not afraid to show it apparently lol

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Mad-Dogg
04/15/23 3:57:30 AM
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lol, I actually did watch a bit more of the video (still didn't finish it all the way, but it got to the point where I feel I seen enough), but overall the vibe I got is just "muh nostalgia" and "whatever validation I can get for not being able to play RE4 remake (for the viewers and not crowbat himself I mean. He at least played through RE4 remake. More than you can say for all the "I didn't play the game myself yet buuuut *insert stupid opinion for an entire game I did not play here* people) with most other people" the video.

I can agree with the sound design comparisons since the OG team really did went out of their way with that, but that is as far as it goes. The no soul, no charisma (the fuck, lol), not as much camp! (feels like capcom isn't allowed for going with a different vibe of their choosing), and every actual gameplay complaint goes right in the trash can. Dataminers found stuff that strongly implies some of ada's side stuff is on the way so that is whatever.

I also agree that mercenaries might need to be tweaked more, either that or just create more difficult versions with their own leaderboards.


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deoxxys
04/15/23 5:31:07 AM
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Really looking forward to playing the remake but seems there was some ambience that was dropped from the original. Remake has a bunch of visually impressive stuff but there's some obvious ones that are better in the original like the room for the regenerators.

Just hope the remake doesn't keep the same health pool and damage effects as its predecessor remakes in is more like the OG re4

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Slayer_22
04/15/23 6:27:35 AM
#48:


deoxxys posted...
Really looking forward to playing the remake but seems there was some ambience that was dropped from the original. Remake has a bunch of visually impressive stuff but there's some obvious ones that are better in the original like the room for the regenerators.

Just hope the remake doesn't keep the same health pool and damage effects as its predecessor remakes in is more like the OG re4
I wholly disagree on Regenerators.

The Regenerators in RE4 remake are infinitely more terrifying. They are played up like the scary as fuck threat they are until you figure out how to take them out.

It's probably one of the best bits in the whole game, and the whole game has amazing parts.

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pegusus123456
04/15/23 6:33:23 AM
#49:


Yeah, the regenerators in the original are overhyped. They make a spooky noise and that's about it. They are slow as fuck and you find the thermal scope almost immediately. After that, it's shooting fish in a barrel.

In the remake, they're probably the fastest enemy in the game and their jerky movements make it harder to hit them in the right spot.

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zammox
04/15/23 7:12:25 AM
#50:


Itachi157 posted...
I am going to have to disagree with him on this one assuming he shits on RE4make. I havent watched the video but Im assuming he does.
He presented a comparison without comment and the assumption everyone is making is that RE4R is inferior. The truth hurts so people are very angry about this

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