Current Events > Do you believe in... life after death?

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could there be spooky ghosts posting on ce RIGHT NOW????

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oqebmfzvlsc

I'm doubtful but keep an open mind.

I don't. It just doesn't add up. If a man and a woman were married, loved each other, and had children, but the man died, and the woman remarried, what would happen in the afterlife? I doubt they would want to share her.

Also, if someone gets plastic surgery to be better-looking, do they look that way in the afterlife, or do they look how they did originally? What age are they?

Once you're dead, you basically cease to exist.

It's nothing but permanent blackness and you stop thinking. Accept it. Embrace it.

No, sadly.

GhostFaceLeaks posted...

Once you're dead, you basically cease to exist.

It's nothing but permanent blackness and you stop thinking. Accept it. Embrace it.

You wish. That's about the nicest outcome though, so you can hold onto that, like Santa Claus or the Tooth Fairy.

Where were we before we came to be?

Jerry_Hellyeah posted...

You wish. That's about the nicest outcome though, so you can hold onto that, like Santa Claus or the Tooth Fairy.

There's no proof for life after death. Once you're dead, its as if you never existed.

GhostFaceLeaks posted...

There's no proof for life after death. Once you're dead, its as if you never existed.

The proof is right here. We exist right now. So we already came from nothing once.

GhostFaceLeaks posted...

There's no proof for life after death. Once you're dead, its as if you never existed.

Wait, WHAT??!?

GhostFaceLeaks posted...

It's nothing but permanent blackness and you stop thinking. Accept it. Embrace it.

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Used to. I've decided it's extremely unlikely

imjusthere4fun posted...

The proof is right here. We exist right now. So we already came from nothing once.

We didn't come from nothing, though. We are the offspring of two adult humans. Whether we have children or not, we'll get old, die and turn to dust. That's it.

Pepys_Monster posted...

We didn't come from nothing, though. We are the offspring of two adult humans. Whether we have children or not, we'll get old, die and turn to dust. That's it.

The first thing in existence or the big bang pretty much did though. So if the big bang indirectly created us as a consequence then it can happen again for an infinite amount of times. I don't see any way around it. There may no such thing as "non-existence" even. So we are stuck existing.

I think it is possible. I mean the energy that I am made of has existed since the Big Bang possibly before it. After I die that energy goes somewhere, eventually it could possibly become part of another life form eventually. Will I have memories? Most likely no, but still if I came from nothing once, I see no reason I or my energy couldnt again in some form or forms, possibly even a sentient life form eventually.

imjusthere4fun posted...

The first thing in existence or the big bang pretty much did though. So if the big bang indirectly created us as a consequence then it can happen again for an infinite amount of times. I don't see any way around it. There may no such thing as "non-existence" even. So we are stuck existing.

Are you trying to say that the universe is, over time, continually destroyed and recreated, and therefore we are destined to live again? Nobody knows what caused the Big Bang, and as far as I know, there is no real evidence for a cycle of any kind. But even if there is some kind of cycle of creation and destruction as far as the universe is concerned, that has nothing to do with us personally. Quantum mechanics completely destroys the idea that we live in deterministic universe. If the universe gets "rebooted", it won't be a loop; different things will happen.

And what good would it do you if the universe actually was some kind of loop where the same things really did happen each time, right down to the same people being born? If there is nothing like a soul, then our existence as thinking beings is the result of biological processes in the brain. When the brain dies, we die. So in the case of a loop, there will uncounted years in the future be another you born. What of it? That would just be a new instance of a similar (or even identical) version of a person that looks like you and has your personality. There is no continuity of being, any more than if I someone created a machine that could make a perfect duplicate of you.

I also believe that the universe will die. All energy will deplete. All atoms will stop moving. Heat death of the universe will happen.

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I can feel something inside me say

No.

As a Christian, yes, I do.

I love how people say there's no proof so it's just nothing after. As if they have proof for their argument >_>. Believing either end is believing without proof. Maybe having proof in either direction would ruin the experience of being human.

People always go to the "God isn't real, so it's just darkness". It could also be God doesn't exist and was just made as a way to manipulate others but there's also some other phenomenon other than just eternal darkness. Why do you guys believe the afterlife is a GameCube game. That's stupid. You look stupid.

Occam's razor.

Lost_All_Senses posted...

Believing either end is believing without proof.

Agreed. Being an atheist takes just as much faith as being religious. I'm a Christian, but I can't prove God exists to anyone. I just believe He does and choose to believe He does.

If time continues to exist for infinity after the heat death, then the non-zero chance of another universe popping will eventually happen. Over infinity, our universe down to us will repeat infinitely because configurations are finite.

I guess. But looking at how people act I hope for fire and oblivion.

RileyGaines posted...

Agreed. Being an atheist takes just as much faith as being religious. I'm a Christian, but I can't prove God exists to anyone. I just believe He does and choose to believe He does.

I didn't wanna only associate God with being used for manipulation btw. I just know majority of the vocals on this board don't believe in God. So, I was just focused on covering that end. I respect religion when used morally.

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Can you remember being 1? You were definitely alive and had thoughts and experiences during it. Others with more developed brains at the time can remember it. Not remembering isn't the same as being nothing in that moment. Very possible we just don't remember.

CreekCo posted...

looking at how people act I hope for fire and oblivion.

https://youtu.be/HHKXNB-_eMQ

The only thing I have a small chance of believing can happen is reincarnation. And I think you would not remember anything from your past life

Lost_All_Senses posted...

I didn't wanna only associate God with being used for manipulation btw. I just know majority of the vocals on this board don't believe in God. So, I was just focused on covering that end. I respect religion when used morally.

The only thing certain in this life is that we're all going to die some day unless you choose to become a transhuman and upload your consciousness to the matrix if/when that technology ever becomes available. I'd rather die than choose that fate, and I choose to believe in God and Jesus. But other people can believe and do as they please.

Lost_All_Senses posted...

I love how people say there's no proof so it's just nothing after. As if they have proof for their argument >_>. Believing either end is believing without proof. Maybe having proof in either direction would ruin the experience of being human.

People always go to the "God isn't real, so it's just darkness". It could also be God doesn't exist and was just made as a way to manipulate others but there's also some other phenomenon other than just eternal darkness. Why do you guys believe the afterlife is a GameCube game. That's stupid. You look stupid.

From a scientific perspective the onus is on the people believing theres an afterlife to prove there is one. Same to this God of yours existing.

It's not on everyone else to prove a story I can make up on the spot isn't real.

sparky2658 posted...

From a scientific perspective the onus is on the people believing theres an afterlife to prove there is one. Same to this God of yours existing.

It's not on everyone else to prove a story I can make up on the spot isn't real.

That's a cop out. Cause you're not holding your end to the same standard. It seems like you're just going with the easiest explanation you can think of as a placeholder for not actually having any insight. Explain how someone can experience non existence and what exactly it consists off. You can't comprehend not existing. So, how can you make sense of it and view it as a factually possible thing? Like I said, people could be confusing not remembering before being born with nothing being before you were born. Bringing science into this does nothing. It would have nothing to do with science. Science is the understanding of this specific existence. Which is exactly what we're not talking about.

Lost_All_Senses posted...

That's a cop out. Cause you're not holding your end to the same standard.

It's not a cop out just because it hurts your feelings.

From a scientific perspective the onus is 100% completely on the person claiming Loki, Lucifer, the Flying Spaghetti Monster or any fantastic story you can create is real.

Not the person who doesn't blindly believe you just because you found a group of people who also believes whatever story you have and desire a specific explanation to something humans don't have an explanation for.

It's not on everyone else to make sense of your story, or try to rationalize it being factual because you have faith in it. Just because you think fairies or wonder woman helps guide future and past souls to Narnia, the onus isn't on everyone else to prove your story is nothing more than just that.

It doesn't matter how much you desire to make sense of anything humans scientifically lack explanations for.

Short version, scientifically, if you have a fantastic story you need a systematic methodology of evidence, and its on you to actually provide it. Else it's nothing more than a fantastic story.

No, and most that do are generally afraid of that. It's also why almost every religion has some kind of afterlife, and it's through that control people there entire lives.

Hell no

The ego can be fragile enough as it is

fuck no, this better be the end and no fucking sequel to this shit

Nobody can understand death without understanding life, and we are centuries away from any true understanding of the origins of life.

You dont have to eat anyones horseshit, but they dont have to eat yours.

RileyGaines posted...

Being an atheist takes just as much faith as being religious.

Lol wut

That does not make any sense. Atheism is lacking belief in a god or gods. Thats the only thing thats fundamental to all atheists. Creation doesnt even factor into it, unless its something a particular atheist wants to address. A person could simply say they dont know anything about that, and theyd still be an atheist.

sparky2658 posted...

It's not a cop out just because it hurts your feelings.

From a scientific perspective the onus is 100% completely on the person claiming Loki, Lucifer, the Flying Spaghetti Monster or any fantastic story you can create is real.

Not the person who doesn't blindly believe you just because you found a group of people who also believes whatever story you have and desire a specific explanation to something humans don't have an explanation for.

It's not on everyone else to make sense of your story, or try to rationalize it being factual because you have faith in it. Just because you think fairies or wonder woman helps guide future and past souls to Narnia, the onus isn't on everyone else to prove your story is nothing more than just that.

It doesn't matter how much you desire to make sense of anything humans scientifically lack explanations for.

Short version, scientifically, if you have a fantastic story you need a systematic methodology of evidence, and its on you to actually provide it. Else it's nothing more than a fantastic story.

Lost_All_Senses posted...

People always go to the "God isn't real, so it's just darkness". It could also be God doesn't exist and was just made as a way to manipulate others but there's also some other phenomenon other than just eternal darkness

You're arguing an angle Im not coming from. You're limiting your thinking to only 2 different outcomes. It's sad you have to pretend to have hurt someone's feelings >_>. You don't get your feelings hurt when you have no beliefs.

Lost_All_Senses posted...

You're arguing an angle Im not coming from. You're limiting your thinking to only 2 different outcomes. It's sad you have to pretend to have hurt someone's feelings >_>. You don't get your feelings hurt when you have no beliefs.

I didn't say there was only 2 outcomes. I said the onus is on the person claiming there is an outcome to begin with, after death.

Reincarnation, Heaven, Hell, Valhalla, Narnia, 2D Dimensional world, 5D Dimensional world. Your imagination can run wild with whatever explanation you wish to come up with. It's not on everyone else to prove the Soul Society, ruled by the trinity Wonder Woman, Loki and Hylia isn't real all because you need an explanation to where you go after death.

Same applies to those entities existing at all on some supernatural level.

Scientifically the onus is on you to provide a systematic methodology of evidence, to prove it. Scientifically speaking it would be on you to prove the Soul Society is a real place. Scientifically speaking it would be on you to prove Loki, Wonder Woman and Hylia are real entities controlling this life after death place, and any other cosmic power they reign over this place, and the place we call Earth.

Coming back with "we dont know because anything is possible" doesn't make your stance scientific. You have to actually provide a systematic methodology of evidence.

Nobody knows for sure. Lets just leave it at that.

sparky2658 posted...

I didn't say there was only 2 outcomes. I said the onus is on the person claiming there is an outcome to begin with, after death.

Reincarnation, Heaven, Hell, Valhalla, Narnia, 2D Dimensional world, 5D Dimensional world. Your imagination can run wild with whatever explanation you wish to come up with. It's not on everyone else to prove the Soul Society, ruled by the trinity Wonder Woman, Loki and Hylia isn't real all because you need an explanation to where you go after death.

Same applies to those entities existing at all on some supernatural level.

Scientifically the onus is on you to provide a systematic methodology of evidence, to prove it. Scientifically speaking it would be on you to prove the Soul Society is a real place. Scientifically speaking it would be on you to prove Loki, Wonder Woman and Hylia are real entities controlling this life after death place, and any other cosmic power they reign over this place, and the place we call Earth.

Coming back with "we dont know because anything is possible" doesn't make your stance scientific. You have to actually provide a systematic methodology of evidence.

You keep saying stuff I already moved away from and building an argument like I didn't already cover it. I said "It has nothing to do with science" and you somehow came back to the assumption Im saying my open mindedness is me trying to be scientific. You seem to not he able to understand that science has nothing to do with this conversation. I can't really respond when you keep roping it back to something that irrelevant. It's the unknown.

The main difference is Im not pretending to know something you absolutely can't know. Even though you keep trying to change the perspective and act like Im the one in the conversation doing that. It's you doing that. Im just being open minded to more than one outcome.

If you're not willing to go down this road of conversation, that's 100% your right. You just don't gotta be so uptight about your beliefs while others discuss other ideas and scenarios. You're argument is anti-conversation and you seem to not like that others might stillwant to play without you lol. Some of us are ok with not thinking we know everything

Not in a corporeal way.

No. I will happily wait when some real evidence drops to prove the existence of something.

Entertaining a serious discussion about it to me is like entertaining is Light Yagami controlling us all like puppets in the Shadow World. When we die, our essence or whatever converts into shadow energy to power Yagamis thoughts and ideas!

Going down this path one can literally create an infinite amount of stories based on their imagination which has no fundamental base in facts since one can fall on "you cant prove Im wrong" logic.

People just love to argue don't they

SSJKirby posted...

People just love to argue don't they

50% of CE activity.

NatsuSama posted...

No. I will happily wait when some real evidence drops to prove the existence of something.

Entertaining a serious discussion about it to me is like entertaining is Light Yagami controlling us all like puppets in the Shadow World. When we die, our essence or whatever converts into shadow energy to power Yagamis thoughts and ideas!

Going down this path one can literally create an infinite amount of stories based on their imagination which has no fundamental base in facts since one can fall on "you cant prove Im wrong" logic.

Do you only watch movies that use proven reality and grounded established understandings? Is that not just as much of a waste of time? Do you walk into a room and tell everyone that they shouldn't watch a movie because it's not using scientific data?

Most the time, especially online, people are projecting the seriousness of conversations themselves. Like how a guy in this topic thought he was hurting my feelings when I just have a casual interest in alternative theories. And don't get me wrong, I've definitely been seen falling into projecting a serious tone where there wasn't one here too. It's unreasonable to think our mood is gonna sync up and we'll properly evaluate the emotion in everyone's written conversation just from a passing glance. In fact, I come into topics with the wrong understanding of the topic constantly lol. I just allow others to correct me and try to stay self aware in the aftermath.

Lost_All_Senses posted...

Do you only watch movies that use proven reality and grounded established understandings? Is that not just as much of a waste of time? Do you walk into a room and tell everyone that they shouldn't watch a movie because it's not using scientific data?

Your casual interest really doesn't change what I said about me not having a serious discussion about it. Especially when a great deal of the world literally believes in the "casual discussion" you are talking about. A good percentage of people actually.

You wanting to have a serious discussion about a story you want to debate as actually real, doesn't mean I should entertain it.

The same would apply to any movie with anyone running around claiming some supernatural phenomenon in a movie is real and demanding everyone entertain the plausibility of it.

Like I said, it's no different to me than, entertaining "Light Yagami controlling us all like puppets in the Shadow World. When we die, our essence or whatever converts into shadow energy to power Yagamis thoughts and ideas!" The possibilities are literally endless as long as I come back and go, "well, you can't prove I'm not right!"