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Ricemills
04/12/23 6:04:38 PM
#51:


Giblet_Enjoyer posted...
How tf could you see that I have a 9 inch dick and a square jaw??

With a microscope.

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Giblet_Enjoyer
04/12/23 6:11:44 PM
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pegusus123456 posted...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pzYGWF6qrts
I knew this was coming lol

I've never seen an incidence of misogyny stand for long here tbh. Unless you count Vegy's antics as misogyny

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Giblet_Enjoyer
04/12/23 6:12:43 PM
#53:


Ricemills posted...
With a microscope.
>There are mile-tall giants posting on Gamefaqs right now
Harrowing

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Punished_Blinx
04/12/23 6:35:08 PM
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I'm amazed that a franchise where the main dude sounds exactly like Sonic the Hedgehog has so many people that get so angry over voice acting.

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Guns_of_Verdun
04/12/23 6:38:11 PM
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It's fucked up that people were harrasing her

But this statement is bullshit. People weren't criticizing Ada because the VA is Asian, they were critical because her performance sucked.

It was utterly robotic and didn't match the facial/character animations of the scenes she was in. The delivery was awful.

Going "It's not the first time a POC has faced racism!" as if the performance wasn't terrible is crazy.

Listen to the Japanese performance:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DKppA3M2BdU

The also Asian VA isn't getting flack because her performance was decent. It matches the animation.

I blame whoever was directing the vocal performances more than the blame the VA. Why they didn't ask for a second take is beyond me.

But anyone who pretends her performance wasn't awful is full of shit.

You can still admit her performance was awful AND that the people harrasing her are scumbags. It's not an either/or situation.

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TheSavageDragon
04/12/23 6:42:07 PM
#57:


Guns_of_Verdun posted...
You can still admit her performance was awful AND that the people harrasing her are scumbags. It's not an either/or situation.

Just like it's easy to admit that some people critical of her are likely lobbing racist or sexist insults at her. Which is likely what caused her to make that statement.
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Muflaggin
04/12/23 6:42:26 PM
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Man people just can't handle criticism nowadays. Always falling back on the same tired excuses. Just own up to it and say you'll do better next time. Done.
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Guns_of_Verdun
04/12/23 6:46:50 PM
#59:


TheSavageDragon posted...
Just like it's easy to admit that some people critical of her are likely lobbing racist or sexist insults at her. Which is likely what caused her to make that statement.
Not really. Look at the end of her statement. She was arguing that her VA was good and saying the critics are racist/sexist.

That's just silly. You think if Leon sounded as bad as Ada did and Ada sounded great, no one would criticize the VA?

Call out the harrasers for being douches but take the L. Do the "It was my first performance and I learned a lot. My colleagues were amazing and I plan to improve in the future with the franchise." etc etc stuff, not the "Obviously since I'm Asian and my performance of Ada was intelligent the racists couldn't take it."

It was a shitty performance. Don't pretend it's not just because people on the internet can be dickbags

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Punished_Blinx
04/12/23 6:50:26 PM
#60:


Muflaggin posted...
Man people just can't handle criticism nowadays. Always falling back on the same tired excuses. Just own up to it and say you'll do better next time. Done.


Guns_of_Verdun posted...
Not really. Look at the end of her statement. She was arguing that her VA was good and saying the critics are racist/sexist.

That's just silly. You think if Leon sounded as bad as Ada did and Ada sounded great, no one would criticize the VA?

Call out the harrasers for being douches but take the L. Do the "It was my first performance and I learned a lot. My colleagues were amazing and I plan to improve in the future with the franchise." etc etc stuff, not the "Obviously since I'm Asian and my performance of Ada was intelligent the racists couldn't take it."

It was a shitty performance. Don't pretend it's not just because people on the internet can be dickbags

Nah. Assholes who message actors directly to complain (or worse) don't need to be pandered too.

Leaving a negative review or discussing it with others doesn't need a response promising to do better and neither does this.

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TheSavageDragon
04/12/23 6:50:39 PM
#61:


Guns_of_Verdun posted...
Don't pretend it's not just because people on the internet can be dickbags

I'm not. I even downright stated it's a poor performance in another topic. But I'm also not pretending she hasn't been bombarded with racist and sexist comments due to her performance which you seem to be doing.
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Guns_of_Verdun
04/12/23 7:00:48 PM
#62:


TheSavageDragon posted...


I'm not. I even downright stated it's a poor performance in another topic. But I'm also not pretending she hasn't been bombarded with racist and sexist comments due to her performance which you seem to be doing.
I wouldn't be surprised if people have sent bullshit comments to her. Women get harrased online by the daily. Especially attractive women.

I don't for a second believe that the critical response to her poor performance was because she was Asian and female and her response is using that as an excuse to act like her VA performance wasn't terrible.

I'm just calling out the BS. It is complete BS and people are pretending it's not because they want to call out the harrasers for being douchebags. You can do both.

Punished_Blinx posted...
Nah. Assholes who message actors directly to complain (or worse) don't need to be pandered too.

Leaving a negative review or discussing it with others doesn't need a response promising to do better and neither does this.

Who said she needed to?

But if you actively choose to make a response to the criticism of your performance, ignoring that your performance was terrible and pretending the criticism is just racism is BS. It just makes her look bad.

The guy who wrote Dragon Ball Evolution's script didn't need to make a statement to respond to the criticism but when he did he apologized for how shit his work was and vowed to do better in the future.

He didn't claim everyone only hates Dragon Ball Evolution's script because he's black and it was too intelligent for them. If he did he would be saying BS.

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Punished_Blinx
04/12/23 7:03:25 PM
#63:


Guns_of_Verdun posted...
But if you actively choose to make a response to the criticism of your performance, ignoring that your performance was terrible and pretending the criticism is just racism is BS. It just makes her look bad

The people this 'looks bad' to don't matter.

Guns_of_Verdun posted...
The guy who wrote Dragon Ball Evolution's script didn't need to make a statement to respond to the criticism but when he did he apologized for how shit his work was and vowed to do better in the future.

He didn't claim everyone only hates Dragon Ball Evolution's script because he's black and it was too intelligent for them. If he did he would be saying BS.

Was he personally being bombarded with hate on social media?

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Guns_of_Verdun
04/12/23 7:07:28 PM
#64:


Punished_Blinx posted...


The people this 'looks bad' to don't matter.

Jeez you're arrogant.

Punished_Blinx posted...


Was he personally being bombarded with hate on social media?
Probably

Dragonball Evolution was terrible and was criticized so majorly he had to respond to it.

I don't get why you're acting like people being dicks on the internet means her performance was terrible and that it doesn't look bad if she pretends it wasn't terrible and blames racism for criticism.

At some point you just gotta take the L and vow to learn from it and do better. Not blame other people.

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Punished_Blinx
04/12/23 7:15:08 PM
#65:


Guns_of_Verdun posted...
Jeez you're arrogant.

It's not arrogance.

People on the internet need to realise they overall do not matter and are just a vocal minority most of the time.

It would have been better if she didn't respond at all.

Guns_of_Verdun posted...
Probably

So no.

Guns_of_Verdun posted...
Dragonball Evolution was terrible and was criticized so majorly he had to respond to it.

So did George Clooney over Batman and Robin. Didn't mean he was harassed over it.

Guns_of_Verdun posted...
I don't get why you're acting like people being dicks on the internet means her performance was terrible and that it doesn't look bad if she pretends it wasn't terrible and blames racism for criticism.

People acting like dicks on the internet doesn't mean anything. They don't matter.

Guns_of_Verdun posted...
At some point you just gotta take the L and vow to learn from it and do better. Not blame other people.

She can do that within her industry if needed.

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Guns_of_Verdun
04/12/23 7:26:37 PM
#66:


Punished_Blinx posted...
It's not arrogance.

"People don't matter if they don't agree with me. It's not arrogance."

People on the internet need to realise they overall do not matter and are just a vocal minority most of the time.

Just declaring people don't matter isn't a response to her terrible performance. IF you think people don't matter why are you engaging in the converastion at all? Engaging solely to insist that people's opinions don't matter is the paragon of pointlessness.

Heck they mattered so much she felt the need to respond and pretend her performance wasn't terrible


It would have been better if she didn't respond at all.

I agree.

Making excuses like this is just going to fan the critics and makes her look awful. If there was harrasment this will enbolden it.


So no.

lolwut?


So did George Clooney over Batman and Robin. Didn't mean he was harassed over it.

Social media didn't exist then. The Rock got harrased over Black Adam and that was much better than Batman & Robin.

Doesn't mean the valid criticism wasn't valid just because dicks are dicks


People acting like dicks on the internet doesn't mean anything. They don't matter.

Agreed but you don't have to pretend the performance wasn't crap because you don't like people acting like dicks.

Ironically you're not acting the best way yourself right now by insisting no one's thoughts matters. Which is really weird and rude and arrogant.



She can do that within her industry if needed.

She doesn't need to say anything to the industry. They're the ones that okayed her performance and put it to print.

If anything Capcom failed her.

But if she chooses to make a public statement to address how bad her performance was, pretending the performance wasn't bad is not the way to go.

And niether is just saying "Well people don't matter! Nothing matters!" which is just silly.

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Punished_Blinx
04/12/23 7:40:44 PM
#67:


Guns_of_Verdun posted...
"People don't matter if they don't agree with me. It's not arrogance."

It's not because they don't agree with me. It's because they think they're important enough to directly message people to whine or attack a person over voice acting in a video game.

Guns_of_Verdun posted...
Just declaring people don't matter isn't a response to her terrible performance. IF you think people don't matter why are you engaging in the converastion at all? Engaging solely to insist that people's opinions don't matter is the paragon of pointlessness.

Heck they mattered so much she felt the need to respond and pretend her performance wasn't terrible

I don't think my opinion matters. Which is why I don't hunt down the contact details for people I want to criticize for minor shit.

Guns_of_Verdun posted...
The Rock got harrased over Black Adam and that was much better than Batman & Robin.

When did he say that?

Guns_of_Verdun posted...
But if she chooses to make a public statement to address how bad her performance was, pretending the performance wasn't bad is not the way to go.

She isn't choosing to make her statement because of bad reviews. She is choosing to because people have been harassing her online.

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Barber102
04/12/23 7:40:55 PM
#68:


Delirious_Beard posted...
her voice work was not good but gamers remain the most embarrassing group on the planet
Star wars fans actually gave that title.

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Lvaneede
04/12/23 7:43:23 PM
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I have started RE4R, but Im not far enough in to have heard what Ada sounds like

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Oreos74
04/12/23 7:43:38 PM
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this has nothing to do with being asian or sexy

it has to do with her being a flat voice actress with 0 range

look at her trying to twist the narrative. Maybe she should just admit she fuckin sucked.

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Guns_of_Verdun
04/12/23 7:51:41 PM
#71:


Punished_Blinx posted...
It's not because they don't agree with me. It's because they think they're important enough to directly message people to whine or attack a person over voice acting in a video game.

If you have a public social media account, people commenting on your acting performances isn't strange. Literally every actor who has a public social media will get that in most of the messages they get.

Saying those fans don't matter is really weird.

Again using the harrasers to excuse the criticism is just silly

I don't think my opinion matters. Which is why I don't hunt down the contact details for people I want to criticize for minor shit.

Yet you spend 20 years on Gamefaqs arguing with people over how much they don't matter?

That's signifcantly weirder than sending a tweet to an actor.

To me it just sounds like more excuses to handwave the criticism of her poor performance. "It's just people being racist and even if it's not they don't matter."

When did he say that?

When he whined about people criticizing him/it on Twitter.


She isn't choosing to make her statement because of bad reviews. She is choosing to because people have been harassing her online.

If you say so. Her response was about her performance. So that holds no water.

Hell she could have done the whole "I'm learning and vow to do better in future for the great fans." stuff and still call out the harrasres for being dicks.

She tried to paint the criticism of her poor performance on racism which is bad and IMO you're just trying to defend her doing that in an incredibly awkward way. Which also bad.

I'll repeat that you can call the harrasers poo-poo heads and still accept that her performance was bad. It's not a "sides" thing.

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Slayer_22
04/12/23 7:53:00 PM
#72:


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It definitely wasn't fully directed at that. She mentions what 'her' Ada is like and it looked like she was trying to brush aside the critique there. At least, that's what I'm seeing. Bringing up the character and how it doesn't fit a stereotype when the harassment is directed at her(not the character) would be weird if she was just addressing the harassment towards her and her alone.

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Slayer_22
04/12/23 7:56:44 PM
#73:


TheSavageDragon posted...
Just like it's easy to admit that some people critical of her are likely lobbing racist or sexist insults at her. Which is likely what caused her to make that statement.
That's a dumb af line of thinking. You're generalizing people who don't like a bad role into a group of racists. Then suddenly saying her voice acting sucks is racism, because now all critique of her is 'likely' also lobbing racist or sexist insults at her.

I don't like her voice acting, and I think all these harassers should just get a life and go the fuck away.

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Punished_Blinx
04/12/23 8:06:32 PM
#74:


Guns_of_Verdun posted...
If you have a public social media account, people commenting on your acting performances isn't strange. Literally every actor who has a public social media will get that in most of the messages they get.

Saying those fans don't matter is really weird.

Again using the harrasers to excuse the criticism is just silly

Most famous actors do not read or interact with regular people because of those people.

It's one thing to be a fan and engage with someone you like. It's another to specifically find a social media account to send them messages to complain or to hate. The latter is a large reason why social media is trash.

Guns_of_Verdun posted...
Yet you spend 20 years on Gamefaqs arguing with people over how much they don't matter?

That's signifcantly weirder than sending a tweet to an actor.

I'm afraid sending messages directly to people to whine about their work is significantly weirder than wasting time on a message board with other randoms.

Guns_of_Verdun posted...
When he whined about people criticizing him/it on Twitter.

You mean when he said that he doesn't care about critics but the opinion of the general public?

Guns_of_Verdun posted...
Hell she could have done the whole "I'm learning and vow to do better in future for the great fans." stuff and still call out the harrasres for being dicks.

Nah. Don't give these people an inch. It'll just encourage them to keep doing it.

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Giblet_Enjoyer
04/12/23 8:08:54 PM
#75:


[LFAQs-redacted-quote]

Well I suppose when you demand any criticism of or generalization about women be deleted immediately (or before it's posted, preferably) and that the offender be usermap axed then it's hard to meet that standard

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Giblet_Enjoyer
04/12/23 8:13:58 PM
#76:


Punished_Blinx posted...
It's not arrogance.

People on the internet need to realise they overall do not matter and are just a vocal minority most of the time.

It would have been better if she didn't respond at all.
The irony is that she did respond, thus making the people who criticized her matter by your own standard more than you do because she didn't respond to you. lol

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Punished_Blinx
04/12/23 8:16:37 PM
#77:


Giblet_Enjoyer posted...
The irony is that she did respond, thus making the people who criticized her matter by your own standard more than you do because she didn't respond to you. lol

No shit harassment is a bigger issue than people leaving her alone.

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Guns_of_Verdun
04/12/23 8:20:02 PM
#79:


Giblet_Enjoyer posted...
The irony is that she did respond, thus making the people who criticized her matter by your own standard more than you do because she didn't respond to you. lol
On top of that he's claiming responding to them and claiming criticism of her VA performance is racism will hinder harrasment because it's "not giving them an inch" and telling the truth would be.

Which makes no sense....

It's like he just can't understand that you can say the harrasment is BS and her performance was bad at the same time.


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Punished_Blinx
04/12/23 8:23:29 PM
#80:


Guns_of_Verdun posted...
On top of that he's claiming responding to them and claiming criticism of her VA performance is racism will hinder harrasment

No I didn't. I know full well it will just increase. As will any response.

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Guns_of_Verdun
04/12/23 8:28:40 PM
#81:




Punished_Blinx posted...


Guns_of_Verdun posted...

Hell she could have done the whole "I'm learning and vow to do better in future for the great fans." stuff and still call out the harrasres for being dicks.

Nah. Don't give these people an inch. It'll just encourage them to keep doing it.

Punished_Blinx posted...
On top of that he's claiming responding to them and claiming criticism of her VA performance is racism will hinder harrasment because it's "not giving them an inch" and telling the truth would be.

No I didn't. I know full well it will just increase. As will any response.

Errm...

You flat out said she's right to pretend all criticism of her VA performance is racism because if she vowed to do better or acklowedged it was bad, it would "give an inch" to harrasers.

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Giblet_Enjoyer
04/12/23 8:29:20 PM
#82:


[LFAQs-redacted-quote]

If you can point me to posts doing those things that are still standing 24 hours or more after being posted I'd be moved.

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Punished_Blinx
04/12/23 8:31:08 PM
#83:


Those are two different statements yes. Neither of which match your assumption.

Guns_of_Verdun posted...
You flat out said she's right to pretend all criticism of her VA performance is racism because if she vowed to do better or acklowedged it was bad, it would "give an inch" to harrasers.

You say I flat out said something because I said something completely different?

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Guns_of_Verdun
04/12/23 8:37:31 PM
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I literally quoted you directly....

And you removed the direct quote just to complain you said something different

Jesus christ.

People don't matter including your own words apparently. You're impossible to talk man.

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Lairen
04/12/23 8:38:17 PM
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Whoa! Shes sure dabbing on those haters! This statement definitely helped the situation!

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Punished_Blinx
04/12/23 8:42:51 PM
#87:


Guns_of_Verdun posted...
I literally quoted you directly....

And you removed the direct quote just to complain you said something different

Jesus christ.

People don't matter including your own words apparently. You're impossible to talk man.

It isn't my own words! The direct quote you are referring to was your words.

How does;

Punished_Blinx posted...
Nah. Don't give these people an inch. It'll just encourage them to keep doing it.

Mean;

Guns_of_Verdun posted...
You flat out said she's right to pretend all criticism of her VA performance is racism because if she vowed to do better or acklowedged it was bad, it would "give an inch" to harrasers.

That's the conclusion you are making. I didn't say anything of the sort.

Giving them a response at all like this is already giving them an inch. Acknowledging "well you guys have a point beneath all of this undeserved harassment" is giving them an even greater one which will encourage them to keep going not only with her but to other voice actors.

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Giblet_Enjoyer
04/12/23 8:57:30 PM
#88:


[LFAQs-redacted-quote]

So people have to actually say something that breaks the rules before they'll be modded, as opposed to something you don't like the sound of? Seems to me like that's how it should work.

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Giblet_Enjoyer
04/12/23 9:01:01 PM
#89:


[LFAQs-redacted-quote]

Why should that be moddable, because you personally disagree? It isn't designed to offend and it isn't trolling. Gamefaqs forums don't exist to make you feel vindication, they exist for people to talk about various subjects online.

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Guns_of_Verdun
04/12/23 9:06:55 PM
#90:


Punished_Blinx posted...


Giving them a response at all like this is already giving them an inch. Acknowledging "well you guys have a point beneath all of this undeserved harassment" is giving them an even greater one which will encourage them to keep going not only with her but to other voice actors.
How in the hell does saying the generic PR "My colleagues are great, I learned from this, will look forward to future projects" stuff (which I notice you completely reworded into saying "you guys have a point!" which is hypocrisy after lying that people who directly quoted you were misrepresenting you) encourage more harrasment than lying and claiming all criticism of the performance is racism?

The latter is gonna encourage a heck of a lot more. Calling people racist when they aren't is not how you stop harrasment.

Hell as I already pointed out with the Dragonball Evolution example, there was absolutely 0 attacks, harrasment or rebuttal when he publically apologized. People were like "Huh, it's cool he admitted it."

And look at Skyler White's actress when she claimed anyone who doesn't like Skyler is sexist. All she did was encourage the jerks and make everyone facepalm.

Pretty much every point you've made in this enitre topic is either ridiclous, rude, hypocritical or all three.

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Punished_Blinx
04/12/23 9:15:53 PM
#91:


Guns_of_Verdun posted...
How in the hell does saying the generic PR "My colleagues are great, I learned from this, will look forward to future projects" stuff (which I notice you completely reworded into saying "you guys have a point!" which is hypocrisy after lying that people who directly quoted you were misrepresenting you) encourage more harrasment than lying and claiming all criticism of the performance is racism?

Because the response is being given due to harassment given to her socials and not because of negative feedback from reviews or online discussions.

Guns_of_Verdun posted...
Hell as I already pointed out with the Dragonball Evolution example, there was absolutely 0 attacks, harrasment or rebuttal when he publically apologized. People were like "Huh, it's cool he admitted it."

I wasn't aware of him being bombarded with harassment online. He also made this apology 7 years after the movie released. Long after butthurt nerds moved on.

I was aware that this actress was already getting a shitload of harassment before this statement.

Guns_of_Verdun posted...
And look at Skyler White's actress when she claimed anyone who doesn't like Skyler is sexist. All she did was encourage the jerks and make everyone facepalm.

Do you think it's possible that women attract this sort of harassment more often maybe?

I thought Fred Armisen's Cranky Kong sucked ass but I'm not going to message him over it or expect him to apologise or promise to be better. Why do you think this is normal behaviour?

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Guns_of_Verdun
04/12/23 9:35:39 PM
#92:


Punished_Blinx posted...


I thought Fred Armisen's Cranky Kong sucked ass but I'm not going to message him over it or expect him to apologise or promise to be better. Why do you think this is normal behaviour?
Once again after complaining people who directly quoted you are putting words in your mouth, you turn around and just say random crap.

Rude, hypocrisy, ridiclous.

No one said it was normal behavior to contact Fred Armisen and expect an apology. You're just making random crap up because you have no point.

What I said was if you're going to have a public response to a poor performance, the generic "I learned alot, my colleagues were great, I look forward to the future with the fans" stuff is much better than claiming all criticism of your terrible performance is racism.

Meanwhile you claimed the former would encourage more harrasment than the latter. Which is BS.

You also did weird statements over and over about how the fans don't matter. Which is weird.

Punished_Blinx posted...


Because the response is being given due to harassment given to her socials and not because of negative feedback from reviews or online discussions.

Then why is the response about Ada's character? Slayer summed it up well
Slayer_22 posted...
It definitely wasn't fully directed at that. She mentions what 'her' Ada is like and it looked like she was trying to brush aside the critique there. At least, that's what I'm seeing. Bringing up the character and how it doesn't fit a stereotype when the harassment is directed at her(not the character) would be weird if she was just addressing the harassment towards her and her alone.

Even if the response is solely due to "harrasment" and not the criticism she got (which is pure spectulation on your part) her response isn't about the harrasment, It's complaining that people don't like her performance due to racism. Which is bogus.

And bringing up Ada as a character and how good her "non sterotype" performance doesn't make sense if her response was solely given due to harrasment.

Punished_Blinx posted...


I wasn't aware of him being bombarded with harassment online. He also made this apology 7 years after the movie released. Long after butthurt nerds moved on.

So in other words, it didn't encourage any harrasment?

Good to know.

So do you think if his response was that DBZ Evolution was actually intelligent and non sterotypical and the negative response was just because he was black, that also would not have encouraged any harrasment? Do you think that would be a better response than his apology? Since you think it for the Ada VA.

Come on dude, stop being so ridiclous and call a spade a spade.

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Punished_Blinx
04/12/23 9:44:24 PM
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Guns_of_Verdun posted...
No one said it was normal behavior to contact Fred Armisen and expect an apology. You're just making random crap up because you have no point.

Are you not arguing that Lily Gao should apologise and promise to be better as a response to the harassment she has received?

Guns_of_Verdun posted...
What I said was if you're going to have a public response to a poor performance, the generic "I learned alot, my colleagues were great, I look forward to the future with the fans" stuff is much better than claiming all criticism of your terrible performance is racism.

The post literally says that criticism is expected but she is talking about the harassment she has received.

Guns_of_Verdun posted...
Even if the response is solely due to "harrasment" and not the criticism she got (which is pure spectulation on your part) her response isn't about the harrasment, It's complaining that people don't like her performance due to racism. Which is bogus.

The post literally says that criticism is expected and she is talking about the harassment she has received.

Guns_of_Verdun posted...
So in other words, it didn't encourage any harrasment?

Good to know.

Was he still in the midst of harassment 7 years after release?

Has he talked about the harassment he has received over the movie at all?

If the answer to either of these is no...then it isn't the same situation as what is happening here.

Guns_of_Verdun posted...
So do you think if his response was that DBZ Evolution was actually intelligent and non sterotypical and the negative response was just because he was black, that also would not have encouraged any harrasment? Do you think that would be a better response than his apology? Since you think it for the Ada VA.

I have neither said or implied any of these things. Instead of trying to build up a strawman remain focused on what I am saying. Harassment is what I am talking about. Not responding to criticism.

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Guns_of_Verdun
04/12/23 10:01:09 PM
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Punished_Blinx posted...


Are you not arguing that Lily Gao should apologise and promise to be better as a response to the harassment she has received?

No. Nobody argued that. No one argued anything close to that.

Myself and several other users have very clearly expressed completely different things to that.

Ridiclous, Rude, Hyprocisy.

Punished_Blinx posted...


The post literally says that criticism is expected and she is talking about the harassment she has received.
Every time you cut out the direct parts of the post that refute your point you just draw attention to the fact you're not saying anything.

IF she's talking solely about the harrasment she recieved, why is she bringing up Ada as a character and her performance of Ada and how intelligent, survivor and non sterotypical it is? Which has nothing to do with online harrasment and is direct refutes to criticism of her performance.

She's using racism as a scapegoat to dismiss valid criticism and it's blatant. So blatant you're literally having to edit out what people are saying to avoid them raising this.

Punished_Blinx posted...


Was he still in the midst of harassment 7 years after release?

Has he talked about the harassment he has received over the movie at all?

If the answer to either of these is no...then it isn't the same situation as what is happening here.
Dunno the first one
Yes to the second one

Why is it different?

And answer the question. DO you think the DBZ Evolution script writer would have gotten less harrasment if instead of apologising he blamed the criticism he recieved on racism and called his script intelligent? It's a simple yes or no. Please answer it.

Punished_Blinx posted...


I have neither said or implied any of these things. Instead of trying to build up a strawman remain focused on what I am saying. Harassment is what I am talking about. Not responding to criticism.
You acusing others of strawmen or putting words in your mouth is ridiclously hypocritical. Your very first sentence in this post was literally just that

Meanwhile you directly said that if she did the generic "Lot to learn ,stand by the fans, love colleagues, look forward to the future" stuff, that would encourage harrasment. Meanwhile claiming criticism of her role is racism does not encourage as much harrasment.

You said that directly twice and stood by it.

Now are dodging it

Because you know full well it was a ridiclous thing to say but are too insecure to go "yeah that was ridiclous, sorry I wasn't thinking."

Hence why you keep editing out the relevant parts of people's posts, putting words in their mouth, contradicting yourself, saying others don't matter etc.

Ridiclous, Rude, Hypocritical. Every step of the way

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Ivynn
04/12/23 10:04:20 PM
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Her voice acting sucks.

People harassing her for it suck more.

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Guns_of_Verdun
04/12/23 10:05:16 PM
#97:


Ivynn posted...
Her voice acting sucks.

People harassing her for it suck more.
Agreed.

It's really this simple.

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Punished_Blinx
04/12/23 10:11:17 PM
#98:


Guns_of_Verdun posted...
No. Nobody argued that. No one argued anything close to that.

Yes you did.

Guns_of_Verdun posted...
Call out the harrasers for being douches but take the L. Do the "It was my first performance and I learned a lot. My colleagues were amazing and I plan to improve in the future with the franchise." etc etc stuff, not the "Obviously since I'm Asian and my performance of Ada was intelligent the racists couldn't take it."


Guns_of_Verdun posted...
IF she's talking solely about the harrasment she recieved, why is she bringing up Ada as a character and her performance of Ada and how intelligent and non sterotypical it is? Which has nothing to do with online harrasment and is direct refutes to criticism of her performance.

Because she received harassment over her performance and interpretation of the character.

Guns_of_Verdun posted...
She's using racism as a scapegoat to dismiss valid criticism and it's blatant. So blatant you're literally having to edit out what people are saying to avoid them raising this.

Nobody cares about 'valid criticism' when they're being bombarded with hate on social media. That train leaves the station when that becomes the story.

Guns_of_Verdun posted...
Why is it different?

Because he responded to an author writing a Dragon Ball book who contacted him for info. He wasn't responding because his social media was flooded with abuse and hate.

Which was probably why it took him 7 years to say anything.

Guns_of_Verdun posted...
Meanwhile you directly said that if she did the generic "Lot to learn ,stand by the fans, love colleagues, look forward to the future" stuff, that would encourage harrasment. Meanwhile claiming criticism of her role is racism does not encourage as much harrasment.

You said that directly twice and stood by it.

Now are dodging it

Are you a fan of UnfairRepresent?

Like I don't know how clearer I can make it.

Don't expect people to respond to your 'criticism' in the middle of a harassment campaign. In fact don't expect a response to your criticism at all. It's overall a pretty simple concept. Not sure why you're struggling.

Your criticism overall does not matter in comparison to harassment and abuse people like voice actors receive on the internet. If you think otherwise you are entitled. It's just a performance in a video game. It shouldn't be a big deal.

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deoxxys
04/12/23 10:16:04 PM
#99:


And this topic is the golden example of why you can't criticize someone because it always devolves into, "must be those sexist racist incels".

Most people criticizing her performance have not contacted her personally and narrowing your focus to the harassment always just scapegoats bad performance.

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Ragtag28
04/12/23 10:21:52 PM
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Guns_of_Verdun posted...
At some point you just gotta take the L and vow to learn from it and do better. Not blame other people.
At first I wasn't going to reply in this topic but this is too ridiculous of a take not to respond to. So are you saying her receving racists and sexist remarks because of her performance is justified?

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