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Thought you needed to be 14 to have a part time job.
Like you did only work a couple of hours a week.

Something is fishy

"I worked when I was a kid and I turned out fine!"

No, no you fucking didn't.

You have an extremely cucked world view where you want to kowtow to someone who has a bigger financial dick to you.

wackyteen posted...

"I worked when I was a kid and I turned out fine!"

No, no you fucking didn't.

You have an extremely cucked world view where you want to kowtow to someone who has a bigger financial dick to you.

This. Bunch of right wingers and other idiots saying it was a good thing they were (and currently are) exploited.

Unless the kid actually wants to work there, which is doubtful, this is fucked even if it is a "family business". We also have restaurant and other lobbies pushing for more child labor. There have been recent stories coming out about minors working. The right want kids back in coal mines. And like someone in the comments brought up: it's never rich kids doing work like this.

Socialism is still worse than capitalism.

Southernfatman posted...

This. Bunch of right wingers and other idiots saying it was a good thing they were (and currently are) exploited.

Unless the kid actually wants to work there, which is doubtful, this is fucked even if it is a "family business". We also have restaurant and other lobbies pushing for more child labor. There have been recent stories coming out about minors working. The right want kids back in coal mines. And like someone in the comments brought up: it's never rich kids doing work like this.

That's because it is and always was a privileged to not have to work at that age. One that wasn't accessible to most(at least in 1st worlds) until modern day. If you don't count acting, fashion, music, or streaming careers I guess.

If worker shortages are real then you really only have 3 options. Have more baby's, increase immigration, or lower the working age.

Prismsblade posted...

If worker shortages are real then you really only have 3 options. Have more baby's, increase immigration, or lower the working age.

Bolded the correct answer to the not-real issue of worker shortages instead of hiring godam children.

Also: it's not a shortage when people just refuse to work for a pittance, so stop using corporate speak.

Prismsblade posted...

That's because it is and always was a privileged to not have to work at that age. One that wasn't accessible to most(at least in 1st worlds) until modern day. If you don't count acting, fashion, music, or streaming careers I guess.

If worker shortages are real then you really only have 3 options. Have more baby's, increase immigration, or lower the working age.

It's messed up many would like to return to the age where children had to work. They seem to love the idea, especially when you factor in the efforts of conservatives to keep immigration down and keep citizens down so they don't have the means to have children.

You need to be 16 here and you gotta get signed off by your school and your parents beforehand. Plus you can only work like 20 or 24 hours a week max. It just sounds like that kid is pulling some illegal shit and the shady business is allowing it.

Personally I don't think there is anything wrong with a kid doing work, but it should never be their life or even something they need to worry about if they don't want to (I think work should be optional in general, and it should be easier for people to wear different hats and get into jobs they want to try).

I also feel the same way about school, which is probably not engaging enough as is.

Prismsblade posted...

That's because it is and always was a privileged to not have to work at that age. One that wasn't accessible to most(at least in 1st worlds) until modern day. If you don't count acting, fashion, music, or streaming careers I guess.

If worker shortages are real then you really only have 3 options. Have more baby's, increase immigration, or lower the working age.

You've accepted corporate framing by omitting the most obvious option: higher pay. Conservatives and business people are always dunking on socialism for conflicting with "basic economics." But then they forget supply and demand when it's convenient for them.

legendary_zell posted...

You've accepted corporate framing by omitting the most obvious option: higher pay. Conservatives and business people are always dunking on socialism for conflicting with "basic economics." But then they forget supply and demand when it's convenient for them.

then they beg the government to bring in temporary foreign workers rather than pay people enough to live on

That kid will be a bitter burnout by 20.

MagnusX posted...

Also: it's not a shortage when people just refuse to work for a pittance, so stop using corporate speak.

Its not corporate speak, its personal exp. People I've encountered that refuse to work are generally young, lazy, entitled, egotical NEETs. That produce nothing of value, consume far more, and the rest of society has to care for.

How else are those people surviving with no income? Adults not having to work is a privilege unheard of until modern day.

Prismsblade posted...

Its not corporate speak, its personal exp. People I've encountered that refuse to work are generally young, lazy, entitled, egotical NEETs. That produce nothing of value, consume far more, and the rest of society has to care for.

"worker shortage" is, in fact, corporate speak. jobs should pay people more

Why am I (Butters) not surprised that socialists classify basic economics terminology as "corporate speak"?

Prismsblade posted...

Its not corporate speak, its personal exp. People I've encountered that refuse to work are generally young, lazy, entitled, egotical NEETs. That produce nothing of value, consume far more, and the rest of society has to care for.

How else are those people surviving with no income? Adults not having to work is a privilege unheard of until modern day.

It's also telling how in a topic about a systemic flaw of capitalism: the omnipresent tendency to rely on younger, cheaper, and more exploitable work, regardless of the damage that does to the child, you attempt to redirect the topic to focus on your personal moral assessment of some adults you know.

Life is not a morality play. Capitalism gleefully exploits children.
Also maybe those adults present as "lazy" because they're expected to work hard for wages that don't pay the bills? Why work hard if you don't get any of the things hard work is supposed to provide. This may come as a surprise, but when the work is not interesting, people only work hard to get things.

legendary_zell posted...

It's also telling how in a topic about a systemic flaw of capitalism: the omnipresent tendency to rely on younger, cheaper, and more exploitable work, regardless of the damage that does to the child, you attempt to redirect the topic to focus on your personal moral assessment of some adults you know.

Life is not a morality play. Capitalism gleefully exploits children.
Also maybe those adults present as "lazy" because they're expected to work hard for wages that don't pay the bills? Why work hard if you don't get any of the things hard work is supposed to provide. This may come as a surprise, but when the work is not interesting, people only work hard to get things.

This.

Why would I work a job where I live if the job is not going to pay a wage that allows me to live even mildly uncomfortably?

You're blind or being willfully obtuse to think that getting higher skills or degrees will make everyone who does rich enough to not be economically uncomfortable.

Used to you could work a single wage and afford modern necessities. Now you have to chafe under multiple jobs that face labor shortages if you want to afford anything that isn't the bare minimum of modern necessirity.

It'd be one thing if everyone was suffering, but corporations are making record profits. Billions upon billions every quarter. Their labor shortage could be fixed in an instant and it'd barely be a blip on their quarterly profits.

Capitalism has reached it's late stage and instead of just letting off the gas for a split second, it's pushed the pedal into the core of the Earth.

The kid in the link works there because his dad owns the restaurant. He almost certainly only works part time and his dad is probably teaching him responsibility, letting him earn his own money, and grooming him to take over a business.

Gotta love the corpo simps that show up in these topics.

The corpos aren't gonna fuck you. Well, at least not in the fun way.

Razor posted...

The kid in the link works there because his dad owns the restaurant. He almost certainly only works part time and his dad is probably teaching him responsibility, letting him earn his own money, and grooming him to take over a business.

Ah, the only kind of grooming that is okay. /s

Murphiroth posted...

Gotta love the corpo simps that show up in these topics.

The corpos aren't gonna fuck you. Well, at least not in the fun way.

I don't they're simps, I think they just had the system work for them so they don't understand why everyone hates it.

"I have a job and a house and I pay all my bills on time. I don't see what the issue is?"

They got theirs, so they don't understand why you do just go out and get yours as well, not recognizing that everyone's life situation is different.

bigblu89 posted...

I don't they're simps, I think they just had the system work for them so they don't understand why everyone hates it.

"I have a job and a house and I pay all my bills on time. I don't see what the issue is?"

They got theirs, so they don't understand why you do just go out and get yours as well, not recognizing that everyone's life situation is different.

Tad ironically, I'm in a situation where all my bills, housing, Healthcare, etc are taken care of. However, I don't want anyone to be forced to make the choice I did.

I don't want others to have to suffer just to live, when we're the most powerful nation in the history of the world. We should do better.

And we don't even have to totally blow up the existing system. We can work within the economic confines as they exist today. That's what bothers me the most. Everybody can win (relatively) and nobody really has to endure an inordinate amount of suffering to make that happen. Obviously things won't be perfect, but it's better than running the system so hard that it falls apart.

But it's greed that stops that from happening.

SuperShake666 posted...

That kid will be a bitter burnout by 20.

Only if they dont move up and earn promotions.

Also kids this young be working because other adults aint

legendary_zell posted...

It's also telling how in a topic about a systemic flaw of capitalism: the omnipresent tendency to rely on younger, cheaper, and more exploitable work, regardless of the damage that does to the child, you attempt to redirect the topic to focus on your personal moral assessment of some adults you know.

Child labor has existed long before captilsim was even a concept. And it's only in capitalists country's that we're even having this debate. In most non first world country's their put to work even younger

So this mind set of working age we have now is just a privilege of good times.

legendary_zell posted...

Also maybe those adults present as "lazy" because they're expected to work hard for wages that don't pay the bills? Why work hard if you don't get any of the things hard work is supposed to provide. This may come as a surprise, but when the work is not interesting, people only work hard to get things.

They're expected to learn new knowledge, exp, and skills to increase their value. But they generally aren't doing that either.

And in what world is a that a acceptable excuse to anyone for not working? Nobodys buys that shit in irl.

Less messed up than any system tried thus far in recorded history.

voldothegr8 posted...

Less messed up than any system tried thus far in recorded history.

please describe your methodology for arriving at this conclusion

averagejoel posted...

please describe your methodology for arriving at this conclusion

I bet he read a history book

WhisperWolf2005 posted...

I bet he read a history book

I'm skeptical of this idea. but also reading a history book is not methodology

Is this really that big of a deal? The kid's dad owns the place, he's working there to help out/earn a few allowance money. It's not like he's working in some other fast food corporate chain as some forced child labor.

crayola555 posted...

Is this really that big of a deal? The kid's dad owns the place, he's working there to help out/earn a few allowance money. It's not like he's working in some other fast food corporate chain as some forced child labor.

It is if it is illegal.

Good, build that work ethic, something that seems rare nowadays

Scorsese2002 posted...

Good, build that work ethic, something that seems rare nowadays

yeah, really internalize that corporate propaganda so that future jobs can take advantage of you more easily, great advice

Dakimakura posted...

It is if it is illegal.

Let me quote this again:

crayola555 posted...

Is this really that big of a deal? The kid's dad owns the place, he's working there to help out/earn a few allowance money. It's not like he's working in some other fast food corporate chain as some forced child labor.

Read the bolded part.

crayola555 posted...

Read the bolded part.

do you think it's less of a big deal when a kid's parent is taking advantage of them?

crayola555 posted...

Let me quote this again:

Read the bolded part.

The bolded part doesn't come from the labor laws, so it kind of means nothing beyond simple platitudes. A worthless bolding to be sure.

Shoot_FTH posted...

Socialism is still worse than capitalism.

Explain!

WBC_Injury posted...

Explain!

He is Sunhawk.

QED.

Shoot_FTH posted...

Socialism is still worse than capitalism.

Could there be economic systems that are better than Capitalism?

ellis123 posted...

The bolded part doesn't come from the labor laws, so it kind of means nothing beyond simple platitudes. A worthless bolding to be sure.

Right, so this thing is so clearly a non-issue that it doesn't even constitute or has any violation to actual child labor laws. Great, you just helped explain my whole point in this topic for me, thank you so much for that.

crayola555 posted...

Right, so this thing is so clearly a non-issue that it doesn't even constitute or has any violation to actual child labor laws. Great, you just helped explain my whole point in this topic for me, thank you so much for that.

The idea is that you clearly don't have anything even close to resembling the moral high ground, what with the whole "defending child labor" thing, so a complete lack in a legal high ground makes your post come across a meaningless fluff.

ellis123 posted...

The idea is that you clearly don't have anything even close to resembling the moral high ground, what with the whole "defending child labor" thing, so a complete lack in a legal high ground makes your post come across a meaningless fluff.

That's really not what your other post was saying, so you're just changing topics here.....ok

And you either have to be dense or reading with comprehension issues if you somehow make out terms like "moral high ground" and "defending labor laws" from reading my posts.

Shoot_FTH posted...

Socialism is still worse than capitalism.

Umm no.

Cheater87 posted...

Umm no.

Umm yes? Can't believe this is even being disputed.

ellis123 posted...

The idea is that you clearly don't have anything even close to resembling the moral high ground, what with the whole "defending child labor" thing, so a complete lack in a legal high ground makes your post come across a meaningless fluff.

The issue with this particular example, not the concept as a whole, is that there's not enough evidence to even know what's going on.

Could it be a father taking advantage of his son as "cheap labor"? Sure.

Could it be as simple as "I know we have plans tonight, but Dad has to close the store. But if you go with him and help clean up, we can probably get out of there an hour early and still make it to (insert event) on time".

The fact that the father owns the store changes the situation a lot. it would almost be like coming down on a parent as taking advantage of "child labor" because you pay your kid $20 to mow the lawn.

wiiking96 posted...

Could there be economic systems that are better than Capitalism?

When people enjoy economic systems for personally prosperity, then no.

WhisperWolf2005 posted...

When people enjoy economic systems for personally prosperity, then no.

Did you even understand what you just said?

Why can't we just make a new -ism? Why keep trying to save the dead fish our forefathers labored over...

WhisperWolf2005 posted...

When people enjoy economic systems for personally prosperity, then no.

So you're arguing that humanity is completely incapable of crafting an economic system that leads to better outcomes for humans than capitalism? The economic system that is responsible for mass ecological devastation is the absolute best that humans could ever achieve?