Current Events > How is a card with only three words as its effect competitively broken?

(+) Yeah! (+)

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/6/5/8/AAA4MKAAETEC.jpg

Sorry, two words and a number.

I think Pot of Greed has been banned forever.

Now Ill play Pot of Greed! This allows me to draw 2 cards from my deck!

IDK, but in what little I've dabbled in of the Pokemon TCG (that is, the Game Boy game), I remember feeling the same way about the Bill trainer card, which does literally the exact same thing as this. Putting 4 Bills into the deck (the max it allows) was practically a given for me.

What does Pot of Greed even do?
I've never really understood the explanation given in the show

catfan2008 posted...

What does Pot of Greed even do?
I've never really understood the explanation given in the show

You draw two cards. Nothing more than what is written. No interpretation required.

Just like the power of bad guys is inversely proportional to the number of them currently on screen, the power of a card is inversely proportional to the amount of words in the description.

I'm sorry but you said too many words
Can you play it again next duel and explain in that episode again please

https://youtu.be/6pR-WNlXDwQ

yugioh became more than just monsters with high attack points

even with the limited number of cards you hold in the very first turn, things could be escalated to a winning scenario, the lack of pot of greed slightly decrease the chance of that happening

Philip027 posted...

IDK, but in what little I've dabbled in of the Pokemon TCG (that is, the Game Boy game), I remember feeling the same way about the Bill trainer card, which does literally the exact same thing as this. Putting 4 Bills into the deck (the max it allows) was practically a given for me.

Its basically this, its because if it was legal theres literally no reason not to put it in your deck. Even a card that only had the effect to draw you one card effortlessly would likely be banned or limited (and i think the closest thing upstart goblin IS limited). It basically means you get to have a 37 card deck instead of a 40 card deck with no downside or complications, which makes your deck more consistent so theres no reason not to run 3 copies of it. And of course the problem is worse since you get 2 cards instead of 1, ESPECIALLY in yugioh which doesn't have a recourse system like pokemon's energy or mtg's mana: that card might be just what you needed to pull off a big combo.
Basically, it would just be an auto include in every deck and make the game much mire explosive and about who goes first which is why its banned

So it sullies the meta.

Solid_Sonic posted...

You draw two cards. Nothing more than what is written. No interpretation required.

He asked that question because It's a reference to the characters in the anime constantly repeating what it does
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wuH84iNLJ8U

cadcrafter posted...

Its basically this, its because if it was legal theres literally no reason not to put it in your deck. Even a card that only had the effect to draw you one card effortlessly would likely be banned or limited (and i think the closest thing upstart goblin IS limited). It basically means you get to have a 37 card deck instead of a 40 card deck with no downside or complications, which makes your deck more consistent so theres no reason not to run 3 copies of it. And of course the problem is worse since you get 2 cards instead of 1, ESPECIALLY in yugioh which doesn't have a recourse system like pokemon's energy or mtg's mana: that card might be just what you needed to pull off a big combo.
Basically, it would just be an auto include in every deck and make the game much mire explosive and about who goes first which is why its banned

37? youre thinking too low lol its such a basic and good card, you could have a 43 card deck and no down sides because if you draw it, you get 2 cards

PoG will never be a brick in your hand

Pointless_Topic posted...

He asked that question because It's a reference to the characters in the anime constantly repeating what it does
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wuH84iNLJ8U

Soooo i watched this video a few times and i still dont get it.

Can someone ELI5 what Pot of Greed actually does?

This card isn't that strong anymore tbh. So it's surprising how often it's still brought up in regards to broken cards.

I know it's a different fame but Pokemon cards seem way more out of control based on my limited knowledge

Prof Syc.
Discard hand, draw 7

Shauna
Shuffle hand, draw 5

Roller Skates
Flip coin, if heads draw 4, up to 4 in deck AND no limit

After seeing the bullshit you can do now, there is literally no reason for it to be banned.

MedeaLysistrata posted...

I know it's a different fame but Pokemon cards seem way more out of control based on my limited knowledge

Prof Syc.
Discard hand, draw 7

Shauna
Shuffle hand, draw 5

Roller Skates
Flip coin, if heads draw 4, up to 4 in deck AND no limit

It's a different game. Professor Oak isn't even that good of a card, for comparison.

Anyways:
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/6/6/8/AAEv3mAAETEM.jpg

MedeaLysistrata posted...

I know it's a different fame but Pokemon cards seem way more out of control based on my limited knowledge

Prof Syc.
Discard hand, draw 7

Shauna
Shuffle hand, draw 5

Roller Skates
Flip coin, if heads draw 4, up to 4 in deck AND no limit

Pokemon is by far the most "gambly" of TCGs. Big draws and prize cards, but that's why I love it.

Biofighter55 posted...

37? youre thinking too low lol its such a basic and good card, you could have a 43 card deck and no down sides because if you draw it, you get 2 cards

PoG will never be a brick in your hand

I mean yeah. Just explaining that a card that even draws you one card with no downsides is already something that shouldnt exist, nevermind something that actually lets you go +1

ellis123 posted...

Anyways:

It's six mana, and still has to resolve from the stack.

Questionmarktarius posted...

It's six mana, and still has to resolve from the stack.

*And*?

If pog was unbanned the game would turn into pog + 39 cards. Pog is the most splashable card in the game.

Let's say you and your opponent each have 5 cards in your hands. And for each card your opponent has, you have a card that can counter/disable it (and vice versa). The game is even and you both get to counter one another until you both run out of cards at the same time.

Now let's imagine your opponent has Pot of Greed in their hand. They play the card, get to draw two more cards, and the net result is them having 6 and you still only having 5. Now, they get to cancel out every card in your hand, and then still get to play one more card. That one card can be the game winner, and playing Pot of Greed came at no personal cost to them. You lost because they drew/played Pot of Greed before you got to.

Never played yugioh but a deck based game without a hand limit becomes easy mode if you draw enough cards. I can see why it would be banned.

ZMythos posted...

Let's say you and your opponent each have 5 cards in your hands. And for each card your opponent has, you have a card that can counter/disable it (and vice versa). The game is even and you both get to counter one another until you both run out of cards at the same time.

Now let's imagine your opponent has Pot of Greed in their hand. They play the card, get to draw two more cards, and the net result is them having 6 and you still only having 5. Now, they get to cancel out every card in your hand, and then still get to play one more card. That one card can be the game winner, and playing Pot of Greed came at no personal cost to them. You lost because they drew/played Pot of Greed before you got to.

But in that same case, your opponent has more cards in his deck than you, so you risk drawing all your cards and losing because of it.

I haven't played YuGiOh since the first season of the Anime ended, but if there's anything that can mill/make your opponent draw cards, PoG is only going to make things worse for you.

I play MTG at this point, so correct me if I'm wrong.

It's a free +2 that will never be a brick. It's broken in goat format and would be insane in modern. Even cards that add a cost are worth running because of how insane drawing 2 cards is.

CM_Ponch posted...

It's a free +2 that will never be a brick. It's broken in goat format and would be insane in modern. Even cards that add a cost are worth running because of how insane drawing 2 cards is.

Isn't it a + 1? You trade -1 Pog itself for two more cards.

deathproof12 posted...

Isn't it a + 1? You trade -1 Pog itself for two more cards.

Correct, it's a +1. Now Graceful Charity, that's a potential +4 I think? Draw 3, so you're at +2, then send 2 cards to the graveyard but you can send resources you WANT in there as the cost. In that regard it is even less likely to ever be unbanned.

Lokison posted...

But in that same case, your opponent has more cards in his deck than you, so you risk drawing all your cards and losing because of it.

I haven't played YuGiOh since the first season of the Anime ended, but if there's anything that can mill/make your opponent draw cards, PoG is only going to make things worse for you.

I play MTG at this point, so correct me if I'm wrong.

Well the more cards you have, the less likely you are to draw a card you want. A deck with 50 cards has a 1/50 chance of drawing a specific card, a deck with 40 cards is 1/40. Ignoring duplicates and searches, you still have the advantage when drawing cards if you have a smaller deck. Pot of Greed gives you extra chances to draw into a game-winning card.

A big part of it is the no negative.
Someone else could explain it better.

Generally a "draw 1 card" is a +1 effect.
There's usually a -1 or similar effect (banish a card, shuffle the deck, sacrifice or discard, etc.)
Cards generally even out to +1 or +0 with all effects.
PoG is a +2.

There's literally no reason to not run 3.

deathproof12 posted...

Isn't it a + 1? You trade -1 Pog itself for two more cards.

No, because there's no cost to Pot, you lose nothing and gain 2

CM_Ponch posted...

No, because there's no cost to Pot, you lose nothing and gain 2

Playing the card IS a -1 in card advantage which only factors in total cards available.

Draw 2 cards from where tho it doesnt even specify.

deathproof12 posted...

If pog was unbanned the game would turn into pog + 39 cards. Pog is the most splashable card in the game.

actually it would 40+pog because you lose nothing, it can never brick so it would be dumb to make a 40 card deck with it.

you better off making your 40 card deck then slapping PoG in it.