Current Events > Pigs slaughter Amber Alert victim that was fleeing her kidnapper

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Just_a_loser posted...

I am honestly not sure what to make of this case.

I heard the daughter was actually armed and that she and her father were firing weapons in public in a Bonnie and Clyde manner.

Which they even said she was dressed in tactical gear.

If this is true, you can hardly blame the cops for shooting her. That's defense.

Do you like ketchup or mayo with your boot

With the stuff like this going, police as a concept is something we don't need anymore.

I gotta say I'm quite miffed by how many incorrect opinions I'm seeing in here.

The cops should all be fired on the spot and taken to court.

Just_a_loser posted...

I am honestly not sure what to make of this case.

I heard the daughter was actually armed and that she and her father were firing weapons in public in a Bonnie and Clyde manner.

Which they even said she was dressed in tactical gear.

If this is true, you can hardly blame the cops for shooting her. That's defense.

Who did you hear it from? The cops? Cops lie all the fucking time.

So just to be clear, we can just call cops "pigs"?

MarvAlbert posted...

So just to be clear, we can just call cops "pigs"?

I got modded for that recently, due to generalising police

MarvAlbert posted...

So just to be clear, we can just call cops "pigs"?

See, pigs actually serve a purpose. So that would imply Cops can be useful.

SaintArnold posted...

See, pigs actually serve a purpose. So that would imply Cops can be useful.

See, you're not new here, you fit right in. You knew what you were doing.

jfc thats awful

Bloodmoon77 posted...

Very fucked up by why run towards the cops in the middle of a shootout and not just...away..

Really questioning a murdered kidnapping victim who had just lost her mother?

I realize HHH is warned but his "you should never judge a whole group" statement seems appropriate on it's face.. until you take into fact that some groups are judged from an "empirical" point of view (KKK believing one race is superior). From that it seems judging (or evaluating) whole groups *is* appropriate in some circumstances...

Ruvan22 posted...

I realize HHH is warned but his "you should never judge a whole group" statement seems appropriate on it's face.. until you take into fact that some groups are judged from an "empirical" point of view (KKK believing one race is superior). From that it seems judging (or evaluating) whole groups *is* appropriate in some circumstances...

He was posting entirely in bad faith. I wouldn't delve too much on what he had to say.

Ruvan22 posted...

I realize HHH is warned but his "you should never judge a whole group" statement seems appropriate on it's face.. until you take into fact that some groups are judged from an "empirical" point of view (KKK believing one race is superior). From that it seems judging (or evaluating) whole groups *is* appropriate in some circumstances...

HHH is warned? Womp womp lol

Ruvan22 posted...

I realize HHH is warned but his "you should never judge a whole group" statement seems appropriate on it's face.. until you take into fact that some groups are judged from an "empirical" point of view (KKK believing one race is superior). From that it seems judging (or evaluating) whole groups *is* appropriate in some circumstances...

I do definitely agree there. You can certainly judge the KKK because they are a group defined on beliefs that are abhorrent. Theres no good reason to join the KKK.

HHH_is_the_game posted...

I do definitely agree there. You can certainly judge the KKK because they are a group defined on beliefs that are abhorrent. Theres no good reason to join the KKK.

The cops are defined on beliefs that are abhorrent. They are literally taught, from day one, that everybody is a threat and that they're not there to protect or serve us.

I hope those responsible for her murder are punished to the fullest extent possible under the law. Though regrettably I'm not going to hold my breath

RIP

wackyteen posted...

The cops are defined on beliefs that are abhorrent. They are literally taught, from day one, that everybody is a threat and that they're not there to protect or serve us.

Im sorry, but i I get warned for comparing slurs against cops to racism, it should be be equally moddable as trolling to say that cops are equivalent to the KKK

HHH_is_the_game posted...

Im sorry, but i I get warned for comparing slurs against cops to racism, it should be be equally moddable as trolling to say that cops are equivalent to the KKK

I'd say they're worse because the KKK is mostly harmless to the general public, outside of their extremely toxic ideology.

Police are an active threat to their community because a hyped up cop can fear for their life and shoot anyone dead because of that fear.

If you knew someone that was afraid of literally everyone and was willing to murder any and everyone dead that dared look at them wrong, you'd call them a paranoid schizo who is a dangerous threat to society, that should never be allowed to roam the streets in any capacity ever again. For whatever fucking reason, society has deemed that those individuals should be armed at all times and given free reign to fuck with the public, regardless of if there is an actual legally justifiable reason.

wackyteen posted...

I'd say they're worse because the KKK is mostly harmless to the general public, outside of their extremely toxic ideology.

Police are an active threat to their community because a hyped up cop can fear for their life and shoot anyone dead because of that fear.

If you knew someone that was afraid of literally everyone and was willing to murder any and everyone dead that dared look at them wrong, you'd call them a paranoid schizo who is a dangerous threat to society, that should never be allowed to roam the streets in any capacity ever again. For whatever fucking reason, society has deemed that those individuals should be armed at all times and given free reign to fuck with the public, regardless of if there is an actual legally justifiable reason.

The difference is every KKK member is like that, while there are also good cops that try their best to help people and make a difference in a positive way. I don't think there are many kind KKK members that join the KKK to actually help offset the racist KKK members. Therefore, it's ok to label the entire KKK IMO, but not the police

Wheres that pig darkprince at, eh?

where the fuck is he

HHH_is_the_game posted...

The difference is every KKK member is like that, while there are also good cops that try their best to help people and make a difference in a positive way. I don't think there are many kind KKK members that join the KKK to actually help offset the racist KKK members. Therefore, it's ok to label the entire KKK IMO, but not the police

Those good cops are fewer and fewer. These cops get training that literally drills into them to approach every single individual they engage with as a potential threat. This radicalizes the cop to be a loose trigger because they're always on edge. They're trained to think that every person they pull over is going to have an AK-47, a revolver, a 9 and a MAC-11 all aimed out the window at them, ready to Swiss cheese them and they're trained to turn anyone into Swiss cheese the moment they fail to comply any order. They're not taught deescalation, only escalation because the mindset only allows escalation.

This is by design.

HHH_is_the_game posted...

The difference is every KKK member is like that, while there are also good cops that try their best to help people and make a difference in a positive way. I don't think there are many kind KKK members that join the KKK to actually help offset the racist KKK members. Therefore, it's ok to label the entire KKK IMO, but not the police

Okay let me start from here - if we have empirical evidence (not saying we do) that there are fewer cops who "want to make a difference" than the reverse, is it okay to state "the average policeman doesn't want to make a difference"?

Ruvan22 posted...

Okay let me start from here - if we have empirical evidence (not saying we do) that there are fewer cops who "want to make a difference" than the reverse, is it okay to state "the average policeman doesn't want to make a difference"?

yes, in those circumstances, that sentence would be valid I would say

HHH_is_the_game posted...

yes, in those circumstances, that sentence would be valid I would say

So the following statements are empirically true, correct?

• Police unions regularly work to decrease accountability and consequences
• Unlike other professions, police are given more leniency for mistakes due to qualified immunity
• Unlike other professions, police who are found liable/at fault generally do not have to offer financial restitution themselves, as the city/county/state etc. pays the settlement

Do you agree with this statement? I *don't* have evidence to support it, hence why it's separate

• The number of times a police officer/commander has covered up the mistakes/poor behaviors of a police officer is greater than the number of times a police officer/commander has tried to hold one accountable.

Ruvan22 posted...

The number of times a police officer/commander has covered up the mistakes/poor behaviors of a police officer is greater than the number of times a police officer/commander has tried to hold one accountable.

I don't know about empirical evidence however any time an officer has been held accountable, it is always despite protection attempts and not because of the lack of them. Meaning that attempts to hold police accountable can only at best ever be equal to or less than the attempts to insulate them, never greater.

Unless you're counting collaborative attempts by individual people against the same offense as unique attempts.

Tyranthraxus posted...

I don't know about empirical evidence however any time an officer has been held accountable, it is always despite protection attempts and not because of the lack of them. Meaning that attempts to hold police accountable can only at best ever be equal to or less than the attempts to insulate them, never greater.

Unless you're counting collaborative attempts by individual people against the same offense as unique attempts.

That's what I was asking HHH in a way.. whether he believes "its just a few bad apples" and the system works well to get rid of them

Theoretically theres got to be at least 1 good cop somewhere............

Tactical gear yeah right they just put it on her for an agenda.

RIP to her daughter tho.
Just hurt by that i have one of my own can't imagine the cops killing her by mistake. Id freaking sue cash won't bring her back tho...

Musictime777 posted...

RIP to her daughter tho.
Just hurt by that i have one of my own can't imagine the cops killing her by mistake. Id freaking sue cash won't bring her back tho...

You can't. Qualified Immunity prevents civil lawsuits and the kidnapper is dead so you wouldn't be getting any money from him.