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bsp77
09/26/22 4:40:42 PM
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Maybe the guys that stay on there are worse than the guys that are only on there for a bit, so it gets skewed away from average at any given point in time, even if those who have ever used it is normal. And this makes sense of course, because decent guys often find someone, whether through the app or in person, and therefore leave them.

I have had a few short relationships due to the apps and a 2 year one. I also have a couple of guy friends that are in current relationships due to the apps. And I have a close female friend of mine who just got married from a guy she met online.. What's funny is she was actually the 1st person I ever online dated but we ended up just becoming friends.

Edit: I know you like people. I see you give the benefit of the doubt despite your own experiences all the time

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NoxObscuras
09/26/22 4:48:07 PM
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Oh that explains so much. I thought it was weird. It seemed like he was annoyed about ghosting and taking it out on you specifically.

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rexcrk
09/26/22 4:50:56 PM
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Lost_All_Senses
09/26/22 4:54:56 PM
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Ghosting is done by assholes and socially crippled individuals. And they know which one they are when they're doing it. One I understand, the other can go fuck themselves.

I don't ghost btw. This isn't me justifying my own life.

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MrDrMan
09/26/22 5:07:13 PM
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Lost_All_Senses posted...
Ghosting is done by assholes and socially crippled individuals. And they know which one they are when they're doing it. One I understand, the other can go fuck themselves.

I don't ghost btw. This isn't me justifying my own life.

This is exactly why people ghost. Because people like you that overreact to basic rejection. Calling people assholes and telling them to go fuck themselves because you didnt get a text back? If you react like this to no text back imagine how you would to a less than ideal text.

YIKES. Grow the fuck up. Please.

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Lost_All_Senses
09/26/22 5:15:54 PM
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MrDrMan posted...
This is exactly why people ghost. Because people like you that overreact to basic rejection. Calling people assholes and telling them to go fuck themselves because you didnt get a text back? If you react like this to no text back imagine how you would to a less than ideal text.

YIKES. Grow the fuck up. Please.

Uh...you completely ignored the part where I said only some were assholes and those ones knew who they were. Then I went on to say that some just aren't equipped socially to face someone and gave them a pass.

It's so weird how many times you guys only read the part of the post that allows you you justify going off on someone.

All you're doing is saying that nobody who ghosts is doing it bevause they're an asshole. So, you're defending every single person who does it regardless of intent and maliciousness

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MrDrMan
09/26/22 5:20:12 PM
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Lost_All_Senses posted...
Uh...you completely ignored the part where I said only some were assholes and those ones knew who they were. Then I went on to say that some just aren't equipped socially to face someone and gave them a pass.

It's so weird how many times you guys only read the part of the post that allows you you justify going off on someone.

I read the entire post. Its still a massive overreaction. Someone not texting back deserves to be called an asshole and told to go fuck themselves? It is an extreme overreaction regardless no matter how you look at it.

You never know why people ghost so it isnt your place to say its only acceptable if people are socially awkward.


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MrDrMan
09/26/22 5:22:16 PM
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Lost_All_Senses posted...
Uh...you completely ignored the part where I said only some were assholes and those ones knew who they were. Then I went on to say that some just aren't equipped socially to face someone and gave them a pass.

It's so weird how many times you guys only read the part of the post that allows you you justify going off on someone.

All you're doing is saying that nobody who ghosts is doing it bevause they're an asshole. So, you're defending every single person who does it regardless of intent and maliciousness

Yes, actually I am. Just as people have the right to at any time refuse consent in sexual encounters they have the right to refuse interaction. At any time.

Thats just how it is. People dont owe you their time or energy. Calling them assholes for that is ridiculous. Move on. You act as if someone ghosting is doing you harm.

If you are so offended by being ghosted the problem is you not them. Its not that deep.

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Lost_All_Senses
09/26/22 5:25:04 PM
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MrDrMan posted...
Yes, actually I am. Just as people have the right to at any time refuse consent in sexual encounters they have the right to refuse interaction. At any time.

Thats just how it is. People dont owe you their time or energy. Calling them assholes for that is ridiculous. Move on. You act as if someone ghosting is doing you harm.

Lol. Ok. Sounds like you don't give a shit how the person on the other end feels. But you do you. Whatever helps you convince yourself you're not the asshole. If that last paragraph isn't "asshole energy" to you, we have different understandings of the word. I usually try to make sure people I interact with are comfortable and know what's going on. But again, you do you

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Naysaspace
09/26/22 5:27:22 PM
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it obviously is not, and the twitterer knows that. she just wants to feel at ease for being a terrible communicator.

ghosting, inherently, is lazy and cowardly. just send a message, "hey i'm moving on, yadda yadda". Then if they get aggressive, ignore them.
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Lost_All_Senses
09/26/22 5:28:49 PM
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Naysaspace posted...
it obviously is not, and the twitterer knows that. she just wants to feel at ease for being a terrible communicator.

ghosting, inherently, is lazy and cowardly. just send a message, "hey i'm moving on, yadda yadda". Then if they get aggressive, ignore them.

Yeah. That's basically it. Im not really here to be the guy people argue to justify this. So im out.

Bottom line is some people care about both people's experience and some only care about their own

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Crimsoness
09/26/22 5:29:16 PM
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It's pretty clear

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MrDrMan
09/26/22 5:33:44 PM
#68:


Lost_All_Senses posted...
Lol. Ok. Sounds like you don't give a shit how the person on the other end feels. But you do you. Whatever helps you convince yourself you're not the asshole. If that last paragraph isn't "asshole energy" to you, we have different understandings of the word. I usually try to make sure people I interact with are comfortable and know what's going on. But again, you do you

Not even about that. Life happens. Like Ive said multiple times you have no idea why people ghost or what theyre going through.

My half brothers grandmother died last week. He hasnt really spoke to anyone since. Is he an asshole for ceasing communication? Does he owe people explanations? Fuck no.

Its ridiculously selfish to label someone an asshole just because you cant handle your own insecurity. Rejections happen. Let it go. Youre assuming everyone ghosts with bad intentions which is just 100% not true.

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Gobstoppers12
09/26/22 5:45:42 PM
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By other humans. You recognize this problem and yet you knowingly perpetuate it.

Interesting. I think I've heard what I need to hear.

Ghosting is a mean thing to do to someone. That's the final word I have on the subject.

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silverpine
09/26/22 5:49:20 PM
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you MUST talk to me or you're MEAN!!!

lol how are you a real person
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MrDrMan
09/26/22 5:50:05 PM
#71:


silverpine posted...
you MUST talk to me or you're MEAN!!!

lol how are you a real person

Right? Like are we in elementary school?

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Gobstoppers12
09/26/22 5:51:29 PM
#72:


silverpine posted...
you MUST talk to me or you're MEAN!!!

lol how are you a real person
One sentence is the difference between clear communication and mysterious disappearance. It's really not asking that much. If you decide that somebody's mental wellbeing isn't worth one line of a text message, then maybe they're better off without you lol

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MrToothHasYou
09/26/22 5:51:48 PM
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I mean its not good communication, but its probably pretty clear the majority of the time. Unless the other person is autistic or has some kind of neurodivergence that makes them struggle to understand social cues, of coursein which case it could be both bad and unclear communication.

Bottom line is ghosting is sort of like not putting your shopping cart awayin general its going to be viewed as bad practice or unduly rude behavior, unless you have a reasonable justification for doing so.

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MrDrMan
09/26/22 5:54:57 PM
#74:


Gobstoppers12 posted...
One sentence is the difference between clear communication and mysterious disappearance. It's really not asking that much. If you decide that somebody's mental wellbeing isn't worth one line of a text message, then maybe they're better off without you lol

Why is your mental wellbeing so dependent on someone you barely know?

That isnt anyone elses responsibility to carry.


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NoxObscuras
09/26/22 6:03:08 PM
#75:


MrDrMan posted...
Not even about that. Life happens. Like Ive said multiple times you have no idea why people ghost or what theyre going through.

My half brothers grandmother died last week. He hasnt really spoke to anyone since. Is he an asshole for ceasing communication? Does he owe people explanations? Fuck no.

Its ridiculously selfish to label someone an asshole just because you cant handle your own insecurity. Rejections happen. Let it go. Youre assuming everyone ghosts with bad intentions which is just 100% not true.
That scenario is an exception, not the norm. A majority of ghosters do it because they don't want to deal with how the other person will react. They don't owe the other person an explanation, but surely you can understand why it would bother people.

MrToothHasYou posted...
I mean its not good communication, but its probably pretty clear the majority of the time.
It's not immediately clear though. It's clear, only after some time has passed. When it goes from "maybe they're busy" to "nope... definitely ghosted"

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Gobstoppers12
09/26/22 6:09:37 PM
#76:


MrDrMan posted...
Why is your mental wellbeing so dependent on someone you barely know?
Not talking about me in particular. Talking about people in general, especially the kind of people who frequently get ghosted or rejected on dating sites. It's about being empathetic and being honest.

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Jiek_Fafn
09/26/22 6:14:01 PM
#77:


Ghosting means they aren't interested. Idgaf why. It's not important

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MrDrMan
09/26/22 6:17:19 PM
#78:


NoxObscuras posted...
That scenario is an exception, not the norm. A majority of ghosters do it because they don't want to deal with how the other person will react. They don't owe the other person an explanation, but surely you can understand why it would bother people.

It's not immediately clear though. It's clear, only after some time has passed. When it goes from "maybe they're busy" to "nope... definitely ghosted"

I get why it bothers people but I dont understand why people are being so hostile about it.

Its not that serious. You never know why someone did and to be honest it doesnt matter. Just gotta move on,

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MedeaLysistrata
09/26/22 6:18:30 PM
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CruelBuffalo posted...
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Non profits don't give me the time of day, is that the same thing?

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Gobstoppers12
09/26/22 6:18:45 PM
#80:


MrDrMan posted...
I get why it bothers people but I dont understand why people are being so hostile about it.
It's this whole thing of..."dating sucks, people are mean" but not wanting to take a couple of small steps to make it a little better for people.

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MrDrMan
09/26/22 6:19:22 PM
#81:


Gobstoppers12 posted...
Not talking about me in particular. Talking about people in general, especially the kind of people who frequently get ghosted or rejected on dating sites. It's about being empathetic and being honest.

Everyone frequently gets rejected on dating sites. Thats the nature of a dating site. On tinder people literally swipe left and will never see you again. I dont see it as any different.

Its definitely not worth being upset over at least IMO.

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Gobstoppers12
09/26/22 6:22:53 PM
#82:


MrDrMan posted...
On tinder people literally swipe left and will never see you again. I dont see it as any different.
If you get swiped left, that's never initiating contact at all. If you've started a conversation, made plans, or even had a full date, ghosting with no warning or explanation is rude as fuck.

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MedeaLysistrata
09/26/22 6:24:30 PM
#83:


Gobstoppers12 posted...
If you get swiped left, that's never initiating contact at all. If you've started a conversation, made plans, or even had a full date, ghosting with no warning or explanation is rude as fuck.
Uhh why

I will check reddit

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haloiscoolisbak
09/26/22 6:25:58 PM
#84:


It's the worst thing for my schizo brain to deal with lol. A simple rejection/honest explanation is 50x easier to deal with then "I'm never taking to you again. Guess why"

However before you've met someone there's different rules for sure. I wouldn't expect clarity from someone I've been messaging for a couple of days on a dating app who stops.

But if I've made the time and effort to go and meet you in person for a date, which for me is daunting, a line has been crossed. You're now an actual person to me not text on a screen.

If this ever becomes completely acceptable ettiquette we've gone backwards as a species

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MrDrMan
09/26/22 6:27:09 PM
#85:


Gobstoppers12 posted...
If you get swiped left, that's never initiating contact at all. If you've started a conversation, made plans, or even had a full date, ghosting with no warning or explanation is rude as fuck.

I dont think its a big deal. I think the real problem is people becoming too invested too soon because why are you even upset about that?

My current girlfriend and I were hooking up for the better part of a year. We had a few months where we didnt speak. Then one day we ran into each other again and picked up where we left off and have been together since.

You never know why and you never know if that person will come back into your life. To avoid that person feeling guilty, to avoid your own feelings of inadequacy and to avoid stress altogether I beg you to just let it go. It will work out.

Like why is the fact you had a conversation or date relevant? That doesnt mean you know someone.

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KhlavicLanguage
09/26/22 6:28:02 PM
#86:


dating apps are so fucking stupid lmao
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frozenstar
09/26/22 6:28:02 PM
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If a girl ignores you for multiple days without any explanation or checking in it's time to give up.
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MrMallard
09/26/22 6:28:57 PM
#88:


It's a bit of both.

If I'm the one ghosting, it's clear that I don't want to talk to them and they need to wisen up and take a hint.

If they're ghosting, HAVE SOME FUCKING HUMAN DECENCY AND LET ME KNOW, FUCK. SERIOUSLY IT ONLY TAKES A FEW SECONDS TO BE POLITE

it should go without saying but I'm joking

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Gobstoppers12
09/26/22 6:36:23 PM
#89:


MrDrMan posted...
Like why is the fact you had a conversation or date relevant? That doesnt mean you know someone.
Given that the whole purpose of a dating app is to get to know someone and try to build a relationship with them...I feel like there's kind of a reasonable expectation of being told that there's no chance of it getting any further. Some people only talk to one person at a time, and will put off visiting the app/site until they're sure one didn't work out.

Why are you defending ghosting so much? It has a net negative impact. The only positive is one person avoids like five minutes of awkward text conversation. The negative is that the other person might end up spending days worrying or wondering what happened. It's a rude thing to do and it should be discouraged by society.

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NoxObscuras
09/26/22 6:38:06 PM
#90:


haloiscoolisbak posted...
If this ever becomes completely acceptable ettiquette we've gone backwards as a species
It's already become acceptable etiquette. Just look at this topic. Tons of people just see it as a part of dating and not a big deal.

I think it's crazy that it's reached this point, but nothing I can do to change it, so I have no choice but to roll with it too. She stops responding, then I just move on to the next person.

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Cleo_II
09/26/22 6:38:52 PM
#91:


TheLiarParadox posted...
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MrDrMan
09/26/22 6:59:09 PM
#92:


Gobstoppers12 posted...
Given that the whole purpose of a dating app is to get to know someone and try to build a relationship with them...I feel like there's kind of a reasonable expectation of being told that there's no chance of it getting any further. Some people only talk to one person at a time, and will put off visiting the app/site until they're sure one didn't work out.

Why are you defending ghosting so much? It has a net negative impact. The only positive is one person avoids like five minutes of awkward text conversation. The negative is that the other person might end up spending days worrying or wondering what happened. It's a rude thing to do and it should be discouraged by society.

Because people need to realize that society isnt gonna walk on eggshells for them. If it hurts your feelings thats fine but society isnt gonna change its stance on this. Its already been decided.

People are rude everyday I dont see why this is the hill you want to die on.


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Gobstoppers12
09/26/22 7:02:35 PM
#93:


MrDrMan posted...
society isnt gonna change its stance on this. Its already been decided.
Society evolves over time. Think of all the other things that society wasn't going to change its stance on in the past.

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KhlavicLanguage
09/26/22 7:03:35 PM
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i dont really care if i get ghosted but i do think there's this worrying trend of people becoming overly avoidant of even the slightest negative interaction. i guess the classic example is the zoomer afraid to ask for their mistaken order to be fixed at mcdonalds, that's like a whole genre of memes. my friends who mention ghosting people are definitely more towards that end of the spectrum. they'll say they completely stopped talking to an acquaintance just because that person mentioned not liking their favorite movie or something. shit's weird.
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apocalyptic_4
09/26/22 7:05:04 PM
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I've done it numerous times it's always because I'm not interested anymore. Had it happen to me also and assumed the same thing.


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MrDrMan
09/26/22 7:07:45 PM
#96:


Gobstoppers12 posted...
Society evolves over time. Think of all the other things that society wasn't going to change its stance on in the past.

I dont think society is ever gonna think someone should be guilt tripped into communication.

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Background_Guy
09/26/22 7:09:18 PM
#97:


Naysaspace posted...
it obviously is not, and the twitterer knows that. she just wants to feel at ease for being a terrible communicator.

ghosting, inherently, is lazy and cowardly. just send a message, "hey i'm moving on, yadda yadda". Then if they get aggressive, ignore them.
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frozenstar
09/26/22 7:10:10 PM
#98:


Background_Guy posted...
Brub this whole thread is just people reassuring themselves that it's okay to have terrible social skills lol
if a chick ghosts you, it's probably on you or it isn't on you and you shouldn't take it personally. just take the L and move on.
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Background_Guy
09/26/22 7:11:36 PM
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frozenstar posted...
if a chick ghosts you, it's probably on you or it isn't on you and you shouldn't take it personally. just take the L and move on.
Learn basic social interaction bro, don't make excuses for yourself
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MrDrMan
09/26/22 7:12:47 PM
#100:


Background_Guy posted...
Learn basic social interaction bro, don't make excuses for yourself

If you dont understand that people can refuse to engage at any time for any reason then youre the one lacking social skills.

Literally nobody cares about your feelings. Time to wake up.

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Crimsoness
09/26/22 7:14:29 PM
#101:


Background_Guy posted...
Learn basic social interaction bro
Basic social interaction should tell you that if someone doesn't respond to you then they don't wanna talk to you.

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