Current Events > Wtf was Jesses motivation? (Breaking Bad Spoilers)

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Lairen 09/26/22 2:11:47 PM #1:	He wants to deal drugs but he doesnt. He wants out but he doesnt. He wants a girl friend but he doesnt. Hes passive or sad until he explodes. Everyone else has clear motivations. --- When it rains, it pours. <cite>Lairen posted [p:968307635] in Wtf was Je... [t:80178953]...</cite> <quote>He wants to deal drugs but he doesnt. He wants out but he doesnt. He wants a girl friend but he doesnt. Hes passive or sad until he explodes.Everyone else has clear motivations.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Error1355 09/26/22 2:12:58 PM #2:	Part of the journey is him finding himself and who and what he wants to actually be, and how Walter ruined every aspect of his life for his own gain. --- I'm a long, long way from giving up Call me old-fashioned, call me a fool <cite>Error1355 posted [p:968307660] in Wtf was Je... [t:80178953]...</cite> <quote>Part of the journey is him finding himself and who and what he wants to actually be, and how Walter ruined every aspect of his life for his own gain.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
pogo_rabid 09/26/22 2:14:43 PM #3:	Just look at jesse's parents. I feel a lot of his fucked up personality is tied to how they raised him, they realized how much they fucked up but wont admit it to themselves, but are raising his brother completely differently is an admission of this fact --- Ryzen 3800x, 6900XT, 32 gig, 970pro, Asus Strix x570-E FC: SW-8431-3263-1243 <cite>pogo_rabid posted [p:968307701] in Wtf was Je... [t:80178953]...</cite> <quote>Just look at jesse's parents. I feel a lot of his fucked up personality is tied to how they raised him, they realized how much they fucked up but wont admit it to themselves, but are raising his brother completely differently is an admission of this fact</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lairen 09/26/22 2:15:36 PM #4:	Error1355 posted... Part of the journey is him finding himself and who and what he wants to actually be, and how Walter ruined every aspect of his life for his own gain. Walt has plenty of blame and faults and such but not knowing yourself and blindly following a dying sick old dude that wants to be a drug lord before he dies soon is on you kid. Jesse isnt that young and wasnt doing anything good to begin with.... --- When it rains, it pours. <cite>Lairen posted [p:968307720] in Wtf was Je... [t:80178953]...</cite> <quote>Error1355 posted... </cite><quote>Part of the journey is him finding himself and who and what he wants to actually be, and how Walter ruined every aspect of his life for his own gain.</quote>Walt has plenty of blame and faults and such but not knowing yourself and blindly following a dying sick old dude that wants to be a drug lord before he dies soon is on you kid. Jesse isnt that young and wasnt doing anything good to begin with....</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
g0ldie 09/26/22 2:15:47 PM #5:	when he was small time, he didn't see all the people he was hurting by supplying the drug. as for the girlfriend thing, what happened with Jane was traumatic but Andrea helped open that part of him up again... and that was traumatic too --- https://streamable.com/zrtjki <cite>g0ldie posted [p:968307724] in Wtf was Je... [t:80178953]...</cite> <quote>when he was small time, he didn't see all the people he was hurting by supplying the drug. as for the girlfriend thing, what happened with Jane was traumatic but Andrea helped open that part of him up again... and that was traumatic too</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Pitlord_Special 09/26/22 2:19:18 PM #6:	Fat stacks yo --- Posted from my iPhone 13 <cite>Pitlord_Special posted [p:968307795] in Wtf was Je... [t:80178953]...</cite> <quote>Fat stacks yo</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
cp87 09/26/22 2:21:44 PM #7:	pogo_rabid posted... Just look at jesse's parents. I feel a lot of his fucked up personality is tied to how they raised him, they realized how much they fucked up but wont admit it to themselves, but are raising his brother completely differently is an admission of this fact Could you elaborate on how his parents raised him wrong? --- If you ain't first you're last. <cite>cp87 posted [p:968307849] in Wtf was Je... [t:80178953]...</cite> <quote>pogo_rabid posted... </cite><quote>Just look at jesse's parents. I feel a lot of his fucked up personality is tied to how they raised him, they realized how much they fucked up but wont admit it to themselves, but are raising his brother completely differently is an admission of this fact</quote>Could you elaborate on how his parents raised him wrong? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
GuerrillaSoldier 09/26/22 2:22:14 PM #8:	to be bad it's in the title --- Disclaimer: There's a good chance the above post could be sarcasm. Die-hard Oakland A's fan --- Keep the A's in Oakland! <cite>GuerrillaSoldier posted [p:968307866] in Wtf was Je... [t:80178953]...</cite> <quote>to be badit's in the title</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
pogo_rabid 09/26/22 2:23:08 PM #9:	cp87 posted... Could you elaborate on how his parents raised him wrong? I feel they're overcompensating with the brother in every scene he's in. This kind of hits that they had a massive pendulum swing after subconsiously going "oh shit, we fucked up with the first one". --- Ryzen 3800x, 6900XT, 32 gig, 970pro, Asus Strix x570-E FC: SW-8431-3263-1243 <cite>pogo_rabid posted [p:968307885] in Wtf was Je... [t:80178953]...</cite> <quote>cp87 posted... </cite><quote>Could you elaborate on how his parents raised him wrong?</quote>I feel they're overcompensating with the brother in every scene he's in. This kind of hits that they had a massive pendulum swing after subconsiously going "oh shit, we fucked up with the first one". </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HagenEx 09/26/22 2:23:35 PM #10:	Lairen posted... He wants to deal drugs but he doesnt. He wants out but he doesnt. He wants a girl friend but he doesnt. Hes passive or sad until he explodes. Everyone else has clear motivations. The fuck do you mean lol. He's a junkie. Junkies don't know what the fuck they want. --- PWB's #1 Bad Bunny Mark <cite>HagenEx posted [p:968307894] in Wtf was Je... [t:80178953]...</cite> <quote>Lairen posted... </cite><quote>He wants to deal drugs but he doesnt. He wants out but he doesnt. He wants a girl friend but he doesnt. Hes passive or sad until he explodes.Everyone else has clear motivations.</quote>The fuck do you mean lol. He's a junkie. Junkies don't know what the fuck they want.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Error1355 09/26/22 2:23:58 PM #11:	Lairen posted... Walt has plenty of blame and faults and such but not knowing yourself and blindly following a dying sick old dude that wants to be a drug lord before he dies soon is on you kid. Nah he definitely didn't make good choices, I don't think anyone can debate that. --- I'm a long, long way from giving up Call me old-fashioned, call me a fool <cite>Error1355 posted [p:968307904] in Wtf was Je... [t:80178953]...</cite> <quote>Lairen posted... </cite><quote>Walt has plenty of blame and faults and such but not knowing yourself and blindly following a dying sick old dude that wants to be a drug lord before he dies soon is on you kid.</quote>Nah he definitely didn't make good choices, I don't think anyone can debate that.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ChocoboMog123 09/26/22 2:34:32 PM #12:	Jesse's motivation? Money and a sense of purpose. Walt was the same but wanted a sense of power, too. Plus, he was an addict. --- "You're sorely underestimating the power of nostalgia goggles." - adjl http://www.smbc-comics.com/comics/20110218.gif <cite>ChocoboMog123 posted [p:968308119] in Wtf was Je... [t:80178953]...</cite> <quote>Jesse's motivation? Money and a sense of purpose. Walt was the same but wanted a sense of power, too.Plus, he was an addict.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
pogo_rabid 09/26/22 2:35:07 PM #13:	HagenEx posted... The fuck do you mean lol. He's a junkie. Junkies don't know what the fuck they want. As someone who was raised by a junkie, they know exactly what they want. --- Ryzen 3800x, 6900XT, 32 gig, 970pro, Asus Strix x570-E FC: SW-8431-3263-1243 <cite>pogo_rabid posted [p:968308128] in Wtf was Je... [t:80178953]...</cite> <quote>HagenEx posted... </cite><quote>The fuck do you mean lol. He's a junkie. Junkies don't know what the fuck they want.</quote>As someone who was raised by a junkie, they know exactly what they want. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheHoldSteady 09/26/22 2:42:57 PM #14:	Money and approval. In the early seasons he just wants to make money. Later he's motivated by approval and starts to see Walt as a surrogate father figure because he's estranged from his biological father who was never really proud of him. So he's just trying to make him happy. --- When it's hard to see the benefits, the tavern is a decent way to seal off all the stimulus, feel something close to death but just a little bit <cite>TheHoldSteady posted [p:968308280] in Wtf was Je... [t:80178953]...</cite> <quote>Money and approval. In the early seasons he just wants to make money.Later he's motivated by approval and starts to see Walt as a surrogate father figure because he's estranged from his biological father who was never really proud of him. So he's just trying to make him happy. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Irony 09/26/22 3:19:57 PM #15:	To be the one who knocks --- I am Mogar, God of Irony and The Devourer of Topics. <cite>Irony posted [p:968308992] in Wtf was Je... [t:80178953]...</cite> <quote>To be the one who knocks</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lairen 09/26/22 3:35:21 PM #16:	Irony posted... To be the one who knocks Theres been a *serious lack of Walter knocking....* --- When it rains, it pours. <cite>Lairen posted [p:968309309] in Wtf was Je... [t:80178953]...</cite> <quote>Irony posted... </cite><quote>To be the one who knocks</quote>Theres been a serious lack of Walter knocking....</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Naysaspace 09/26/22 3:36:10 PM #17:	Expected good topic, got trash <cite>Naysaspace posted [p:968309330] in Wtf was Je... [t:80178953]...</cite> <quote>Expected good topic, got trash</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
tamagucci 09/26/22 3:37:51 PM #18:	it wasn't the motivations it was the friends he made along the way <cite>tamagucci posted [p:968309363] in Wtf was Je... [t:80178953]...</cite> <quote>it wasn't the motivations it was the friends he made along the way</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Doe 09/26/22 3:45:15 PM #19:	For starters, Jesse was blackmailed initially. Walter said he'd turn Jesse in if he didn't help Walter conduct business. He liked the money and the independence he got from the money. Then he has to go enforce a bag stolen from Pete at which point he encounters the child in the horrible meth home. That episode frames how Jesse feels about children and is the start of him realizing his street persona does not match his inner values. We also get a bit of that from him protecting his little brother when he moved back in with his parents. He meets Jane, and it doesn't go well. He has horrible guilt about his involvement in her death. At rehab, his leader's advice is that Jesse needs to live with what he's done. Jesse tries this, he tells Walter "I'm the bad guy" and tries his hand remorselessly peddling meth. He goes to sell at the AA meeting and meets his girlfriend. When he learns she has a kid it totally recontextualizes the meth business for him as he sees now that the people he directly sold to are trying to take care of families. Around this time he also learns one of his street guys is shot by a child used by some dealers in the same business he operates in. The business harming kids is incompatible with who Jesse is. At first he tries to reconcile these issues several times such as by killing the dealers or placing the blame at Gus' feet. Getting Gus killed after what happened to Brock helps Jesse feel better for a while. He convinces himself things will be different with Mr. White completely in charge as Walter has manipulated him for a long time and affirmed they share the same values. Then, after Todd shoots a child, Walt votes to keep him in the business. At this point Jesse realizes how far away Walter really is from him, and he wants out. The cash turns into an inescapable reminder of what he's done and the guilt he feels. Jesse is the best written character on the show in my opinion. --- https://imgur.com/gallery/dXDmJHw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=75GL-BYZFfY <cite>Doe posted [p:968309512] in Wtf was Je... [t:80178953]...</cite> <quote>For starters, Jesse was blackmailed initially. Walter said he'd turn Jesse in if he didn't help Walter conduct business.He liked the money and the independence he got from the money. Then he has to go enforce a bag stolen from Pete at which point he encounters the child in the horrible meth home. That episode frames how Jesse feels about children and is the start of him realizing his street persona does not match his inner values. We also get a bit of that from him protecting his little brother when he moved back in with his parents.He meets Jane, and it doesn't go well. He has horrible guilt about his involvement in her death. At rehab, his leader's advice is that Jesse needs to live with what he's done.Jesse tries this, he tells Walter "I'm the bad guy" and tries his hand remorselessly peddling meth. He goes to sell at the AA meeting and meets his girlfriend. When he learns she has a kid it totally recontextualizes the meth business for him as he sees now that the people he directly sold to are trying to take care of families. Around this time he also learns one of his street guys is shot by a child used by some dealers in the same business he operates in. The business harming kids is incompatible with who Jesse is. At first he tries to reconcile these issues several times such as by killing the dealers or placing the blame at Gus' feet. Getting Gus killed after what happened to Brock helps Jesse feel better for a while. He convinces himself things will be different with Mr. White completely in charge as Walter has manipulated him for a long time and affirmed they share the same values.Then, after Todd shoots a child, Walt votes to keep him in the business. At this point Jesse realizes how far away Walter really is from him, and he wants out. The cash turns into an inescapable reminder of what he's done and the guilt he feels.Jesse is the best written character on the show in my opinion.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lairen 09/26/22 4:51:18 PM #20:	Jesse: "I had no idea that a meth cook who blackmailed me into helping him thats literal final wish was to run a drug empire was using me or that he could be so evil" Jesses a great plot device. --- When it rains, it pours. <cite>Lairen posted [p:968310847] in Wtf was Je... [t:80178953]...</cite> <quote>Jesse: "I had no idea that a meth cook who blackmailed me into helping him thats literal final wish was to run a drug empire was using me or that he could be so evil"Jesses a great plot device.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Crimsoness 09/26/22 4:52:17 PM #21:	Do you like anything TC all I ever do is see you complain about stuff --- CrimsonAngel, she/her <cite>Crimsoness posted [p:968310867] in Wtf was Je... [t:80178953]...</cite> <quote>Do you like anything TC all I ever do is see you complain about stuff</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lairen 09/26/22 4:54:33 PM #22:	Crimsoness posted... Do you like anything TC all I ever do is see you complain about stuff I like complaining. --- When it rains, it pours. <cite>Lairen posted [p:968310915] in Wtf was Je... [t:80178953]...</cite> <quote>Crimsoness posted... </cite><quote>Do you like anything TC all I ever do is see you complain about stuff</quote>I like complaining.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Doe 09/26/22 4:59:29 PM #23:	Lairen posted... Jesse: "I had no idea that a meth cook who blackmailed me into helping him thats literal final wish was to run a drug empire was using me or that he could be so evil" Jesses a great plot device. This is a massive oversimplification of their long and complex relationship. Jesse rebeled against Walter multiple times and was even on the money that he poisoned Brock. Part of being a victim of manipulation is that you can't see the manipulator's actions in clear, unbiased context. Walt knew Jesse better than anyone and leveraged that. --- https://imgur.com/gallery/dXDmJHw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=75GL-BYZFfY <cite>Doe posted [p:968311040] in Wtf was Je... [t:80178953]...</cite> <quote>Lairen posted... </cite><quote>Jesse: "I had no idea that a meth cook who blackmailed me into helping him thats literal final wish was to run a drug empire was using me or that he could be so evil"Jesses a great plot device.</quote>This is a massive oversimplification of their long and complex relationship. Jesse rebeled against Walter multiple times and was even on the money that he poisoned Brock. Part of being a victim of manipulation is that you can't see the manipulator's actions in clear, unbiased context. Walt knew Jesse better than anyone and leveraged that.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lairen 09/26/22 5:01:37 PM #24:	Doe posted... This is a massive oversimplification of their long and complex relationship. Jesse rebeled against Walter multiple times and was even on the money that he poisoned Brock. Part of being a victim of manipulation is that you can't see the manipulator's actions in clear, unbiased context. Walt knew Jesse better than anyone and leveraged that. I knew he was a dying, murdering drug lord but *manipulator* caught me by surprise. --- When it rains, it pours. <cite>Lairen posted [p:968311089] in Wtf was Je... [t:80178953]...</cite> <quote>Doe posted... </cite><quote>This is a massive oversimplification of their long and complex relationship. Jesse rebeled against Walter multiple times and was even on the money that he poisoned Brock. Part of being a victim of manipulation is that you can't see the manipulator's actions in clear, unbiased context. Walt knew Jesse better than anyone and leveraged that.</quote>I knew he was a dying, murdering drug lord but manipulator caught me by surprise.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Doe 09/26/22 5:07:32 PM #25:	Lairen posted... I knew he was a dying, murdering drug lord but *manipulator* caught me by surprise. Do I really have to spell out why Jesse, an emotionally vulnerable guy, is uniquely vulnerable to his teacher and father figure Mr. White? The guy who got him through rehab and killed to save his life? --- https://imgur.com/gallery/dXDmJHw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=75GL-BYZFfY <cite>Doe posted [p:968311208] in Wtf was Je... [t:80178953]...</cite> <quote>Lairen posted... </cite><quote>I knew he was a dying, murdering drug lord but manipulator caught me by surprise.</quote>Do I really have to spell out why Jesse, an emotionally vulnerable guy, is uniquely vulnerable to his teacher and father figure Mr. White? The guy who got him through rehab and killed to save his life?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Xerun 09/26/22 5:17:51 PM #26:	Season 4 Jesse always pissed me off. He knows Gus doesnt care about the kids in season 3 and we watch Walt stick by Jesses side to the point where Walt kills the guys to save Jesse from Gus and then Jesse turns his back on Walt to go work with Gus. The guy who was perfectly fine with killing kids --- Currently Playing: Monster Hunter Rise: Sunbreak <cite>Xerun posted [p:968311447] in Wtf was Je... [t:80178953]...</cite> <quote>Season 4 Jesse always pissed me off. He knows Gus doesnt care about the kids in season 3 and we watch Walt stick by Jesses side to the point where Walt kills the guys to save Jesse from Gusand then Jesse turns his back on Walt to go work with Gus. The guy who was perfectly fine with killing kids</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Doe 09/26/22 5:20:33 PM #27:	Xerun posted... Walt kills the guys to save Jesse from Gus You mean Walt kills Gus to save himself from Jesse replacing him and to keep Jesse under his control... it was absolutely not about "helping" Jesse it was about Walt's selfishness. --- https://imgur.com/gallery/dXDmJHw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=75GL-BYZFfY <cite>Doe posted [p:968311507] in Wtf was Je... [t:80178953]...</cite> <quote>Xerun posted... </cite><quote>Walt kills the guys to save Jesse from Gus</quote>You mean Walt kills Gus to save himself from Jesse replacing him and to keep Jesse under his control... it was absolutely not about "helping" Jesse it was about Walt's selfishness.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Xerun 09/26/22 5:24:03 PM #28:	Doe posted... You mean Walt kills Gus to save himself from Jesse replacing him and to keep Jesse under his control... it was absolutely not about "helping" Jesse it was about Walt's selfishness. wrong season. End of Season 3. Jesse hunts the drug dealers who involved the kid in the drug game (Brock? I cant remember the kids name), Gus tells him to back off and says hell stop the guys. The kid dies after Gus does nothing. Jesse then goes to stop the dealers working for Gus and Walt begs him not to. Jesse goes anyway and Walt kills them to save Jesse Without Jesse doing that Gus would have no reason to want to kill Walt(or at least no reason yet. It could be inferred he wanted Gail to be his guy once he knew everything Walt knew) --- Currently Playing: Monster Hunter Rise: Sunbreak <cite>Xerun posted [p:968311582] in Wtf was Je... [t:80178953]...</cite> <quote>Doe posted... </cite><quote>You mean Walt kills Gus to save himself from Jesse replacing him and to keep Jesse under his control... it was absolutely not about "helping" Jesse it was about Walt's selfishness.</quote>wrong season. End of Season 3. Jesse hunts the drug dealers who involved the kid in the drug game (Brock? I cant remember the kids name), Gus tells him to back off and says hell stop the guys. The kid dies after Gus does nothing. Jesse then goes to stop the dealers working for Gus and Walt begs him not to. Jesse goes anyway and Walt kills them to save Jesse Without Jesse doing that Gus would have no reason to want to kill Walt(or at least no reason yet. It could be inferred he wanted Gail to be his guy once he knew everything Walt knew)</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MrDrMan 09/26/22 5:27:19 PM #29:	He didnt want to deal drugs. He wanted the money that came from dealing drugs. If you have Jesse all the drug money hed be fine without dealing. It was a means to an end. The girlfriend thing is actually pretty basic too. He wants love but maybe he doesnt want the trouble that comes with it or danger. I think Jesse was a pretty straightforward character throughout the show. --- Insert sig here <cite>MrDrMan posted [p:968311643] in Wtf was Je... [t:80178953]...</cite> <quote>He didnt want to deal drugs. He wanted the money that came from dealing drugs. If you have Jesse all the drug money hed be fine without dealing. It was a means to an end.The girlfriend thing is actually pretty basic too. He wants love but maybe he doesnt want the trouble that comes with it or danger.I think Jesse was a pretty straightforward character throughout the show.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Doe 09/26/22 5:29:42 PM #30:	Xerun posted... wrong season. oh i misread that. i see what you mean but jesse wasn't totally unloyal to Walt that season. He looked for opportunities to use the ricin multiple times. Their S4 falling out happens because Walt doesn't have faith in Jesse and accuses Jesse of abandoning him and stealing his recipe despite Jesse not wanting to go to Mexico and coming to Walt for advice. --- https://imgur.com/gallery/dXDmJHw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=75GL-BYZFfY <cite>Doe posted [p:968311695] in Wtf was Je... [t:80178953]...</cite> <quote>Xerun posted... </cite><quote>wrong season.</quote>oh i misread that. i see what you mean but jesse wasn't totally unloyal to Walt that season. He looked for opportunities to use the ricin multiple times. Their S4 falling out happens because Walt doesn't have faith in Jesse and accuses Jesse of abandoning him and stealing his recipe despite Jesse not wanting to go to Mexico and coming to Walt for advice.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheHoldSteady 09/26/22 5:35:06 PM #31:	Xerun posted... Jesse turns his back on Walt to go work with Gus. The guy who was perfectly fine with killing kids Gus needed Walt quality meth but also needed to kill Walt because Walt had grown too irrational. With Gale dead, Jesse was his only real option left. So Gus played the only real card he had. He kept Jesse close, pulling him away from Walt, hoping Jesse would switch loyalties to Gus and give the OK to kill Walt. It almost worked, but Jesse had too much of a connection to Walt already, and wouldn't give the OK. So Gus tries firing Walt and threatening his family to keep him at bay, but it has the opposite effect Gus is expecting. And Walt pulls the hail Mary to firmly get Jesse's loyalty back. I wouldn't say Jesse turned his back on Walt. He was just manipulated into doing work for Gus for a while until Walt out manipulated Jesse --- When it's hard to see the benefits, the tavern is a decent way to seal off all the stimulus, feel something close to death but just a little bit <cite>TheHoldSteady posted [p:968311795] in Wtf was Je... [t:80178953]...</cite> <quote>Xerun posted... </cite><quote>Jesse turns his back on Walt to go work with Gus. The guy who was perfectly fine with killing kids</quote>Gus needed Walt quality meth but also needed to kill Walt because Walt had grown too irrational. With Gale dead, Jesse was his only real option left.So Gus played the only real card he had. He kept Jesse close, pulling him away from Walt, hoping Jesse would switch loyalties to Gus and give the OK to kill Walt. It almost worked, but Jesse had too much of a connection to Walt already, and wouldn't give the OK. So Gus tries firing Walt and threatening his family to keep him at bay, but it has the opposite effect Gus is expecting. And Walt pulls the hail Mary to firmly get Jesse's loyalty back. I wouldn't say Jesse turned his back on Walt. He was just manipulated into doing work for Gus for a while until Walt out manipulated Jesse</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Xerun 09/26/22 5:41:18 PM #32:	Doe posted... oh i misread that. i see what you mean but jesse wasn't totally unloyal to Walt that season. He looked for opportunities to use the ricin multiple times. Their S4 falling out happens because Walt doesn't have faith in Jesse and accuses Jesse of abandoning him and stealing his recipe despite Jesse not wanting to go to Mexico and coming to Walt for advice. He switched over to Gus side pretty quickly IIRC. It wasnt until Walt poisoned the other kid that Jesse came around. Before that he was perfectly fine with Gus wanting to kill Walt, when the only reason Gus wanted to kill Walt was because Walt killed Gail, to protect Jesse. TheHoldSteady posted... Gus needed Walt quality meth but also needed to kill Walt because Walt had grown too irrational. With Gale dead, Jesse was his only real option left. So Gus played the only real card he had. He kept Jesse close, pulling him away from Walt, hoping Jesse would switch loyalties to Gus and give the OK to kill Walt. It almost worked, but Jesse had too much of a connection to Walt already, and wouldn't give the OK. So Gus tries firing Walt and threatening his family to keep him at bay, but it has the opposite effect Gus is expecting. And Walt pulls the hail Mary to firmly get Jesse's loyalty back. I wouldn't say Jesse turned his back on Walt. He was just manipulated into doing work for Gus for a while until Walt out manipulated Jesse Yeah sort of. But the only reason Gus wanted to kill Walt was because Walt killed Gail, which he did as a last resort to protect himself and Jesse. which he had to do because Gus was going to kill Jesse for what he did at the end of season 3. The fact that he turned on Walt at all is annoying. Walts only in that situation because of Jesses choices. And even more annoying because Jesse hated Gus in the previous season for his indifference to kids getting killed. --- Currently Playing: Monster Hunter Rise: Sunbreak <cite>Xerun posted [p:968311941] in Wtf was Je... [t:80178953]...</cite> <quote>Doe posted... </cite><quote>oh i misread that. i see what you mean but jesse wasn't totally unloyal to Walt that season. He looked for opportunities to use the ricin multiple times. Their S4 falling out happens because Walt doesn't have faith in Jesse and accuses Jesse of abandoning him and stealing his recipe despite Jesse not wanting to go to Mexico and coming to Walt for advice.</quote>He switched over to Gus side pretty quickly IIRC. It wasnt until Walt poisoned the other kid that Jesse came around. Before that he was perfectly fine with Gus wanting to kill Walt, when the only reason Gus wanted to kill Walt was because Walt killed Gail, to protect Jesse.TheHoldSteady posted... </cite><quote>Gus needed Walt quality meth but also needed to kill Walt because Walt had grown too irrational. With Gale dead, Jesse was his only real option left.So Gus played the only real card he had. He kept Jesse close, pulling him away from Walt, hoping Jesse would switch loyalties to Gus and give the OK to kill Walt. It almost worked, but Jesse had too much of a connection to Walt already, and wouldn't give the OK. So Gus tries firing Walt and threatening his family to keep him at bay, but it has the opposite effect Gus is expecting. And Walt pulls the hail Mary to firmly get Jesse's loyalty back. I wouldn't say Jesse turned his back on Walt. He was just manipulated into doing work for Gus for a while until Walt out manipulated Jesse</quote>Yeah sort of. But the only reason Gus wanted to kill Walt was because Walt killed Gail, which he did as a last resort to protect himself and Jesse. which he had to do because Gus was going to kill Jesse for what he did at the end of season 3. The fact that he turned on Walt at all is annoying. Walts only in that situation because of Jesses choices. And even more annoying because Jesse hated Gus in the previous season for his indifference to kids getting killed. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Doe 09/26/22 5:50:29 PM #33:	Xerun posted... . Before that he was perfectly fine with Gus wanting to kill Walt He recognized the bad blood between them and leveraged his irreplaceable-ness to save Walt's life. He never budged that the operation is over if Gus hurt Walt. Xerun posted... He switched over to Gus side pretty quickly IIRC. He looked for a way to safely use the ricin at Gus' house, and shortly after that Walt assaults him. This is ep 9 of 13 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AevjEC1a5Js --- https://imgur.com/gallery/dXDmJHw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=75GL-BYZFfY <cite>Doe posted [p:968312177] in Wtf was Je... [t:80178953]...</cite> <quote>Xerun posted... </cite><quote>. Before that he was perfectly fine with Gus wanting to kill Walt</quote>He recognized the bad blood between them and leveraged his irreplaceable-ness to save Walt's life. He never budged that the operation is over if Gus hurt Walt.Xerun posted... </cite><quote>He switched over to Gus side pretty quickly IIRC.</quote>He looked for a way to safely use the ricin at Gus' house, and shortly after that Walt assaults him. This is ep 9 of 13 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AevjEC1a5Js</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Xerun 09/26/22 6:00:44 PM #34:	Doe posted... He recognized the bad blood between them and leveraged his irreplaceable-ness to save Walt's life. He never budged that the operation is over if Gus hurt Walt. He looked for a way to safely use the ricin at Gus' house, and shortly after that Walt assaults him. This is ep 9 of 13 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AevjEC1a5Js Theres also a lot of scenes of Jesse happily working with Gus and Mike before that, and ignoring Walts suggestions to kill Gus. I believe he has multiple opportunities to use the ricin or shoot him but doesnt? at this point he still should hate Gus for what he did to the kids but its all forgotten. --- Currently Playing: Monster Hunter Rise: Sunbreak <cite>Xerun posted [p:968312375] in Wtf was Je... [t:80178953]...</cite> <quote>Doe posted... </cite><quote>He recognized the bad blood between them and leveraged his irreplaceable-ness to save Walt's life. He never budged that the operation is over if Gus hurt Walt.He looked for a way to safely use the ricin at Gus' house, and shortly after that Walt assaults him. This is ep 9 of 13 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AevjEC1a5Js</quote>Theres also a lot of scenes of Jesse happily working with Gus and Mike before that, and ignoring Walts suggestions to kill Gus. I believe he has multiple opportunities to use the ricin or shoot him but doesnt?at this point he still should hate Gus for what he did to the kids but its all forgotten. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lairen 09/26/22 6:04:51 PM #35:	Gus wants Walt dead over 2 drug dealers jesse was going kill. Jesse kills a Gale to save Walt although hes innocent aside from cooking. So Gus wants walt dead for killing 2 child killing drug dealers jesse was going to kill but he doesnt want Jesse dead for killing gale and also indirectly costing him Victor. Jesse seemed to be the worse of these 2 costing Gus more cause of his own moral reasons. Walt was indeed only killing them to save Jesse. Theres all these times where Jesse does plenty if not worse yet he pulls the moral card later. At least Walt understands the business hes in while Jesse went into business with a cartel and acts shocked at certain things hes done. --- When it rains, it pours. <cite>Lairen posted [p:968312472] in Wtf was Je... [t:80178953]...</cite> <quote>Gus wants Walt dead over 2 drug dealers jesse was going kill. Jesse kills a Gale to save Walt although hes innocent aside from cooking. So Gus wants walt dead for killing 2 child killing drug dealers jesse was going to kill but he doesnt want Jesse dead for killing gale and also indirectly costing him Victor.Jesse seemed to be the worse of these 2 costing Gus more cause of his own moral reasons. Walt was indeed only killing them to save Jesse.Theres all these times where Jesse does plenty if not worse yet he pulls the moral card later. At least Walt understands the business hes in while Jesse went into business with a cartel and acts shocked at certain things hes done.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Doe 09/26/22 6:15:40 PM #37:	Xerun posted... Theres also a lot of scenes of Jesse happily working with Gus and Mike before that, Mike =/= Gus though, and Mike's presence is part of what would make shooting at Gus suicide. Mike also prevents Jesse from having a chance of poisoning Gus' coffee. IIRC Jesse doesn't get that much close contact with Gus besides that cartel meeting, Gus and Mike talking at the diner, and the meeting at Gus' house. Jesse remains extremely skeptical of Gus up through this point, at dinner with him he blows up accusing Gus of everything he presumes he's plotting. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jM6pNUfT6fo The idea Jessse is in bed with Gus and skipping all chances to poison him is Walt's delusion. I also think it's unfair to act like Jesse is in a total life debt to Walt at that point, after all Jesse had last reciprocated by killing Gale to protect Walt, which was a huge step for Jesse especially after Walt promised he'd take care of Gale himself and just needed the address. --- https://imgur.com/gallery/dXDmJHw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=75GL-BYZFfY <cite>Doe posted [p:968312677] in Wtf was Je... [t:80178953]...</cite> <quote>Xerun posted... </cite><quote>Theres also a lot of scenes of Jesse happily working with Gus and Mike before that,</quote>Mike =/= Gus though, and Mike's presence is part of what would make shooting at Gus suicide. Mike also prevents Jesse from having a chance of poisoning Gus' coffee. IIRC Jesse doesn't get that much close contact with Gus besides that cartel meeting, Gus and Mike talking at the diner, and the meeting at Gus' house.Jesse remains extremely skeptical of Gus up through this point, at dinner with him he blows up accusing Gus of everything he presumes he's plotting. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jM6pNUfT6foThe idea Jessse is in bed with Gus and skipping all chances to poison him is Walt's delusion.I also think it's unfair to act like Jesse is in a total life debt to Walt at that point, after all Jesse had last reciprocated by killing Gale to protect Walt, which was a huge step for Jesse especially after Walt promised he'd take care of Gale himself and just needed the address.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Doe 09/26/22 6:22:12 PM #38:	Lairen posted... Gus wants Walt dead over 2 drug dealers jesse was going kill. Jesse kills a Gale to save Walt although hes innocent aside from cooking. So Gus wants walt dead for killing 2 child killing drug dealers jesse was going to kill but he doesnt want Jesse dead for killing gale and also indirectly costing him Victor. Walter ordered the hit on Gale. Gus recognizes Jesse only did it because he trusts Walter. Gus recognizes Jesse is a way more trustworthy, principled, stable, less ambitious cook than Walter. Easy calculation to groom Jesse to succeed Gale and replace Walter. --- https://imgur.com/gallery/dXDmJHw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=75GL-BYZFfY <cite>Doe posted [p:968312814] in Wtf was Je... [t:80178953]...</cite> <quote>Lairen posted... </cite><quote>Gus wants Walt dead over 2 drug dealers jesse was going kill. Jesse kills a Gale to save Walt although hes innocent aside from cooking. So Gus wants walt dead for killing 2 child killing drug dealers jesse was going to kill but he doesnt want Jesse dead for killing gale and also indirectly costing him Victor.</quote>Walter ordered the hit on Gale. Gus recognizes Jesse only did it because he trusts Walter. Gus recognizes Jesse is a way more trustworthy, principled, stable, less ambitious cook than Walter. Easy calculation to groom Jesse to succeed Gale and replace Walter.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lairen 09/26/22 7:46:26 PM #39:	Doe posted... Walter ordered the hit on Gale. Gus recognizes Jesse only did it because he trusts Walter. Gus recognizes Jesse is a way more trustworthy, principled, stable, less ambitious cook than Walter. Easy calculation to groom Jesse to succeed Gale and replace Walter. Walt was playing nice before jesse killed the drug dealers/walt killed. He only killed gale to save himself. Walt was behaving and even talking jesse down but they had to reverse this in a messy way. And why did jesse believe Gus poisoned Brock? I didnt understand what his motivation to do that was.... --- When it rains, it pours. <cite>Lairen posted [p:968314617] in Wtf was Je... [t:80178953]...</cite> <quote>Doe posted... </cite><quote>Walter ordered the hit on Gale. Gus recognizes Jesse only did it because he trusts Walter. Gus recognizes Jesse is a way more trustworthy, principled, stable, less ambitious cook than Walter. Easy calculation to groom Jesse to succeed Gale and replace Walter.</quote>Walt was playing nice before jesse killed the drug dealers/walt killed. He only killed gale to save himself.Walt was behaving and even talking jesse down but they had to reverse this in a messy way.And why did jesse believe Gus poisoned Brock? I didnt understand what his motivation to do that was.... </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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