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DD_Divine
09/08/22 10:28:02 PM
#51:


Questionmarktarius posted...
wait... who's wedding?

the wedding Doctor strange was at? Maybe


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Squall28
09/08/22 10:36:17 PM
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Wongers was the best part of the episode.

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CommonStar
09/08/22 10:38:23 PM
#53:


with two N's and one Y but it's not where you thiiiink
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Squall28
09/08/22 10:56:27 PM
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so fun fact I looked up. The writer of the show is Jessica Gao who wrote Pickle Rick from Rick and Morty.

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trappedunderice
09/08/22 10:59:13 PM
#55:


Critical Drinker was spot on about this show.
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Zikten
09/08/22 11:00:55 PM
#56:


Squall28 posted...
so fun fact I looked up. The writer of the show is Jessica Gao who wrote Pickle Rick from Rick and Morty.
Ironic. I bet many of the haters love Pickle Rick
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008Zulu
09/09/22 12:36:56 AM
#57:


CommonStar posted...
with two N's and one Y but it's not where you thiiiink
Maddy is awesome!

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TheSavageDragon
09/09/22 3:27:59 AM
#58:


trappedunderice posted...
Critical Drinker was spot on about this show.

Let me guess....he's bitching about it like he does about pretty much any female led project.
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RchHomieQuanChi
09/09/22 3:29:12 AM
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trappedunderice posted...
Critical Drinker was spot on about this show.

Yikes

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Zikten
09/09/22 3:41:43 AM
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I probably shouldn't have, but I found Critical Drinker's channel and skimmed though his "review" of the first episode. Apparently that is all he watched. He has no videos on later episodes

Its just him bitching and moaning about every single possible aspect of the first episode and his comment section is just an army of yes men agreeing with him that she hulk is a stupid show and character
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divot1338
09/09/22 3:44:35 AM
#61:


Hornswoggled posted...
I don't know about this "everybody loves Wong" thing.

I think he just shows up a lot cause he's cheaper than getting Cumberbatch or somebody.
Are you saying hes the Wong Benedict?

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TheSavageDragon
09/09/22 4:00:50 AM
#62:


Zikten posted...
I probably shouldn't have, but I found Critical Drinker's channel and skimmed though his "review" of the first episode. Apparently that is all he watched. He has no videos on later episodes

Glossing over his channel, his first She-Hulk vid is titled "She-Hulk: Attorney At Law LOL, Nope!" 2 months before the 1st episode even aired. His mind was made up long before he watched it.
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Jonny2284
09/09/22 4:06:39 AM
#63:


divot1338 posted...
What if we find out that Madisynn is actually the Leader?

Impossible, we all know she's Mephisto.
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RchHomieQuanChi
09/09/22 4:09:04 AM
#64:


TheSavageDragon posted...
Glossing over his channel, his first She-Hulk vid is titled "She-Hulk: Attorney At Law LOL, Nope!" 2 months before the 1st episode even aired. His mind was made up long before he watched it.

Anti-"wokeism" is such an easy and low-effort grift that it's amazing idiots still fall for it.

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spikethedevil
09/09/22 4:48:28 AM
#65:


trappedunderice posted...
Critical Drinker was spot on about this show.

Lol no he was not.

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SwayM
09/09/22 5:13:19 AM
#66:


Prestoff posted...
It's very possible to not like certain episodes about certain shows. Like for me, I thought this was the weakest episode because it felt like one giant filler. This episode would've been great if this was an episodic type of show, but clearly it's "building" up to something but I don't have a clear vision on what that is atm.

filler? I dont think you could have missed the point of this show more imho

This is literally trying to be a more slice of life style show and a comedy first and foremost.

Of course its building to something its also a superhero show and theyre setting up a few different threads. But theres so many shows that care more about the comedy and its characters than the plot or maybe some dramatic tension that continues over the season. This is one of those shows.

And while thats all true, and I wouldnt come to this show with this expectation like it needs to have such important stakes in the MCU, and its going to answer every question you have and set up the coming years. For a genuinely funny, slice of life style show they still have done a tremendous job of connecting a lot of different storylines together. For example I particularly like how it answers any question of the arena scene in Shang-Chi, reestablishes Emil Blonksy / Abomination, and possibly sets a path towards The Thunderbolts.

Like if thats the kind of details you come to this show for, I think your expectations and understanding of what the show is dont align. The fact that this show could still provide that in its style and format is the cherry on top for me.

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CyricZ
09/09/22 6:21:53 AM
#67:


Thanks for taking the hit Zikten.

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MabusIncarnate
09/09/22 6:29:03 AM
#68:


So i'm assuming Johnny Blaze is gonna be a cameo and not be in it for the rest of the way forward. Guy seemed kind of cheesy, like a filler role, I don't see him being the new MCU Ghost Rider.


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lolife67
09/09/22 6:29:31 AM
#69:


MabusIncarnate posted...
So i'm assuming Johnny Blaze is gonna be a cameo and not be in it for the rest of the way forward. Guy seemed kind of cheesy, like a filler role, I don't see him being the new MCU Ghost Rider.
That wasn't Johnny Blaze.
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Zikten
09/09/22 6:31:03 AM
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He is maybe a cousin or something of Ghost Rider. I think his name was Donny Blaze.
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MabusIncarnate
09/09/22 6:33:30 AM
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I didn't even catch that it was "Donny", well damn. He seemed enthralled with Wong ripping demons into that portal with his orange whip thing, they had a reaction scene from him, and I thought that was a nod to Ghost Rider's blazing chain whip.

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Ricemills
09/09/22 6:35:22 AM
#72:


Donny "Blaze" probably just a stage name, you guys are thinking too much about this.

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SwayM
09/09/22 6:46:37 AM
#73:


Ricemills posted...
Donny "Blaze" probably just a stage name, you guys are thinking too much about this.

The MCUs continuity has always been one of the best in that regard. Theres a long precedent of the devil being in details and fans are rewarded almost every time for picking up on most of them.

It does call into question why they would give this random character such a close name to one of Marvels most notable figures.

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pegusus123456
09/09/22 6:47:32 AM
#74:


SwayM posted...
The MCUs continuity has always been one of the best in that regard. Theres a long precedent of the devil being in details and fans are rewarded almost every time for picking up on most of them.

It does call into question why they would give this random character such a close name to one of Marvels most notable figures.
Ralph Boner.

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g0ldie
09/09/22 6:48:23 AM
#75:


^ I'm still angry about that

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SwayM
09/09/22 6:49:13 AM
#76:


pegusus123456 posted...
Ralph Boner.

A rare miss.

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cjsdowg
09/09/22 7:15:56 AM
#77:


Zikten posted...
I probably shouldn't have, but I found Critical Drinker's channel and skimmed though his "review" of the first episode. Apparently that is all he watched. He has no videos on later episodes

Okay this is far fetched but hear me out.

I think Drinker, Babyface, Maller (know that is not how he spells it), and others are paid to do what they do by Marvel. They views and BS are so sexist and racist, when people have real issues those issues fall to the wayside because of the troll army that these people have drummed up.

Take the Review bombing of a She-Hulk. If that didn't happen for better or worse people could see how many people liked to show. If it didn't work fine , if it didn't GREAT. But with all these fake reviews, then Marvel can say see everyone loved it but these troll assholes.

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cjsdowg
09/09/22 7:17:10 AM
#78:


SwayM posted...
A rare miss.

That wasn't a miss. That whole show was a fuck you to fans with an eye to detail. And at the same time it was built on finding the little details. I was all fucked up.

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rexcrk
09/09/22 7:20:55 AM
#79:


cjsdowg posted...
That wasn't a miss. That whole show was a fuck you to fans with an eye to detail. And at the same time it was built on finding the little details. I was all fucked up.


Wat


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Xethuminra
09/09/22 7:29:05 AM
#80:


cjsdowg posted...
That wasn't a miss. That whole show was a fuck you to fans with an eye to detail. And at the same time it was built on finding the little details. I was all fucked up.
Interesting
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cjsdowg
09/09/22 7:31:11 AM
#81:


rexcrk posted...
Wat

It was just like so many things that they did, that would seem to point to a bigger reveal just to be nothing. A few examples..

Like Monica talking that she had a friend that she could call. They way it was framed made it seem like it was be something big, and it turned out to be nothing.

Then calling her kids hell spawn. When in the comics that are, but here nope they are just her dream kids.

The actor who played Vision talked up his final fight . Talking about he was fighting this great actor this and that. When he was just fighting a white him.

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CyricZ
09/09/22 8:48:37 AM
#82:


cjsdowg posted...
Okay this is far fetched but hear me out.

Ricemills posted...
you guys are thinking too much about this.


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ZevLoveDOOM
09/09/22 8:50:09 AM
#83:


Critical Drinker? more like Critical Stinker...
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SwayM
09/09/22 8:59:02 AM
#84:


cjsdowg posted...
It was just like so many things that they did, that would seem to point to a bigger reveal just to be nothing. A few examples..

Like Monica talking that she had a friend that she could call. They way it was framed made it seem like it was be something big, and it turned out to be nothing.

Then calling her kids hell spawn. When in the comics that are, but here nope they are just her dream kids.

The actor who played Vision talked up his final fight . Talking about he was fighting this great actor this and that. When he was just fighting a white him.

1) I dont remember this. Is she alluding to Captain Marvel? You know Captain marvel doesnt actually have to show up for this reference to matter, right?

2) we call these nods. We acknowledge thats all they are and move on.

3) His name is Paul Bettany, put some respect on it. you think he might have beenjoking? I mean this is the worst example because youre taking what an actor said in an interview and taking it out of context to mean the show let down on expectations built within the show itself.

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MrToothHasYou
09/09/22 2:45:05 PM
#85:


I'm not really digging the show so far. It's not bad, per se, but it doesn't seem to have a solid grasp on what it wants to be, as a show. I like the silliness, I like the fourth wall breaks (if anything I think there should be more of those), there are lots of little things the show does great. I love that the bar they go to is called "Legal Ease," I think that's a great joke, I like Jen's snarkiness, I like her paralegal/assistant, I think they have great rapport and their banter with each other feels very natural, I think it's funny that occasionally there will just be a random man popping in to do annoying man things, I thought the Megan Thee Stallion cameo was very funny, I just... I don't think it has an identity. It's not really an episodic show, but it's also not really building toward anything? There isn't any central conflict. There isn't even really internal conflict. For a show called "She-Hulk: Attorney At Law" there hasn't been very much in the way of either She-Hulking or attorneying. For all the talking up Jen gets as being a great attorney, most of the cases she takes are relatively simple and barely require her to do anything to resolve them. In fact, the one single moment of what could be called "brilliant lawyering" we've seen on the show wasn't even done by her, it was done by her male co-worker who had to take the imposter fairy law-suit that she didn't want. Jen's brilliant legal maneuvering during that episode? Stalling for time until Wong showed up to testify, because she didn't take any sort of written (or recorded video) statement prior to the hearing.

The "slice of life" stuff is... alright? But I don't think, given the rest of what's going on in the background of the show, that it makes for a very compelling watch. There aren't really any stakes to anything that happens on the show, and anything that might represent any sort of wrinkle of conflict is quickly smoothed over (Blonsky is up for parole? It's fine, he's actually totally reformed and a cool guy. But would she be betraying Bruce by representing him? Nah, it's all good, Bruce is cool with it and they've totally resolved their problems. Oh shit Blonsky escaped prison? Nah, Wong forced him to leave because he wanted to fight him and he's actually more than happy to testify to that for the parole board).

Like I said, I don't think it's bad, and it certainly doesn't deserve any of the hate it's getting from the incel "anti-sjw" crowd, but I just feel like it could be so much better than it is.

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CyricZ
09/09/22 3:06:08 PM
#86:


MrToothHasYou posted...
there hasn't been very much in the way of either She-Hulking or attorneying
A good half of the show has been attorneying. Not on a Better Call Saul level, but it is case focused.

Even if part of Jen's involvement with a case requires her to port to a theater to fling demons through a hole.

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RchHomieQuanChi
09/09/22 3:09:03 PM
#87:


I actually feel like this show is striking a good balance between the superhero stuff and the courtroom/comedy antics.

One of my problems with many of the Disney+ shows is that they don't seem to fully commit to the interesting premise they present towards the end. But 4 episodes in I feel like they're doing a pretty good job of balancing things out. She-Hulk still feels like an attorney first and foremost

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SwayM
09/09/22 3:14:59 PM
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Ill agree the Lawyering so far hasnt been anywhere what Id hope for from a lawyer show. The writing in that regard seems really lacking and I think gives the impression that it thinks its audience is complete idiots.

And we are, but so is the audience to most shows. I mean just give me one Suits moment where the case seems unwinable, Jen digs in, finds some shit at the last minute, spouts off some Law babble, and wins the day. They did that 47 times an episode for 9 seasons. The formula is there.

But regardless its still a fun ass show with some hilarious moments and really good characters. We have such high expectations these days but when you think of lost shows you like, it always took a few seasons to really start cooking. I guess the limited nature of these Marvel shows might warrant higher expectations but idk, Im more patient than most.

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CommonStar
09/09/22 3:19:27 PM
#89:


SwayM posted...
I mean just give me one Suits moment where the case seems unwinable, Jen digs in, finds some shit at the last minute, spouts off some Law babble, and wins the day. They did that 47 times an episode for 9 seasons. The formula is there.
I want this too, but the episodes are way too short for that to happen.

Also I think the show needs more people for Jen/She-Hulk to play off of. It's why I felt the first episode was so good.
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RchHomieQuanChi
09/09/22 3:20:17 PM
#90:


CommonStar posted...
I want this too, but the episodes are way too short for that to happen.

Also I think the show needs more people for Jen/She-Hulk to play off of. It's why I felt the first episode was so good.

I'm excited for when she inevitably teams up with Jessica Jones at some point (probably not during this season/series). I feel like their chemistry is going to be unmatched in the MCU

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lolife67
09/09/22 3:26:36 PM
#91:


SwayM posted...
Ill agree the Lawyering so far hasnt been anywhere what Id hope for from a lawyer show.
Well it's a "lawyer show" in the same way Ally McBeal was. It's actually a sit-com based around an attorney/superhero.
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RchHomieQuanChi
09/09/22 3:28:21 PM
#92:


lolife67 posted...
Well it's a "lawyer show" in the same way Ally McBeal was. It's actually a sit-com based around an attorney/superhero.

Yeah this is the proper way to look at it.

Daredevil's Netflix show covers more of the actual legal/lawyer shit. I'd imagine Born Again will be the same.

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MrToothHasYou
09/09/22 3:36:03 PM
#93:


CyricZ posted...
A good half of the show has been attorneying. Not on a Better Call Saul level, but it is case focused.
Sort of, but like I said, she doesn't really do that much. I could have walked in off the street and made the exact same argument she prepared in defense of Blonsky. Every case she's been involved in so far could have been resolved without pretty much any input or involvement from her.

Even if part of Jen's involvement with a case requires her to port to a theater to fling demons through a hole.
You know, I was actually thinking about that. She completely screwed herself over in that caseany half-competent attorney could use the fact that she withheld removing the last demon until Donny Blaze (incredible name, btw, I do really enjoy a lot of the humor the show brings) agreed to abide by the cease and desist as evidence of coercion, and have the entire suit thrown out. She could probably even be disbarred for doing something like that. Saul Goodman would have had a field day.

I get that a lot of this is nitpicking but just like, would it be so hard for them to give their main character, who is supposed to be a good, competent lawyer, some moments of brilliance? Instead of giving them to some random guy she works with?

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RchHomieQuanChi
09/09/22 3:56:21 PM
#94:


MrToothHasYou posted...
You know, I was actually thinking about that. She completely screwed herself over in that caseany half-competent attorney could use the fact that she withheld removing the last demon until Donny Blaze (incredible name, btw, I do really enjoy a lot of the humor the show brings) agreed to abide by the cease and desist as evidence of coercion, and have the entire suit thrown out. She could probably even be disbarred for doing something like that. Saul Goodman would have had a field day.

She didn't withhold getting rid of the last demon though so I don't think that would count as coercion.

It's not like she forced an ultimatum on him. Moreso she was trying to get him to realize how badly he fucked up.

Regardless, even independent of She-Hulk's actions, he'd still technically be guilty of criminal negligence.

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TaylorHeinicke
09/09/22 5:28:55 PM
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RchHomieQuanChi posted...
She didn't withhold getting rid of the last demon though so I don't think that would count as coercion.

It's not like she forced an ultimatum on him. Moreso she was trying to get him to realize how badly he fucked up.

Regardless, even independent of She-Hulk's actions, he'd still technically be guilty of criminal negligence.
It was a verbal confirmation though, does that change things? I could see this being true if she had the demon in his face until he put pen to paper, but wouldn't he have to sign something to make it official?

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Questionmarktarius
09/09/22 5:32:03 PM
#96:


So... when are we getting a Wong show?
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Prestoff
09/09/22 5:32:45 PM
#97:


Questionmarktarius posted...
So... when are we getting a Wong show?

Honestly, this.

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Murphiroth
09/09/22 5:39:49 PM
#98:


Questionmarktarius posted...
So... when are we getting a Wong show?

Gotta wait until he dies in the next Avengers movie then is secretly resurrected for Agents of WONG.
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Holy_Cloud105
09/09/22 6:35:24 PM
#99:


CommonStar posted...
with two N's and one Y but it's not where you thiiiink
I didn't understand this line. The Y was exactly where I thought it was gonna be.

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Ricemills
09/09/22 6:36:56 PM
#100:


Holy_Cloud105 posted...
I didn't understand this line. The Y was exactly where I thought it was gonna be.

normally it's Madyson?

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