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I thought strongest is bleach

Whoever made that list is dumb

No one because Roger wasn't hanged

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Fodderized by top tier bleach characters

Also not in the big 3

god shonen character design is so bad

As a latecomer to this stuff it's weird to see Bleach called the big 3 when its cultural relevance seemed negligible compared to Naruto

the new big 3 in Anime is my Hero academia, death note, and kakegurui

Scintillant posted...

the new big 3 in Anime is my Hero academia, death note, and kakegurui

werid that you started with a true one

Doe posted...

werid that you started with a true one

fine, demon slayer and jjk

Where the fuck is Naruto

Zoro fans in shambles

Sanji on the list but not Zoro. I see whats going on

Only guys being listed is why shonen sucks

I havent watched One Piece but Im pretty sure Aizen can beat Ywach because he even put him under hypnosis in the manga apparently. Also, Ichigo is stronger that Madara. Flat out.

Smashingpmkns posted...

Where the fuck is Naruto

Great question

MarthGoomba posted...

Only guys being listed is why shonen sucks

Even Jolyne had the least powerful MC stand in Jojo (though she had the highest battle intelligence)

Scintillant posted...

the new big 3 in Anime is my Hero academia, death note, and kakegurui

Death Note ended literal 15 years ago.

MarthGoomba posted...

Only guys being listed is why shonen sucks

The list is wrong, if it was accurate a woman actually would be on it (Kaguya from Naruto).

I got what I expected. Mostly One Piece wank.

Isn't One Punch Man the strongest?

Isn't that the point of one Punch man?

there are people out there, literally right now, breathing the same air and drinking the same water as you and i that think gojo satoru can beat saitama

UnfairRepresent posted...

Isn't One Punch Man the strongest?

Isn't that the point of one Punch man?

No. In the manga, Saitama has shown his true powerful. He is very powerful but he actually has limits. He isn't some gag character that is infinitely powerful. He can't one punch everyone. That is how he is and has never been written like a gag character. People always took it that way which was always wrong.

I hate what Oda did to Roger. Oda looked at what Shitt- I mean Kishi did to Hashirama and thought "This is hilarious! Let me do that to Roger!"

Also, this list is garbage. Completely wrong.

I think it's about time we moved on from these series. Both Naruto and Bleach ended more than half a decade ago.

No. In the manga, Saitama has shown his true powerful. He is very powerful but he actually has limits

that's not really what happened in the manga:

saitama was holding back because tareo told him not to kill garou. there's nothing in the fight to suggest saitama has any kind of limit.

Doe posted...

Even Jolyne had the least powerful MC stand in Jojo (though she had the highest battle intelligence)

joseph may not have had a stand in part 2 where he was the main jojo
but he did get a stand and its the weakest stand any jojo has gotten
jolynes stand is stronger than purple hermit

and what stone free lacks in offensive power it makes up for in just how versatile it is
put her in almost any fight in the franchise and her stand is versatile enough for her to come out a winner

just not against dios time stop that is just to overpowered

also kaido is stronger than sanji
and zoro is stronger than sanji
sanji is the worst strawhat

is this topic's quality dead
or just its op

buns posted...

No. In the manga, Saitama has shown his true powerful. He is very powerful but he actually has limits

that's not really what happened in the manga:

saitama was holding back because tareo told him not to kill garou. there's nothing in the fight to suggest saitama has any kind of limit.

Yes it was. The ending narration outright said that "Saitama's power was BOOSTED by the fight on Io" and Garou said that the punch Saitama gave him after the time travel was even stronger than the initial punches. They're clearly trying to highlight that Saitama isn't all-powerful anymore, probably in order to set the stage for God to actually give him a hard time.

I know it's hard to take in for us Saitama fans but Murata (or a now apathetic ONE) really fucked up the fight by playing it as an unironic shonen battle where Saitama actually went serious out of rage and grief. There was absolutely no need for Saitama to fail to save Genos and go all "noo my nakama died, dozens of serious punches incoming"

the problem with this:

"Saitama's power was BOOSTED by the fight on Io" and Garou said that the punch Saitama gave him after the time travel was even stronger than the initial punches. They're clearly trying to highlight that Saitama isn't all-powerful anymore,

is that none of it implies he has a limit -- he may have regressed power-wise but there's nothing there saying he can't go back to that level if something challenges him. the mechanism in play is that he rises up and over whatever is in his way -- garou was what forced him highest, so far.

Saitama actually went serious out of rage and grief.

you're ignoring that tareo told him not to kill him and that he was fighting one-handed.

buns posted...

the problem with this:

"Saitama's power was BOOSTED by the fight on Io" and Garou said that the punch Saitama gave him after the time travel was even stronger than the initial punches. They're clearly trying to highlight that Saitama isn't all-powerful anymore,

is that none of it implies he has a limit -- he may have regressed power-wise but there's nothing there saying he can't go back to that level if something challenges him. the mechanism in play is that he rises up and over whatever is in his way -- garou was what forced him highest, so far.

Saitama actually went serious out of rage and grief.

you're ignoring that tareo told him not to kill him and that he was fighting one-handed.

Oh yeah, it's not that he has a limit. In fact, it does seem like he doesn't have a limit, he just constantly grows. But it does show that he isn't all-powerful and that he can feasibly be one-shotted if someone far beyond his level destroys him before he has the chance to grow to their level.
The mechanism in play isn't that he rises up and over whatever is in his way. That's fanboy headcanon wanking. The mechanism in play is that he gets exponentially stronger the more emotional he is and as time goes on-basically just Metal Bat's power on steroids.

Also that Tareo line just meant that Saitama doesn't finish Garou off at the end. Saitama clearly intended to kill him with that initial serious punch that was so strong it would've destroyed Earth if Blast didn't redirect it. Afterwards if Saitama actually had the power he should've been able to instantly knock Garou out or at least not give Garou the chance to consistently counter him. He was clearly genuinely angry and serious with his glowing eyes and clenched teeth. And then the graph outright shows that Saitama at the beginning was only slightly stronger than Garou. Not enough to be able to beat Garou instantly, but also enough that Garou can't beat him. Only after he grew exponentially did he stop taking Garou seriously as well.
Sorry, but Manga Saitama has lost the all-powerful strength the webcomic version implied he had.

The mechanism in play is that he gets exponentially stronger the more emotional he is

yeah there's nothing saying anything like that in the manga and he didn't seem particularly emotional during the fight itself.

Saitama clearly intended to kill him with that initial serious punch that was so strong it would've destroyed Earth if Blast didn't redirect it.

oh.

ohhhh.

because it never says anything like that either. i think i get it, now, you said i was doing headcanon wanking because you wanted to get away with it.

He was clearly genuinely angry and serious with his glowing eyes and clenched teeth

i mean, sure, but he literally goes into 'ok.'-style casual appearance at one point. i think you're missing the point that he's kinda emotionally blunted.

buns posted...

yeah there's nothing saying anything like that in the manga and he didn't seem particularly emotional during the fight itself.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/1/5/6/AAZl1UAADp7M.jpg

Are you trolling? Or do you legit not remember? Reread the chapters if you don't. He was clearly genuinely serious throughout the battle.

buns posted...

oh.

ohhhh.

because it never says anything like that either. i think i get it, now, you said i was doing headcanon wanking because you wanted to get away with it.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/1/5/7/AAZl1UAADp7N.jpg

buns posted...

i mean, sure, but he literally goes into 'ok.'-style casual appearance at one point. i think you're missing the point that he's kinda emotionally blunted.

Yeah, he does that at the end of the fight once he started growing faster than Garou can copy. That just further proves that at the beginning of the fight he was genuinely trying and unable to beat Garou.

You're using Saitama's previous characterization. Murata for better or for worse (for the worse) changed all the characters after Golden Sperm was created prematurely to become much different than how they normally are. Yes, Saitama is emotionally blunted. But he made him incredibly emotional for this fight.

He was clearly genuinely serious throughout the battle.

you said he was emotional. displaying an emotion is not being emotional.

Yeah, he does that at the end of the fight once he started growing faster than Garou can copy. That just further proves that at the beginning of the fight he was genuinely trying and unable to beat Garou.

so you're saying that when he gets his greatest power gains, he is effectively uncoupled from the emotional drive from the start.

that kinda undermines your headcanon fan wankery.

edit: you know, i did forget it outright said that in the panel. it still doesn't really add up to me because dude straight up says he's not excited before the fight starts -- i'm seeing him as just as blunted as usual. like in the next panel from that he literally says 'aw man, my outfit.' he ain't emotional.

buns posted...

He was clearly genuinely serious throughout the battle.

you said he was emotional. displaying an emotion is not being emotional.

Yeah, he does that at the end of the fight once he started growing faster than Garou can copy. That just further proves that at the beginning of the fight he was genuinely trying and unable to beat Garou.

so you're saying that when he gets his greatest power gains, he is effectively uncoupled from the emotional drive from the start.

that kinda undermines your headcanon fan wankery.

Dude, the narration itself said he was full of emotion like he never did before. Like his closest nakama getting killed. And that's the main fuel on how exponentially fast he grew. This is directly said by the manga itself. There's nothing about Saitama having some meta strength to always rise up against anything in his way. That's fan wanking headcanon. The fact that the manga portrayed Saitama as actually struggling to KO Garou for awhile says the opposite.

Dude, the narration itself said he was full of emotion like he never did before.

right, but narrations are translated, and this is him in the next panel:

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/2/9/5/AALcslAADp9X.png

clearly beset by emotion.

Isnt one piece dumb or something? Wow luffy winded up for a big punch and then he landed it and now the villain of the week has a lump on his head wow so hardcore and strong

buns posted...

Dude, the narration itself said he was full of emotion like he never did before.

right, but narrations are translated, and this is him in the next panel:

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/2/9/5/AALcslAADp9X.png

clearly beset by emotion.

Because his power completely surpassed Garou back to the point of him treating it casually, as explicitly showcased by the graph. Do you not know how sequence of events work? It means that prior to that he was genuinely struggling. And the both the official and reddit fan translation say the same thing. If you can read the raw it's not much different. Do you not realize how much you're grasping at straws if you're trying to resort to "it's got to be a translation error"? You need to just accept that Murata messed up Saitama's characterization in the manga. You should be blaming Murata for canonically making him weaker in an attempt to make it an unironic shonen.

I have no idea who any of those people are

"it's got to be a translation error"

hey, not what i said. take this gracefully, okay? don't get all upset over anime.

sorry, but i've got to go by what's actually on the pages. you have your explanation, and i respect your ability to create, but i'm not into it. 'upsurge of emotion like none he had ever experienced' could really just mean 'new', not 'incredible amount of.'

Kloe_Rinz posted...

Isnt one piece dumb or something? Wow luffy winded up for a big punch and then he landed it and now the villain of the week has a lump on his head wow so hardcore and strong

say what you will about One Piece, but it very much is not a villain-of-the-week story

what happens for over 1000 episodes and counting though?

buns posted...

"it's got to be a translation error"

hey, not what i said. take this gracefully, okay? don't get all upset over anime.

sorry, but i've got to go by what's actually on the pages. you have your explanation, and i respect your ability to create, but i'm not into it. 'upsurge of emotion like none he had ever experienced' could really just mean 'new', not 'incredible amount of.'

Either way, it's due to emotion.

Kloe_Rinz posted...

what happens for over 1000 episodes and counting though?

a long, continuing story

Either way, it's due to emotion.

just like he had limits :)

buns posted...

Either way, it's due to emotion.

just like he had limits :)

Well, I suppose technically as in his strength was limited at the time, but it looks like he can grow without limits, at least for now.

I suppose technically

yes, this is a thing you have to do often.

EndOfDiscOne posted...

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A real sausagefest here, but that's shonen for you.

buns posted...

I suppose technically

yes, this is a thing you have to do often.

I was using your logic.