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BlackOmnimon
09/04/22 7:14:10 PM
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The new Constitution would have enshrined rights for indigenous peoples, the state's obligation to provide basic services such as healthcare and education, and the nation's ownership over strategic resources such as water and lithium.

It appears the rightist campaign equating the new Constitution with communism was succesful, and for now Chile will remain with the 1980 Constitution, drafted and approved during the rule of USA-backed military dictator Augusto Pinochet.

Thoughts?

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gunplagirl
09/04/22 7:17:53 PM
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For whatever reason, progressivism is losing leg and right as fascism (usually serving corporate interests) flourishes.

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CommonStar
09/04/22 7:19:44 PM
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That fucking sucks.
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BlackOmnimon
09/04/22 9:09:19 PM
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burp

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Ving_Rhames
09/04/22 9:21:01 PM
#5:


Humanities self sabotage continues on

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Paragon21XX
09/04/22 10:04:39 PM
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@Tote_All_
Any thoughts on TC's speculation?

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Kimbos_Egg
09/04/22 10:08:33 PM
#7:


gunplagirl posted...
For whatever reason, progressivism is losing leg and right as fascism (usually serving corporate interests) flourishes.

because most people seem to think theres only "one correct way" society should go, and all others are wrong, yet act surprised when someone else on the opposite side of the political spectrum does the same.

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Solar_Crimson
09/04/22 10:23:08 PM
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gunplagirl posted...
For whatever reason, progressivism is losing leg and right as fascism (usually serving corporate interests) flourishes.
Yeah, it's both sad and scary.

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CARRRNE_ASADA
09/04/22 10:27:46 PM
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Who rejected it?

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Kimbos_Egg
09/04/22 10:30:42 PM
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CARRRNE_ASADA posted...
Who rejected it?

62% of the population.

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Tote_All_
09/05/22 8:02:21 AM
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Paragon21XX posted...
@Tote_All_
Any thoughts on TC's speculation?

What speculation?
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UnfairRepresent
09/05/22 8:05:29 AM
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Solar_Crimson posted...
Yeah, it's both sad and scary.


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xXfireglzXx
09/05/22 8:07:06 AM
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Can you post the new proposed constitution? I want to read through it and can't find it except in PDF's.

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Zeph
09/05/22 8:16:53 AM
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xXfireglzXx posted...
Can you post the new proposed constitution? I want to read through it and can't find it except in PDF's.
here's a link to the proposal

https://www.chileconvencion.cl/wp-content/uploads/2022/07/Texto-Definitivo-CPR-2022-Tapas.pdf

Seems like it was expected since the general mood was that people weren't happy with what was being proposed

when the first vote was done to see if it we change the constitution or not it had 7.573.914 votes, now this time there were 12.743.051 total votes

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VitoSpatafore
09/05/22 9:30:20 PM
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Chile just joined my list of places I'd like to visit.
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Solar_Crimson
09/06/22 10:19:26 AM
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VitoSpatafore posted...
Chile just joined my list of places I'd like to visit.
>Country denies basic rights to indigenous people

Some chud on GameFAQs: "That sounds like a great place to visit!"

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IMNOTRAGED
09/06/22 10:48:29 AM
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That's too bad

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Cheater87
09/06/22 11:22:14 AM
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Super lame.

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YoungMutual
09/06/22 11:28:50 AM
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I haven't read the chilean constitution, new or old, but indigenous peoples rights and access to water and litium as a constitutional right can still be added via an amendment to the current text.

Some people were more worried about the lack of proper checks and balances to the different branches of the government, and those are what truly makes or break a democracy, and prevents it from becoming a dictatorship.

So, if checks and balances are stronger in the current constitution, then that one is the superior one and the one that should remain.

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TotACon
09/06/22 11:29:04 AM
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Solar_Crimson posted...
>Country denies basic rights to indigenous people

Some chud on GameFAQs: "That sounds like a great place to visit!"

Which basic right was denied?

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I made a topic a week or two ago, not sure what you mean by "stupid reason". I ended up voting yes, but the reaction far leftists have had thus far have really been "mask off". Very disappointing, hopefully the next proposal is more centered and is less polarizing.
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TotACon
09/06/22 11:51:36 AM
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No tengo que postearte ninguna prueba asopao. Por lo dems es lgico que si veo "Chile" en CE voy a postear, dado que es un tema que yo mismo traigo a colacin. Payaso.
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BlackOmnimon
09/06/22 12:38:26 PM
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TotACon posted...
Which basic right was denied?

I made a topic a week or two ago, not sure what you mean by "stupid reason". I ended up voting yes, but the reaction far leftists have had thus far have really been "mask off". Very disappointing, hopefully the next proposal is more centered and is less polarizing.


There won't be a next proposal, "rechazo para reformar" was a rightist lie.

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Questionmarktarius
09/06/22 12:39:54 PM
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Maybe if Venezuela wasn't a mess, this would have had a chance.
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miki_sauvester
09/06/22 12:40:05 PM
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I mean, it was a borderline communist constitution, it never had a chance to begin with. The people who wrote it (mostly student activists) shot themselves in the foot by going too far, now they're likely going to be stuck with the old constitution indefinitely.

Here's a good article about how bad the constitution was: https://www.economist.com/the-americas/2022/09/05/common-sense-triumphs-as-chileans-reject-a-new-constitution

The convention was also beset by scandal. On the day it convened, members of the hard left shouted over an orchestra performing the national anthem. A few months later, another far-left member dropped out after it emerged he had lied about having cancer, which he had played on during his election campaign. Some members showed up in fancy dress; one voted from the shower and had to be asked to turn his camera off. People thought: if the artists are like this, the work will probably also have major flaws, says Cristin Valdivieso, the head of Criteria, a polling firm. That view was reinforced when the week before the plebiscite, at an event in favour of the new constitution in Valparaiso, Chiles second largest city, a drag queen had the national flag pulled out of his rectum while his bandmates encouraged the audience to abort Chile. The video appalled many Chileans.
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Damn_Underscore
09/06/22 12:42:34 PM
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Is this serious? He doesnt agree with you so he must be lying about everything. Youre proving his point about extremists.

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puppy
09/06/22 12:44:02 PM
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Questionmarktarius posted...
Maybe if Venezuela wasn't a mess, this would have had a chance.

Truth.

You have to find a balance. You can't just expect a population to just give in to relinquishing all important aspects of a society to the government. Yes, people deserve housing, free schools, water, food, clothing, etc, but corruption still exists, and putting that all in the hand of the government can backfire. With the free market, people can at least say "Nah, I don't like that company" and look elsewhere. When its the government, you take it or leave it.

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Questionmarktarius
09/06/22 12:54:31 PM
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puppy posted...
When its the government, you take it or leave it.
Or, what usually happens, you take it or you get shot.
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Ving_Rhames
09/06/22 1:19:45 PM
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Damn_Underscore posted...
Is this serious? He doesnt agree with you so he must be lying about everything. Youre proving his point about extremists.

Not believing someone on the internet is so extreme.

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TotACon
09/06/22 6:04:18 PM
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Damn_Underscore posted...
Is this serious? He doesnt agree with you so he must be lying about everything. Youre proving his point about extremists.

I just think it's insane to demand proof of something like he did.

@ImAMarvel

BlackOmnimon posted...
There won't be a next proposal, "rechazo para reformar" was a rightist lie.


This is why I voted to approve this one, I just hope we're wrong.
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TotACon
09/06/22 6:06:50 PM
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Also, today's performance on the government's side has been abysmal, as usual.
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DrizztLink
09/06/22 8:02:46 PM
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BlackOmnimon posted...
It appears the rightist campaign equating the new Constitution with communism was succesful,
Are there countries where the right wing isn't a collective pile of worthless regressive garbage?

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TotACon
09/06/22 9:44:34 PM
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What would you do if I posted proof and made you look like a clown not only for being overly aggressive and demanding, but also wrong?

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Not really, why would you react so aggressively over nothing? I mean other people are calling you out on it. What reason would I have to lie?

What a strange person.

DrizztLink posted...
Are there countries where the right wing isn't a collective pile of worthless regressive garbage?

We have our own Republican party now! It's made of people who left the most regressive, conservative party (UDI) to straight up be US republicans! They got the first majority on the first round of presidential election too!
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Tote_All_
09/06/22 9:51:40 PM
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TotACon posted...
We have our own Republican party now! It's made of people who left the most regressive, conservative party (UDI) to straight up be US republicans! They got the first majority on the first round of presidential election too!

Just to expand on that, here's some highligts.

  • Kast was the presidential candidate. Among his government plan he included "animals and nature should pay for their right to live under their masters (humans)" and "people can be detained in places other than jails", straight out of Pinochet's book (literally).
  • De La Carrera (congressman) is just downright insane, was actually "kicked" from the Republican party (but was still basically with them all the time) for spreading fake news and claiming(revealing) they were sent by Kast's campaign management, and recently punched the vicepresident of the chamber.
  • Johannes Kaiser is allegedly the first incel congressman. He had a podcast or webshow or whatever where he made claims like "guys who rape ugly women should be given medals" and "I can't understand women voting for the left who ends up hurting them, it almost makes you question women sufferage". These are literal quotes, just translated.
  • And let's not forget that recently a bill was being passed that forbids underage marriage. Republicans voted against it, because, and I quote, "if the girl is pregnant it denies the unborn baby the right to be born into a family". They literally voted in favor of forcefully marrying a pregnant 14 year old to her rapist, and defended that stance.


@DrizztLink I really want you to read this.
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DrizztLink
09/06/22 9:55:47 PM
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You may have wanted me to but I very much regret doing it.

Fucking hell.

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Kimbos_Egg
09/06/22 11:37:55 PM
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miki_sauvester posted...
Chiles second largest city, a drag queen had the national flag pulled out of his rectum while his bandmates encouraged the audience to abort Chile. The video appalled many Chileans.


..

People are so fucking stupid some times.

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Kimbos_Egg
09/06/22 11:39:32 PM
#39:


What began as a laudable cry for change ended up a hope chest. Chile would not only become an officially plurinational state but also would maintain a separate indigenous justice system, the rules for which were left undefined. Chileans would have the right to wholesome and culturally relevant food, whatever that meant.

wow its even dumber.

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Tote_All_
09/07/22 12:13:53 AM
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Kimbos_Egg posted...
wow its even dumber.

It was very dumb on some aspects, downright dangerous in others, but it was also groundbreaking.
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Ubergeneral3
09/07/22 1:23:42 AM
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chile was where the protests begin in 2019. It seemed like that was the year of change perhaps ever communist revolution.

then covid hit.

I guess nothing changes in the end. More protests?

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TotACon
09/07/22 2:28:30 PM
#42:


Ubergeneral3 posted...
chile was where the protests begin in 2019. It seemed like that was the year of change perhaps ever communist revolution.

then covid hit.

I guess nothing changes in the end. More protests?

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TotACon
09/07/22 8:08:05 PM
#43:


TotACon posted...
What would you do if I posted proof and made you look like a clown not only for being overly aggressive and demanding, but also wrong?

@imamarvel

Pls respond
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Tote_All_
09/07/22 11:25:39 PM
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You need to answer my question first pal.

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TotACon
09/08/22 1:10:41 AM
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But why would I?
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Tote_All_
09/08/22 8:22:52 AM
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But this is a doubt only you have thus far.

So, I ask again,

TotACon posted...
What would you do if I posted proof and made you look like a clown not only for being overly aggressive and demanding, but also wrong?

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BlackOmnimon
09/08/22 11:48:56 AM
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They released some studies and found out people rejected out of fear. The right literally made people believe the new constitution would:
  • Eliminate house property. Your house would not be inheritable, it would pass to the state after you died.
  • Make it so mothers could abort up until one year AFTER the baby is born. Really.
This just shows how dangerous fake news and free speech absolutism really is.

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