Current Events > Previously sealed documents seem to imply that Depp might be bad

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Doom_Art, this is honestly pathetic. You usually make good posts.

Doom_Art posted...

And yeah, you're obviously waaaaaaay more invested in this than anyone else, so there's nothing to be gained in going back and forth with you on this. Not worth my time or effort lo

You've spent more time and effort typing up these non responses than you would actually replying. You just know your stance is indefensible.

Doom_Art posted...

"people"

you do lol

Doom_Art posted...

"Heard is awful but the degree to which people are lionizing Depp despite his own checkered history and questionable behavior makes me uncomfortable."

"Shut the fuck up Doom_Art you're awful and you smell bad."

Your opening post in the topic was saying that people think you're awful and implying that you don't understand why they think that.

But sure, it's now just me.

How would you feel about someone whose reaction to Chris Brown beating Rihanna was: "I'm not saying Brown is innocent but Rihanna might be bad too. They're both toxic s***ty people, you're just pretending she's not because you like her music. I'm going to research her life and find things I don't like. Also stop talking about her now."

You really need to answer that question or simply admit you realize how grotesque your logic is.

The fact you can't is why people think you're awful Doom. Your words, not mine.

Doom_Art posted...

And yeah, the way in which Depp stans get overly defensive is fucking weird as hell and it has been through the entire trial and aftermath.

All anyone has said ITT, including the OP is "Depp might be bad too"

No one has said anything like "Depp deserves it", "Heard was innocent" or anything like that and yet you'll have Guns_of_Verdun up there typing up paragraphs admonishing everyone for attacking his boy

the way that trial was treated by the media was super fucked up. call me crazy, but I don't think a domestic violence trial should be given that much media attention and treated like a spectator sport!

averagejoel posted...

the way that trial was treated by the media was super fucked up. call me crazy, but I don't think a domestic violence trial should be given that much media attention and treated like a spectator sport!

I agree although it's worth stating both Depp and Heard wanted it that way and consented to it.

Heard assumed public attention would give her support via people like Doom_Art
And Depp assumed being out in the open would clear his name in the court of public opinion after the UK trial

They were both right.

I'd argue the OJ Simpson trial was more egregious .

But yeah, people going "Depp might be bad too" and researching his life for "points" like it was a sporting event is super duper fucked up

31Veteran posted...

Ok stupid question here but random people can just give courts money to get private documents?

Exactly my question. You can just pay to unseal documents like that?

ChaoticKnuckles posted...

Exactly my question. You can just pay to unseal documents like that?

Yes and no

You don't pay to unseal the documents

The judge unseals the documents months after the case when there is no longer any procedures or conflicts of interest

Then once unsealed you can pay for copies

This is common practice it's just nobody usually cares about court documents except relevant parties or people involved in law

I hope this is the last bit of gossip that comes out of this. This has basically been reality TV I can't seem to escape.

Guns_of_Verdun posted...

I agree although it's worth stating both Depp and Heard wanted it that way and consented to it.

Heard assumed public attention would give her support via people like Doom_Art
And Depp assumed being out in the open would clear his name in the court of public opinion after the UK trial

They were both right.

I'd argue the OJ Simpson trial was more egregious .

But yeah, people going "Depp might be bad too" and researching his life for "points" like it was a sporting event is super duper fucked up

As I remember it Amber Heard did not consent to the trial being televised, but rules stated only one party had to agree for cameras to enter the courtroom.

I very much doubt that since its up to the judge.

And the media was 97% on Amber's side until 60% of the way into the trial

So he does in fact behave like the crusty middle aged alcoholic that he appears to be? Weird.

FYI CE is one of the only places on the internet that sided with Amber Heard so take any of this with a grain of salt

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he's trash

COVxy posted...

Welp, this seems like it should probably call for harsh moderation. Wonder what will happen.

Damn, missed it...

Can anyone tell me what he said without breaking the TOS?

GeraldDarko posted...

Damn, missed it...

Can anyone tell me what he said without breaking the TOS?

He wanted Heard nudes

Apparently cheering on revenge porn aint so bad lol

Chet_Hanks posted...

FYI CE is one of the only places on the internet that sided with Amber Heard so take any of this with a grain of salt

What do you mean? These trial topics were 90% people dunking on Heard.

Jabodie posted...

What do you mean? These trial topics were 90% people dunking on Heard.

I think you're both right.

Before the trial and at first, the media/public was near entirely on Heard's side. Including on this site.

Once the evidence came out and it became clear Heard was an abuser/pathological liar and Depp was a victim, things shifted.

I'd say it wasn't until several weeks into the trial that social media and message boards flipped to being pro-Depp

And it wasn't until near the end of the trial that most media outlets either flipped or pulled a Doom_Art "I'm not talking about this anymore." when presented with overwhelming evidence.

It really depends on what point in the trial you're talking about. On the outset it absolutely was not pro-Depp.

Wasn't there some evidence that Depp abused Heard as well and that they were in a mutually abusive relationship? It's possible for both to be victims, but not on the same level, for Heard to have been lying about the specific allegations that were the subject of the trial, but not about others. There doesn't have to be one victim or "the victim." Toxic relationships are often mutually abusive.

This is not to defend Heard, she was clearly abusive. But I think there was evidence that he did bad things to her. Correct me if I'm wrong.

legendary_zell posted...

Wasn't there some evidence that Depp abused Heard as well and that they were in a mutually abusive relationship?

yes. the media circus conveniently ignored it though

Depp's friendship with Marilyn Manson pretty much tells me everything I need to know about Johnny Depp tbh

legendary_zell posted...

Wasn't there some evidence that Depp abused Heard as well

Not really.

and that they were in a mutually abusive relationship? It's possible for both to be victims, but not on the same level, for Heard to have been lying about the specific allegations that were the subject of the trial, but not about others. There doesn't have to be one victim or "the victim." Toxic relationships are often mutually abusive.

In abstract you're right. But in this case there really isn't a "both sides" defense. Heard beat Depp, yelled at him, chased him around the house, cheated on him, cut his finger off and falsely accused him of raping and beating her. She lied under oath repeatedly, including about donating his money to charity and made maliciously made an article with the attempt to ruin his life and career.

There's pretty much 0 evidence that Depp did anything to Heard and what records we do have show Depp repeatedly trying to get away from Heard while she followed him, screaming insults at him and hitting him.

Depp's "abuse" is that he was drunk and high a lot and passed out sometimes.

Even as we speak now months after the trial, Depp is just doing music and shit, while Heard is still slinging mud at him at every oppotunity.

Trying to both sides this is like I said earlier trying to both sides Chris Brown beating up Rihanna and claiming it's mutal and she's abusive too. Then looking into her past aggressively to find faults to bring up. It's kind of fucked up.

This is not to defend Heard, she was clearly abusive. But I think there was evidence that he did bad things to her. Correct me if I'm wrong.

You're wrong.

There's a solid reason why the both siders who are trying to demonize Depp can't actually respond to any basic questions and can't refer to Depp as a victim or Heard as an abuser.

averagejoel posted...

yes. the media circus conveniently ignored it though

Like what?

And the media was pretty much entirely pro Amber until about 60% into the trial when the evidence was overwhelming.

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I'd argue it's even worse. At least Trumpers are attacking vague establishments like Democrats and political systems.

The Heard supporters are attacking individual domesitic abuse survivors and trying to "Both sides" their abuse. It's super fucked up. And they know full well they're doing it too. QAnon Trumpers at least tend to be too stupid to realize how stupid they sound.

I never want to hear either of their names again. I'm so tired of it.

https://www.geo.tv/latest/430914-amber-heard-lying-her-whole-life-therapist-comes-out

A Professional psychotherapist has just weighed in on Amber Heards alleged narcissism and accused her of having lied her entire life, up to this point.

Psychotherapist Angelica, from the YouTube channel Rise Beyond Abuse issued this claim.

She addressed Amber Heards public behavior and claimed, "What I have seen throughout this trial are the symptoms of narcissistic personality disorder. I agree with the diagnosis of borderline personality disorder.

"Right here, she says she will stand by her testimony until she dies. Of course, the thing with the narcissist is that they lie. What is the motto of the narcissist? Lie till you die.

It has been her way of life since a very early age. One of her defence mechanisms is to lie. She became what she has become because of emotional and physical abuse.

Before concluding also alleged, Lying is second nature for her, it is a way of life. This whole trial has been one big lie on her part. Many of us, real survivors of domestic violence agree to that.

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Doom_Art posted...

"people"

you do lol

And yeah, you're obviously waaaaaaay more invested in this than anyone else, so there's nothing to be gained in going back and forth with you on this. Not worth my time or effort lol

Yeah, fall back on the "I don't care" argument because you have no rebuttal, or at least not one that doesn't continue to make you look like a terrible human being.

averagejoel posted...

yes. the media circus conveniently ignored it though

I'm betting he was verbally abusive and she was both.

During his benders I can imagine he said some truly disgusting things to her, but I don't believe he ever physically assaulted her in anyway that wasn't self-defence.

Chick is trash

I like that averagejoel complained the media ignored evidence that Depp was actually abusive but then he ignores the people who ask him what that evidence was that was ignored.

It curious that the people low key defending Heard tend to be as of big of a hypocrite as she is.

ZannoL posted...

https://www.geo.tv/latest/430914-amber-heard-lying-her-whole-life-therapist-comes-out

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/4/1/3/AAaB-xAADWNl.jpg

I'm not disagreeing, but it's a massive no-no to diagnose someone over media like this.

Like, specifically pointed out during education and training as a stupid move and borderline unethical.

DrizztLink posted...

I'm not disagreeing, but it's a massive no-no to diagnose someone over media like this.

Like, specifically pointed out during education and training as a stupid move and borderline unethical.

I 100% agree. This crap and the "body language professionals" are trash. They're just trying to cash in. You can't diagnose someone just by watching videos of them and focusing on every little detail of things they do. That's crazy and there's always a grift involved.

Worth noting at this point that the psychotherapist Heard hired to shit talk Johnny's mental health and diagnose him under oath in court, never met him or spoke to him ever and diagnosed him solely by analyzing him over media and talking to Heard.

She also denied that women can abuse men in a relationship.

Meanwhile the psychotherapist who actually spent extensive amount of time with both Heard and Depp, had medical records and therapy records for both, went into extensive detail with receipts of various tests, methods and discussions about how she reached her conclusions, found that Heard was a lying narcissist then proceeded to correctly 100% predict how Heard was going to act during the trial.

Heard's lawyers rebuttal to this? 20 minutes ranting about Muffins as everyone including the judge was completely baffled. No I am not joking. That actually happened.

Let that sink in.

Guns_of_Verdun posted...

I like that averagejoel complained the media ignored evidence that Depp was actually abusive but then he ignores the people who ask him what that evidence was that was ignored.

It curious that the people low key defending Heard tend to be as of big of a hypocrite as she is.

point out where I defended Amber Heard at all

Respond to the guy defending Heard by implying he is right and complaining that the case got too much media attention.

Then claim there wasn't enough pro-Heard media attention because the media ignored the evidence that Depp was the abuser too but then refuse to explain what that evidence was

Also show that you're actively reading the topic and what everyone says but your only engagement on any level is to ignore what people are actually saying at any given time and just posts that it was a "both sides" issue at the sympathetic Heard posts.

If that's not low-defending Heard then I don't know what is.

but go ahead, prove me wrong.

Post that Heard abused Johnny. She beat him, yelled at him, chased him around the house, cheated on him, cut his finger off and falsely accused him of raping and beating her. She lied under oath repeatedly, including about donating his money to charity and maliciously made an article with the attempt to ruin his life and career.

Meanwhile what records we do have show Depp repeatedly trying to get away from Heard while she follows him, screaming insults at him and hitting him. And the only pychotherapist who spent time with both extensively says Heard was the abuser and a narcasstic liar.

After you've posted that. Then either present what this mystery evidence is that Depp was abusive that apparently everyone is ignoring (including you) or admit you made it up.

Can you answer the question Doom Art wouldn't? How would you react if someone responded to Chis Brown beating Rihanna by saying "Actually it was mutal abuse, the media just ignored the evidence that Rihanna abused Brown. But no I won't say what that evidence was. Hey when did I ever low-key defend Brown?"

I somehow get the impression you'd suddenly stop pretending that wasn't a quite grotesque defense once you swap the genders of the abuser and the victim.

Guns_of_Verdun posted...

but go ahead, prove me wrong.

that's not how it works. you alleged that I defended Amber Heard. you need to provide the evidence for that. you have not done so.

also:

Then claim there wasn't enough pro-Heard media attention

I did not do this

Hey guys, this just in, and you have to trust me unconditionally because I have no source, but trust me when I say this, but my sources say that the sky is purple. This proves that Trump is the best president of all time and did nothing wrong

Jabodie posted...

What do you mean? These trial topics were 90% people dunking on Heard.

Thats a higher percentage than most other places except the fringes of twitter

Kloe_Rinz posted...

Hey guys, this just in, and you have to trust me unconditionally because I have no source, but trust me when I say this, but my sources say that the sky is purple. This proves that Trump is the best president of all time and did nothing wrong

But point out when I ever defended Trump XD

averagejoel posted...

did not do this

averagejoel posted...

Wasn't there some evidence that Depp abused Heard as well and that they were in a mutually abusive relationship?
yes. the media circus conveniently ignored it though

Hmmm

Hypocrisy, lying, ignoring the evidence and points people are saying

Still refusing to call Depp a victim or Heard an abuser. Refusing to acknowledge what Heard did while making shit up about Depp.

Not like Heard at all

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I think a huge part of it is toxic masculinity.

Some people refuse to believe or acknowledge that a man can be a DV victim of a woman

There's a reason why these people suddenly piss themselves and run off If you use their same logic word for word at a female victim

Guns_of_Verdun posted...

Hmmm

Hypocrisy, lying, ignoring the evidence and points people are saying

Still refusing to call Depp a victim or Heard an abuser. Refusing to acknowledge what Heard did while making shit up about Depp.

Not like Heard at all

generally, if you can't find evidence to support your point (in this case, that I supported Amber Heard), the polite thing to do would be admitting that you were wrong rather than continuing to make stuff up.

averagejoel posted...

generally, if you can't find evidence to support your point (in this case, that I supported Amber Heard), the polite thing to do would be admitting that you were wrong rather than continuing to make stuff up.

lol

1. You can't find evidence to support your point that Depp was abusive and the media ignored it , nor did you admit you were wrong. you giant hypocrite

If you can't find evidence to support your point (in this case, that It was mutually abusive and the media ignored Depp's abuse), the polite thing to do would be admitting that you were wrong rather than continuing to make stuff up.

2. That post you just made is evidence.

3. I presented plenty of evidence:

Guns_of_Verdun posted...

Respond to the guy defending Heard by implying he is right and complaining that the case got too much media attention.

Then claim there wasn't enough pro-Heard media attention because the media ignored the evidence that Depp was the abuser too but then refuse to explain what that evidence was

Also show that you're actively reading the topic and what everyone says but your only engagement on any level is to ignore what people are actually saying at any given time and just posts that it was a "both sides" issue at the sympathetic Heard posts.

If that's not low-defending Heard then I don't know what is.

but go ahead, prove me wrong.

Post that Heard abused Johnny. She beat him, yelled at him, chased him around the house, cheated on him, cut his finger off and falsely accused him of raping and beating her. She lied under oath repeatedly, including about donating his money to charity and maliciously made an article with the attempt to ruin his life and career.

Meanwhile what records we do have show Depp repeatedly trying to get away from Heard while she follows him, screaming insults at him and hitting him. And the only pychotherapist who spent time with both extensively says Heard was the abuser and a narcasstic liar.

After you've posted that. Then either present what this mystery evidence is that Depp was abusive that apparently everyone is ignoring (including you) or admit you made it up.

Can you answer the question Doom Art wouldn't? How would you react if someone responded to Chis Brown beating Rihanna by saying "Actually it was mutal abuse, the media just ignored the evidence that Rihanna abused Brown. But no I won't say what that evidence was. Hey when did I ever low-key defend Brown?"

I somehow get the impression you'd suddenly stop pretending that wasn't a quite grotesque defense once you swap the genders of the abuser and the victim.

You did what you people always do and ignored every single word.

You even can't answer how you feel about your same word for word logic being used against female DV Victims

They are both people

Probably

Guns_of_Verdun posted...

2. That post you just made is evidence.

no, my recognizing that you are talking out of your ass is not evidence that I support amber heard

3. I presented plenty of evidence:

no, you literally did not

Please, point out how any of the points I made were not evidence.

At this point I have to conclude that you just ignored the evidence against Heard too and declared it as people talking out their ass. Hence why you aggressively refuse to call her an abuser or Depp a victim

Dude, If you can't find evidence to support your point (in this case, that It was mutually abusive and the media ignored Depp's abuse), the polite thing to do would be admitting that you were wrong rather than continuing to make stuff up.

You're really talking out your ass.

Guns_of_Verdun posted...

Please, point out how any of the points I made were not evidence.

At this point I have to conclude that you just ignored the evidence against Heard too and declared it as people talking out their ass. Hence why you aggressively refuse to call her an abuser or Depp a victim

Dude, If you can't find evidence to support your point (in this case, that It was mutually abusive and the media ignored Depp's abuse), the polite thing to do would be admitting that you were wrong rather than continuing to make stuff up.

You're really talking out your ass.

Don't bother with that guy lol

I have a good way to put a period on this nonsense.

If someone responded to Chis Brown beating Rihanna by saying "Actually it was mutal abuse, the media just ignored the evidence that Rihanna abused Brown. But no I won't say what that evidence was."

Would you consider that to be low-key defending Brown?

I would.

Anything other than a direct yes or no is not necessary.

And I'll take any evasion or ignoring of the question as a yes.

I think the only one that slightly made me raise an eyebrow was the Marylin Manson message about hiding from the cops, BUT he was not officially a fugitive, so, eh...

You know Guns, you're a decent poster, I appreciate you making those points

tc, Amber won't be your girlfriend