Current Events > Brb going to Florida to be a chemistry teacher.

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Honestly, I'm not so sure that teachers need to go to school for 4 years and then have classes every year or whatever the continuing education requirements are. That being said though, you need to have a certain level of proficiency. You need to be able to show that you completely understand the material you are trying to teach people.

I don't understand how veterans are better able to teach kids than some random person off of the street. There has to be some kind of control about what jobs in the military can teach what subjects in school. You a cook in the army? You have no business teaching Earth and Space science to 8th graders.

and your brother in law is a DEA agent who collects rocks.

I don't understand how veterans are better able to teach kids than some random person off of the street. There has to be some kind of control about what jobs in the military can teach what subjects in school. You a cook in the army? You have no business teaching Earth and Space science to 8th graders.

I don't understand how veterans are better able to teach kids than some random person off of the street.

Honestly, I'm not so sure that teachers need to go to school for 4 years and then have classes every year or whatever the continuing education requirements are. That being said though, you need to have a certain level of proficiency. You need to be able to show that you completely understand the material you are trying to teach people.

I don't understand how veterans are better able to teach kids than some random person off of the street. There has to be some kind of control about what jobs in the military can teach what subjects in school. You a cook in the army? You have no business teaching Earth and Space science to 8th graders.

IMO, as long as you can demonstrate the knowledge that would be taught in that subject, you should be able to become an apprentice teacher. And if through that you demonstrate that you have the ability to teach, you are able to become a full teacher.

It's not just mastery of the material though - learning how to actually teach information, anticipate student barriers to understanding, plan around occurrences etc are all part of (I'd even say the more important) of teacher education and certification. Yes, you can learn things as an apprentice/assistant, but to understand WHY you use a specific presentation style or w/e is the important part of teacher education.

Well, yes. Mastery of a subject is not enough. Thats why it was only a qualifier to become an apprentice in my post. Fundamentally, all more schooling does is provide more experience on being a student. Which is something most people honestly have plenty of experience as by the time they become an adult. The teaching side of things can very reasonably be taught by working under a teacher.

So to be clear, you believe EVERYTHING you need to know about actual teaching can be taught by another teacher while you are shadowing them? And that schooling on how to be an effective teacher .. doesn't actually teach that, but just how to be a student?

Are these two claims supported by something outside your belief?

Why would military spouses be included?

Jesus Christ, ZevLiveDOOM! They're minerals!

That is not what Im claiming. My claim is more that what schooling does that my suggestion doesnt is teach you how to be a student.

IMO, as long as you can demonstrate the knowledge that would be taught in that subject, you should be able to become an apprentice teacher. And if through that you demonstrate that you have the ability to teach, you are able to become a full teacher.

Okay, how does that support your suggestion below?

My observation was/is that both mastery of subject AND understanding of teaching skills/dynamics are critical for teachers. Teachers shadowing/assisting have already been through the academic side of "how to teach" and thus have some knowledge to draw from/use in watching established teachers.

Going through university to become a teacher would involve some learning how to be a teacher, but would also involve plenty of irrelevant stuff in order to actually get your degree.

The important things are knowing the subject youd be teaching and being able to teach. My suggestion was one that focuses on those two aspects. The responsibilities and skills of teaching would be obtainable and verified through the apprenticeship/assistant thing.

DeSantis wants this to backfire. Republicans do not want public education.

This is a really broad claim - what specific classes would you take out of teaching degrees?

It's still not clear HOW you feel people will learn "skills of teaching" by themselves. As others have pointed out, there's elements of psychology, sociology, learning theory, crisis response, risk assessment, data reporting, project management, etc taught when obtaining a teaching degree. Taking counseling for example - do you believe effective use of counseling skills can be learned just through observation?

General education requirements should be eliminated

LMAO what the fuck. No.

What value to do think they have? If someone wants to go to college to get a classical liberal arts education, that's totally fine. But most people aren't going to college for that, so why should they be forced to take things that are irrelevant to their degree program?

Because the goal of college is not to churn out employees. It's to provide a broad education and create an informed, critical, engaged citizenry. A broad general education has probably never been more important than it is now.

DeSantis wants this to backfire. Republicans do not want public education.

People don't go to college because they want a broad education. They are going there because they think they will need it for their future careers. College wasn't intended to churn out employees, but it got twisted into something that attempts to do that.

People don't go to college because they want a broad education. They are going there because they think they will need it for their future careers. College wasn't intended to churn out employees, but it got twisted into something that attempts to do that.

this man gets it

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/education/2022/07/21/florida-education-program-military-veterans-teach/10117107002

That would vary based on the college. General education requirements should be eliminated, but there's likely going to be more irrelevant stuff specific to the college you are attending.

If it is something actually used in the job, then yes. I do believe it would be learnable. How specific social interactions should go can be transmitted by observing others participating in them.

You didn't really answer which specific classes, as general education is a designation, not a class.

But to make sure I understand you correctly, you would get rid of ALL Gen Ed requirements for anybody majoring in teaching?

The only required classes would be those taught by the teaching department?

Then I would say your belief is incorrect. The decades of research into how people learn skills of interacting professionally with others (i.e.teaching, counseling, management, etc) that I'm aware of show better understanding of when and why to use a specific interaction if it (and the reasoning underneath) is discussed ahead of time.

To take your example - somebody watches a teacher talk to a student who is struggling to complete homework. The teacher tells the student to talk with their parents about seeing a psychiatrist for a possible ADHD diagnosis. How does the watcher know why the teacher told the student that, instead of say providing a schedule that breaks down homework into smaller steps?

The role of the academy is a broader one beyond serving a capitalist workforce. Critical thinking and a humanistic education is, again, perhaps more important than it's ever been.

but I see some potential in character building

That isn't really question that can be answered. The exact classes are going to be different between colleges. So any answer that's generally applicable will be vague. In addition, general education requirements can be fulfilled by a few different classes for each category.

They could talk about it later. Getting someone to observe and think about an interaction and then discussing it is a way people have been taught things.