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Master Kazuya 06/15/22 7:15:32 PM #1:	How is it fun to run across the same 2D area over and over? And your reward for doing so are dead ends. I feel like rats in a cheese maze have more fun because at least they get cheese at the end, not get cheesed. --- itt my post is the best <cite>Master Kazuya posted [p:965843360] in I'm convin... [t:80059033]...</cite> <quote>How is it fun to run across the same 2D area over and over? And your reward for doing so are dead ends. I feel like rats in a cheese maze have more fun because at least they get cheese at the end, not get cheesed. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Veggeta_MAX 06/15/22 7:16:06 PM #2:	Not if there's an RPG element to it --- I'm Veggeta X's alt <cite>Veggeta_MAX posted [p:965843371] in I'm convin... [t:80059033]...</cite> <quote>Not if there's an RPG element to it </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Hornswoggled 06/15/22 7:16:16 PM #3:	Hollow Knight rocks. That is my answer to that statement. <cite>Hornswoggled posted [p:965843375] in I'm convin... [t:80059033]...</cite> <quote>Hollow Knight rocks. That is my answer to that statement. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DeathVelvien 06/15/22 7:17:17 PM #4:	Master Kazuya posted... because at least they get cheese at the end What do you think the powerups allowing for further progression are to metroidvania fans? --- UNICLR: Phonon/Orie \| BBCF: Tsubaki/Azrael \| GBVS: Zeta/Vira Arizona Cardinals: 11-6 <cite>DeathVelvien posted [p:965843395] in I'm convin... [t:80059033]...</cite> <quote>Master Kazuya posted... </cite> <quote>because at least they get cheese at the end</quote>What do you think the powerups allowing for further progression are to metroidvania fans? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KYOJIROKAGENUMA 06/15/22 7:21:29 PM #5:	Maybe its a generational thing. What you described in the OP is what I call exploration. Mapping out a whole sections and having to remember parts of the map that you couldn't traverse gives the world an atmosphere. (IMO) When its done right, you will never forget a Metroidvania map. Its been years since I've played Symphony of the Night, and I have a lot of that map memorized. --- Kill anyone who gets in the way... Actually nevermind that... JUST KILL EVERYONE! - Kyojiro Kagenuma - WoTS 2 PSN:kingmalak <cite>KYOJIROKAGENUMA posted [p:965843488] in I'm convin... [t:80059033]...</cite> <quote>Maybe its a generational thing. What you described in the OP is what I call exploration. Mapping out a whole sections and having to remember parts of the map that you couldn't traverse gives the world an atmosphere. (IMO) When its done right, you will never forget a Metroidvania map. Its been years since I've played Symphony of the Night, and I have a lot of that map memorized. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Master Kazuya 06/15/22 7:22:28 PM #6:	Hornswoggled posted... Hollow Knight rocks. That is my answer to that statement. It's even worse because the game wants you to get lost and backtrack with bad maps and having to find them and buying limited markers DeathVelvien posted... What do you think the powerups allowing for further progression are to metroidvania fans? I would rather eat real cheese than get a powerup in a game --- itt my post is the best <cite>Master Kazuya posted [p:965843510] in I'm convin... [t:80059033]...</cite> <quote>Hornswoggled posted... </cite> <quote>Hollow Knight rocks. That is my answer to that statement.</quote> It's even worse because the game wants you to get lost and backtrack with bad maps and having to find them and buying limited markers DeathVelvien posted... </cite> <quote>What do you think the powerups allowing for further progression are to metroidvania fans?</quote> I would rather eat real cheese than get a powerup in a game </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KamenRiderBlade 06/15/22 7:23:14 PM #7:	TC, did you not play "Castlevania: Symphony of the Night"? --- Are you a MexiCAN or a MexiCAN'T - Johnny Depp '*Once Upon A Time in Mexico*' <cite>KamenRiderBlade posted [p:965843524] in I'm convin... [t:80059033]...</cite> <quote>TC, did you not play "Castlevania: Symphony of the Night"? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BignutzisBack 06/15/22 7:23:15 PM #8:	I loooovve Metroidvania games --- http://i.imgur.com/plA0Vg9.gif https://media.giphy.com/media/dgK22exekwOLm/giphy.gif <cite>BignutzisBack posted [p:965843525] in I'm convin... [t:80059033]...</cite> <quote>I loooovve Metroidvania games </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MC_BatCommander 06/15/22 7:23:48 PM #9:	I think they're fun and rarely have trouble finding where to go --- The Legend is True! <cite>MC_BatCommander posted [p:965843534] in I'm convin... [t:80059033]...</cite> <quote>I think they're fun and rarely have trouble finding where to go </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Punished_Blinx 06/15/22 7:25:05 PM #10:	I played Metroid Dread recently and honestly didn't really feel like there was all that much backtracking. It was paced really well. --- A Fallen Mascot <cite>Punished_Blinx posted [p:965843567] in I'm convin... [t:80059033]...</cite> <quote>I played Metroid Dread recently and honestly didn't really feel like there was all that much backtracking. It was paced really well. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FaultyCircuitry 06/15/22 7:25:56 PM #11:	Master Kazuya posted... bad maps lol, HK has one of the best map systems in the genre it makes you get to know the environment rather than being told which square you're in --- And I'd never do it but it's not a joke; I can't tell the difference when I'm all alone ~[she/her\|they/them]~ <cite>FaultyCircuitry posted [p:965843581] in I'm convin... [t:80059033]...</cite> <quote>Master Kazuya posted... </cite> <quote>bad maps</quote> lol, HK has one of the best map systems in the genre it makes you get to know the environment rather than being told which square you're in </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SSJKirby 06/15/22 7:26:20 PM #12:	incremental upgrades that reward my curiosity --- Not changing this signature until Beyond Good and Evil 2 is in my hand. August 25th, 2010. <cite>SSJKirby posted [p:965843588] in I'm convin... [t:80059033]...</cite> <quote>incremental upgrades that reward my curiosity </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Antifar 06/15/22 7:28:08 PM #13:	It rewards you for paying attention and getting to learn the area --- kin to all that throbs <cite>Antifar posted [p:965843622] in I'm convin... [t:80059033]...</cite> <quote>It rewards you for paying attention and getting to learn the area </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Guide 06/15/22 7:33:32 PM #14:	I get to explore for upgrades and lore. Also, I have to wonder if tc just has bad map memory. --- evening main 2.4356848e+91 https://youtu.be/Acn5IptKWQU <cite>Guide posted [p:965843737] in I'm convin... [t:80059033]...</cite> <quote>I get to explore for upgrades and lore. Also, I have to wonder if tc just has bad map memory. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
the_rowan 06/15/22 7:34:28 PM #15:	KYOJIROKAGENUMA posted... Maybe its a generational thing. What you described in the OP is what I call exploration. Mapping out a whole sections and having to remember parts of the map that you couldn't traverse gives the world an atmosphere. (IMO) When its done right, you will never forget a Metroidvania map. Its been years since I've played Symphony of the Night, and I have a lot of that map memorized. I don't understand how a game like Hollow Knight that has very distinctive room layouts and landmarks can draw so much criticism for not literally telling the player that they went right and down from the last time they checked the map, but a game where every room uses the same mechanical or abstract tileset and everything feels same-y but gives you a grid showing where you are and tells you where you need to go is seen as fine. It's like people lost any ability to do anything but follow a guide... --- "That is why war is so tragic. To win means to make victims of your opponents and give birth to hatred." - Kratos Aurion, Tales of Symphonia <cite>the_rowan posted [p:965843757] in I'm convin... [t:80059033]...</cite> <quote>KYOJIROKAGENUMA posted... </cite> <quote>Maybe its a generational thing. What you described in the OP is what I call exploration. Mapping out a whole sections and having to remember parts of the map that you couldn't traverse gives the world an atmosphere. (IMO) When its done right, you will never forget a Metroidvania map. Its been years since I've played Symphony of the Night, and I have a lot of that map memorized.</quote> I don't understand how a game like Hollow Knight that has very distinctive room layouts and landmarks can draw so much criticism for not literally telling the player that they went right and down from the last time they checked the map, but a game where every room uses the same mechanical or abstract tileset and everything feels same-y but gives you a grid showing where you are and tells you where you need to go is seen as fine. It's like people lost any ability to do anything but follow a guide... </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Master Kazuya 06/15/22 7:42:26 PM #16:	MC_BatCommander posted... I think they're fun and rarely have trouble finding where to go Well yeah of course you don't have trouble finding where to go because the trouble is the fun part for you. --- itt my post is the best <cite>Master Kazuya posted [p:965843945] in I'm convin... [t:80059033]...</cite> <quote>MC_BatCommander posted... </cite> <quote>I think they're fun and rarely have trouble finding where to go </quote> Well yeah of course you don't have trouble finding where to go because the trouble is the fun part for you. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
GeneralKenobi85 06/15/22 7:49:48 PM #17:	Sounds like you're the one in denial. --- Ah, yes, the Negotiator: General Kenobi <sneaky beeping> <cite>GeneralKenobi85 posted [p:965844103] in I'm convin... [t:80059033]...</cite> <quote>Sounds like you're the one in denial. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Shishiwakamaru 06/15/22 7:51:38 PM #18:	The only thing I hate are Metroid games are areas that seem like dead ends but they actually aren't if you find the exact right spot --- You've got to tell me. Why don't you just tell me? <cite>Shishiwakamaru posted [p:965844139] in I'm convin... [t:80059033]...</cite> <quote>The only thing I hate are Metroid games are areas that seem like dead ends but they actually aren't if you find the exact right spot </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
metralo 06/15/22 7:52:55 PM #19:	GeneralKenobi85 posted... Sounds like you're the one in denial. this --- https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/1298321979/image.jpg bustin makes me feel good <cite>metralo posted [p:965844163] in I'm convin... [t:80059033]...</cite> <quote>GeneralKenobi85 posted... </cite> <quote>Sounds like you're the one in denial.</quote> this </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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