Current Events > The Hinduization of India Is Nearly Complete

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https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2022/05/narendra-modi-india-religion-hindu-nationalism/630169/

When the british withdrew from the Indian subcontinent in 1947, paving the way for the independence of the newly partitioned nations of India and Pakistan, the Muslims of the region had a choice. They could resettle in Pakistan, where they would be among a Muslim majority, or remain in India, where they would live as a minority in a majority-Hindu but constitutionally secular state. For Shah Alam Khan, whose great-grandparents were among the roughly 35 million Muslims who opted to live on the Indian side of the Radcliffe Line in the aftermath of Partition, his familys decision was in many ways a political gamble. They didnt want to go to a theocratic state, Khan told me from his home in Delhi. Indeed, when Pakistan finally adopted a constitution, nine years after Partition, it enshrined Islam as the state religion. For his family, the promise of a pluralist India, as envisaged by the countrys founders, trumped the warnings of the pro-Partition Muslim League (which went on to become the party of Pakistans founders) that a Muslim minority would inevitably be subordinate to the Hindu majority. Seventy-five years later, those warnings have gained a new prescience. For Indian Muslims, in particular, the situation is dire. During the recently passed holy month of Ramadan, they saw their houses and shops bulldozed, their businesses boycotted, and their religious gatherings heckled by Hindu-nationalist mobs.

Open calls for genocide against Muslims have become commonplace, as have violent clashes and lynchings. Although the authorities generally avoid the appearance of explicitly endorsing these kinds of actions, they rarely go out of their way to condemn them. A recent open letter signed by more than 100 former civil servants accused the Indian government of being fully complicit in the subordination of the countrys religious minorities as well as in the undermining of the countrys constitution. Whenever I used to go meet my mom, she used to give me food, Khan said. But ever since [Modi] came to power, she stopped giving me that food, because a large part of that food used to be meat. Cows are considered sacred to the Hindu faith, and their slaughter has been proscribed in most statesa rule often enforced by vigilante mobs. If Khan were stopped by a hostile crowd on suspicion of carrying beef, his mother feared, he could be arrested, even lynched. Akifwho asked to be identified by only his first name for fear of persecutiongrew up in what he describes as comfortable circumstances in Aligarh, southwest of Delhi. But that comfort has slipped in recent years. He wont leave home wearing traditional Islamic attire if he is going to an unfamiliar neighborhood. His wife, who works in academia, has been asked by colleagues about why she wears a hijab, the Muslim headscarf, and why she doesnt work at an Islamic institution. Some of the most incendiary comments, Akif says, have come from people he considered friends. These restrictions, compounded by public debates at the local, state, and even national levels over whether Muslim students should be allowed to wear headscarves in school or how loudly mosques should broadcast the call to prayer (known as the azaan), have left many Indian Muslims feeling unwelcome in their own country. Initially, they came for our dietary habits, now the azaan, Rana Ayyub, an Indian Muslim journalist and author, told me. Every day you wake up and its like, Okay, what part of our identity are you going to attack today?

meh, i can understand not wanting to give islamists even an inch, especially in that part of the world and bordering a hostile islamic theocracy

my perspective as a diaspora-iranian is probably heavily biasing that

Lebronwon posted...

If Khan were stopped by a hostile crowd on suspicion of carrying beef, his mother feared, he could be arrested, even lynched.

They kill people just for having beef in their possession in India wtf.

Ethnic cleansing is bad actually

ChopinList posted...

They kill people just for having beef in their possession in India wtf.

cows are literally sacred to them. imagine if there were a visible minority in america who regularly butcher and eat dogs, now add religious fervor to how angry that'd already make you.

not saying anyone deserves death for having beef in their possession, just explaining some context

KhlavicLanguage posted...

meh, i can understand not wanting to give islamists even an inch, especially in that part of the world and bordering a hostile islamic theocracy

my perspective as a diaspora-iranian is probably heavily biasing that

These people don't sound like Islamists. These sounded like Muslims who didn't want to live in a theocracy even an Islamic one.

creativerealms posted...

These people don't sound like Islamists. These sounded like Muslims who didn't want to live in a theocracy even an Islamic one.

hindu nationalists aren't going to be making much of a distinction

KhlavicLanguage posted...

cows are literally sacred to them. imagine if there were a visible minority in america who regularly butcher and eat dogs, now add religious fervor to how angry that'd already make you.

not saying anyone deserves death for having beef in their possession, just explaining some context

It still misses the point of the religion. Karma will get people who eat beef in their next life. It's not up to you to punish them in this one.

In fact, being unjustly murdered will actually help beef eaters in the next life so you're actively harming your own interests.

KhlavicLanguage posted...

hindu nationalists aren't going to be making much of a distinction

neither are you, apparently

Tyranthraxus posted...

It still misses the point of the religion. Karma will get people who eat beef in their next life. It's not up to you to punish them in this one.

is your knowledge of hindu theology and politics limited to what you've heard on the simpsons

KhlavicLanguage posted...

is your knowledge of hindu theology and politics limited to what you've heard on the simpsons

I don't really watch the Simpsons.

KhlavicLanguage posted...

cows are literally sacred to them. imagine if there were a visible minority in america who regularly butcher and eat dogs, now add religious fervor to how angry that'd already make you.

not saying anyone deserves death for having beef in their possession, just explaining some context

The context is fucking stupid regardless and goes a long way towards justifying everyone who think religion (any and all of them) is nothing but a plague.

greyfox747 posted...

neither are you, apparently

i just recognize they're stuck between a rock and a hard place. this article, written for a western audience with the luxury of intersectionality and diversity being decades ahead of where they are in south asia, massively overstates the secularity of indian muslims. they vote for the positions that follow islamic theocracy when given the chance.

Tyranthraxus posted...

I don't really watch the Simpsons.

you don't really read much about hinduism either or else your take on the "point of the religion" wouldn't read like it was off the back of a box of freezer-aisle tikka masala

ChopinList posted...

They kill people just for having beef in their possession in India wtf.

This is a bit misleading. Although it is true that most Hindus don't eat beef, a growing subsection of the young Hindu population in urban areas does eat meat without any issue. Most people in urban areas, even the ones that don't eat beef, do not have an issue with the people that do eat beef. The killing of people for eating beef is only thought about in rural villages.

KhlavicLanguage posted...

i just recognize they're stuck between a rock and a hard place. this article, written for a western audience with the luxury of intersectionality and diversity being decades ahead of where they are in south asia, massively overstates the secularity of indian muslims. they vote for the positions that follow islamic theocracy when given the chance.

This rings really hollow right after you tried to justify lynching people for having beef in their possession

greyfox747 posted...

This rings really hollow right after you tried to justify lynching people for having beef in their possession

i didn't justify it, in fact i said no one should be getting killed for having beef in their possession lol

can we skip to the part where you tell me what post i made in 2017 that's got you grilling me in this unrelated topic

KhlavicLanguage posted...

you don't really read much about hinduism either or else your take on the "point of the religion" wouldn't read like it was off the back of a box of freezer-aisle tikka masala

Nah.

KhlavicLanguage posted...

i didn't justify it, in fact i said no one should be getting killed for having beef in their possession lol

can we skip to the part where you tell me what post i made in 2017 that's got you grilling me in this unrelated topic

Do you have a history of saying incredibly fucked up things? I dont know anything about that, but way to tell on yourself like that

Im just calling you out on the shit youve said ITT, like trying to portray all Muslim people as hardcore islamists that need to be suppressed at all costs. You did try very hard to justify it too, we can all see it up there. You should try being honest.

KhlavicLanguage posted...

meh, i can understand not wanting to give islamists even an inch, especially in that part of the world and bordering a hostile islamic theocracy

my perspective as a diaspora-iranian is probably heavily biasing that

You make it sound like they are militant Muslims dude. They're not.

I'm not one to defend Islam as I am an ex-Muslim, but I won't pretend that there are Muslims (who are minorities) out there that are being targeted, abused, converted and even killed/cleansed for their beliefs by extremist groups and politicians

It's happening in India, China (Ughyers), Myanmar (Roghinyan people) and west bank (Palestinians) to name a few.

Let's not forget the shit show after 9/11. Muslims, Sikhs and anyone that looked middle eastern were profiled and met with prejudice, violence and sometimes murder. I'm sure you Iranians that have stories about it.

Fucking western media gives a blind eye to the middle east and Muslims, but when a western country or ally is attacked, it's all over the news.

I don't believe in religion, but I believe in freedom of religion. No group should be targeted for their creed (or lack of), as long as they aren't hurting anyone.

KhlavicLanguage posted...

meh, i can understand not wanting to give islamists even an inch, especially in that part of the world and bordering a hostile islamic theocracy

my perspective as a diaspora-iranian is probably heavily biasing that

Respectfully, there is a big difference between opposing Islamic interests in government and

. During the recently passed holy month of Ramadan, they saw their houses and shops bulldozed, their businesses boycotted, and their religious gatherings heckled by Hindu-nationalist mobs.
Open calls for genocide against Muslims have become commonplace, as have violent clashes and lynchings.

That said, fuck anyone imposing their religions strictures on others.

Can y'all stop feeding Khlavic holy shit lol

Oh my heavens, you literally had to go back and edit in your very weak disclaimer after you tried to justify lynching people for having beef and empathizing with the perpetrators motives

I guess that shows where your priorities are at. You went too mask off in your initial post, my guy.

Why doesn't the mum just cook Buffalo meat for Khan? They're fine to eat, even for a lot of Hindu's except the vegetarians.
It's probably cheaper, as well.

Timmyjinkle posted...

Why doesn't the mum just eat Buffalo meat? They're fine to eat, even for a lot of Hindu's except the vegetarians.

You first lol.

The_Creep_2020 posted...

You first lol.

https://trulocal.ca/blog/117/5-reasons-to-try-buffalo-meat

Timmyjinkle posted...

https://trulocal.ca/blog/117/5-reasons-to-try-buffalo-meat

That's not the kind of buffalo that lives in India.

Also

Timmyjinkle posted...

Why doesn't the mum just cook Buffalo meat for Khan? They're fine to eat, even for a lot of Hindu's except the vegetarians.
It's probably cheaper, as well.

Because there's literally nothing to differentiate it from beef.

Buffalo / Bison are just different types of beef.

Ostrich, however, is not beef, and tastes very similar.

this thread lead me down a rabbit hole of hindu hell

Lalabhaksam - (River of semen)
This is the Naraka for lustful men. The lascivious fellow who makes his wife swallow his semen, is cast into this hell. Lalabhaksam is a sea of semen. The sinner lies in it, feeding upon semen alone until his period of punishment

nice

Tyranthraxus posted...

Buffalo / Bison are just different types of beef.

Ostrich, however, is not beef, and tastes very similar.

On a technical level they are not, and meat from Bison or (actual) Buffalos is differentiated from beef, which is the meat from cattle.

But if someone on the street is going to attack you because they think you have beef products on you, having buffalo meat instead isn't gonna save your ass.

Tyranthraxus posted...

Buffalo / Bison are just different types of beef.

Ostrich, however, is not beef, and tastes very similar.

No, Water Buffalo is perfectly fine (legal, and some Hindu's eat it fine), and you can buy it in Delhi in restaurants:

https://www.swiggy.com/restaurants/the-burger-house-gk-1-greater-kailash-delhi-82079
(Buff patty, stacked high with pickled onions, rosemary spice, lettuce and smoked homemade mayonnaise.)

KhlavicLanguage posted...

i can understand not wanting to give islamists even an inch, especially in that part of the world and bordering a hostile islamic theocracy

"I just want to practice my religion in peace"

"Extremist!"

Shut the fuck up

Timmyjinkle posted...

No, Water Buffalo is perfectly fine (legal, and some Hindu's eat it fine), and you can buy it in Delhi in restaurants:

https://www.swiggy.com/restaurants/the-burger-house-gk-1-greater-kailash-delhi-82079
(Buff patty, stacked high with pickled onions, rosemary spice, lettuce and smoked homemade mayonnaise.)

One of the other posters mentioned how it was mostly a problem in rural areas and they're right. People in rural areas of desi countries aren't exactly known for flawless application of logic when it comes to religion >_>

Back_Stabbath posted...

this thread lead me down a rabbit hole of hindu hell

nice

Damn how long you gotta guzzle cum in hindu hell? What exactly is the period of time we are talking here, and who's semen is it?

Arcanine2009 posted...

You make it sound like they are militant Muslims dude. They're not.

I'm not one to defend Islam as I am an ex-Muslim, but I won't pretend that there are Muslims (who are minorities) out there that are being targeted, abused, converted and even killed/cleansed for their beliefs by extremist groups and politicians

It's happening in India, China (Ughyers), Myanmar (Roghinyan people) and west bank (Palestinians) to name a few.

Let's not forget the shit show after 9/11. Muslims, Sikhs and anyone that looked middle eastern were profiled and met with prejudice, violence and sometimes murder. I'm sure you Iranians that have stories about it.

Fucking western media gives a blind eye to the middle east and Muslims, but when a western country or ally is attacked, it's all over the news.

I don't believe in religion, but I believe in freedom of religion. No group should be targeted for their creed (or lack of), as long as they aren't hurting anyone.

Even worse, he is justifying religious extremism because he sees another religions extremists as worse. When we are talking about people so fanatical they will kill you if they find beef in you.

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Which is funny too because he was an anime elitist at one point.