Current Events > Just got some super fucked up news at work.

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My coworker left a firearm out. His three year old son got ahold of it unsupervised, and accidentally shot himself. Hes dead.

Justfuck man.

Damn.

God damn it, really really sad but god damn it please dont leave your gun out and treat it like what it is, a weapon that can kill with ease. Fuck man.

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Honestly he's probably already paid a large enough price.

that is terrible.

RIP to his son.

unfortunately, stories like these aren't unique, and will continue to happen over and over because people believe it won't happen to them or their loved ones.

Im so sorry to hear that. Is this coworker a friend? Are you able to offer any help to him and his family?

Stories like this are tragic but they're also super fucking common. People in the US just can't seem to learn their lesson about guns. Unless the culture shifts in another direction, this will keep happening.

Worst news to read.

Fuck man, that's rough.

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Agreed. Fucking awful situation.

Wedge Antilles posted...

Honestly he's probably already paid a large enough price.

What about the price the innocent kid had to pay due to his dad being irresponsible.

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The worst take, the most horrible take, maybe ever. And I've seen a lot of bad takes in my day, believe me.

WrestlinFan posted...

What about the price the innocent kid had to pay due to his dad being irresponsible.

deupd_u posted...

The worst take, the most horrible take, maybe ever. And I've seen a lot of bad takes in my day, believe me.

How is it a bad take?

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Putting him in prison to rot doesn't teach him or society anything, completely awful take

I sympathize with the dad for sure. And I do think that losing a child like that is a truly cruel and fucked up experience to go through, and his suffering must be immeasurable.

With that being said - what people are saying in this thread about child endangerment is true.

In an ideal world, this wouldn't be something people feel the need to say after a child is killed. But in an ideal world, people wouldn't be leaving loaded firearms within arm's reach of a child. It is an unspeakable tragedy - which could have been prevented by securing the firearm properly, preventing the death of a child and the intense heartbreak of their parents.

And frankly, it shouldn't be legal to leave firearms unsecured. Period. Let alone in a household where you have a child. It feels distasteful to call for the punishment of a parent after their child dies, and of course people are going to call this political correctness gone mad and call attention to the political divide and all that shit. But since when was it acceptable to leave a loaded weapon within arm's reach of a child?

If the kid grabbed a fork and stuck it in an electrical socket, it would be an unimaginable tragedy. Negligence isn't out of the question, but even then, forks are so common in households due to their utility that it's totally understandable how a kid would get their hands on one and think to put it in a wall socket.

What utility does a loaded, unsecured gun have in a household with children? How was this allowed to happen in the first place? And as much as negligence is a factor when you look at a child sticking a fork in an electrical socket, is negligence not an acceptable factor to consider in a shooting death of a child?

My condolences to your coworker, and may he find some peace with himself in time. Again - I can't begin to imagine the guilt and sorrow he must be feeling over the death of his son. That's a pain that can easily last a lifetime. But for the love of fucking Christ, I can only hope that whoever made this preventable situation possible holds themselves accountable or is held accountable.

deupd_u posted...

The worst take, the most horrible take, maybe ever. And I've seen a lot of bad takes in my day, believe me.

Eh, it's not that bad.

I have a 3 year old. He can't even unscrew his sippy cup lid. Whenever I hear these stories I always question how toddlers have the grip strength to shoot themselves, especially if they have to turn of the safety and chamber a round.

kelemvor posted...

I have a 3 year old. He can't even unscrew his sippy cup lid. Whenever I hear these stories I always question how toddlers have the grip strength to shoot themselves, especially if they have to turn of the safety and chamber a round.

The assumption is the safety was off and a round was chambered.

WrestlinFan posted...

What about the price the innocent kid had to pay due to his dad being irresponsible.

so is throwing the dad in jail gonna bring the kid back to life then?

kelemvor posted...

I have a 3 year old. He can't even unscrew his sippy cup lid. Whenever I hear these stories I always question how toddlers have the grip strength to shoot themselves, especially if they have to turn of the safety and chamber a round.

My brothers youngest kid is like a mutant. At four I would catch him scaling the walls of the living room.

When he saw someone looking at him hed just let go and fall to the floor. Then laugh and run off.

kelemvor posted...

I have a 3 year old. He can't even unscrew his sippy cup lid. Whenever I hear these stories I always question how toddlers have the grip strength to shoot themselves, especially if they have to turn of the safety and chamber a round.

The 2 guns I ever fired were also tough to pull the trigger without effort on my part.

I cant call this a freak accident when an adult left an unsupervised gun. I know he must be feeling horrible, but precedents have to be set. He should really face some consequence.

spikethedevil posted...

How is it a bad take?

Gun fetishists are not proponents of personal responsibility when it comes to guns

Perascamin posted...

Putting him in prison to rot doesn't teach him or society anything, completely awful take

Child endangerment is a crime worthy of jail time.

Yeah assuming he loved his son which should be obvious. Nothing could be more punishing than what has already happened.

So I also think charging after the fact is a little silly, he probably will be but he also probably doesn't care about that.

Wedge Antilles posted...

Honestly he's probably already paid a large enough price.

deupd_u posted...

The worst take, the most horrible take, maybe ever. And I've seen a lot of bad takes in my day, believe me.

Perascamin posted...

Putting him in prison to rot doesn't teach him or society anything, completely awful take

These kinds of bullshit attitudes only enable laziness with gun safety. People like you are the reason tragedies like this are as common as they are in the US. Shut the fuck up.

TheOtherMike posted...

This kind of bullshit attitude only enables laziness with gun safety. People like you are the reason tragedies like this are as common as they are in the US. Shut the fuck up.

And yet whatever punishment the law gives him will feel like a slap on the wrist compared to what has already happened, and if he ever owns another gun, guess what would make him think of proper gun safety. The accidental death of his son. He'll preach proper gun safety after this.

People are so sure they're right about something and don't actually think about things. CE gonna CE.

Darkinsanity1 posted...

And yet whatever punishment the law gives him will feel like a slap on the wrist compared to what has already happened, and if he ever owns another gun, guess what would make him think of proper gun safety. The accidental death of his son. He'll preach proper gun safety after this.

People are so sure they're right about something and don't actually think about things. CE gonna CE.

Doubling down doesnt make you right.

Darkinsanity1 posted...

And yet whatever punishment the law gives him will feel like a slap on the wrist compared to what has already happened, and if he ever owns another gun, guess what would make him think of proper gun safety. The accidental death of his son. He'll preach proper gun safety after this.

People are so sure they're right about something and don't actually think about things. CE gonna CE.

The same can be said of a lot of people who kill others in drunk driving accidents, should we not be charging them either?

Darkinsanity1 posted...

And yet whatever punishment the law gives him will feel like a slap on the wrist compared to what has already happened, and if he ever owns another gun, guess what would make him think of proper gun safety. The accidental death of his son. He'll preach proper gun safety after this.

People are so sure they're right about something and don't actually think about things. CE gonna CE.

We lock parents up and take their custody of their children for far less.

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And I'm sure he will be, but my point is that he hardly cares and the real punishment has already occurred. And have you looked at our karma and accounts? You're probably the kid lol. But I'm done, just pointing out how stupid people on CE can be in their blind assertions.

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I agree

Null_Gain posted...

Gun fetishists are not proponents of personal responsibility when it comes to guns

This. father should receive prison time

Darkinsanity1 posted...

And yet whatever punishment the law gives him will feel like a slap on the wrist compared to what has already happened, and if he ever owns another gun, guess what would make him think of proper gun safety. The accidental death of his son. He'll preach proper gun safety after this.

Completely. Fucking. Irrelevant. In no other situation would you be advocating not charging someone for their gross negligence that lead to someone's death because "they already feel bad," because "he learned his lesson this time," or because "throwing him in jail won't bring the kid back." Gun culture in this country is a problem, and one of the absolute first steps to fixing it is requiring, under penalty of law, that people properly secure their firearms. We shouldn't need to enshrine common sense into law, but here we are.

Darkinsanity1 posted...

People are so sure they're right about something and don't actually think about things. CE gonna CE.

This is pure projection. Shut. The. Fuck. Up.

TheOtherMike posted...

These kinds of bullshit attitudes only enable laziness with gun safety. People like you are the reason tragedies like this are as common as they are in the US. Shut the fuck up.

What issue does charging the parent in this scenario resolve? The most fair thing that can happen is his guns being taken away and his right to bear arms revoked. He didn't want his child to shoot himself.

Perascamin posted...

What issue does charging the parent in this scenario resolve? The most fair thing that can happen is his guns being taken away and his right to bear arms revoked. He didn't want his child to shoot himself.

Drunk drivers don't mean to kill people yet we lock them up regardless. Why advocate for less when someone leaves an unsecured firearm around and their children kill themselves?

Perascamin posted...

What issue does charging the parent in this scenario resolve?

1. Justice for the victim.
2. Justice for the victim's other family members.
3. Working to reverse lazy-ass gun culture.

Perascamin posted...

The most fair thing that can happen is his guns being taken away and his right to bear arms revoked. He didn't want his child to shoot himself.

TheOtherMike posted...

Completely. Fucking. Irrelevant. In no other situation would you be advocating not charging someone for their gross negligence that lead to someone's death because "they already feel bad," because "he learned his lesson this time," or because "throwing him in jail won't bring the kid back."

Never leave a gun out. Its fucking simple. I've been in so many houses where people just have guns on the dining table or near their TVs or some shit. It's incredibly fucking wreckless.

And yeah he deserves whatever is coming to him. It's his dumb ass fault his child is dead.