Current Events > I find the ending of The Dark Knight unrealistic (spoilers)

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One of the boats would've blown up the other

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I think the Joker lied to them and the triggers were for their own boats like he gave Batman Harvey's address and said it was Rachel's

After seeing humanity during covid, I absolutely agree.

yeah, people talked through a life/death scenario in a few minutes then voted for it without fighting/struggle over the trigger device

I find the beginning of The Dark Knight unrealistic.

I'm pretty sure he is wearing hockey pads.

BilalPowell posted...

I think the Joker lied to them and the triggers were for their own boats like he gave Batman Harvey's address and said it was Rachel's

Thats irrelevant to whether one would have exploded or not..

but I agree he did that

BilalPowell posted...

I think the Joker lied to them and the triggers were for their own boats like he gave Batman Harvey's address and said it was Rachel's

I dont think so. The addresses was about breaking Dent. Joker needed Dent to survive but lose his girl. Batman would probably never know if there was a switcheroo on the boats either way. And really, the whole boat thing was a distraction to give Harvey time unnoticed to fall to his own hatred.

DrizztLink posted...

I find the beginning of The Dark Knight unrealistic.

I'm pretty sure he is wearing hockey pads.

I always thought he said hockey pants until a couple weeks ago

Nukazie posted...

yeah, people talked through a life/death scenario in a few minutes then voted for it without fighting/struggle over the trigger device

I think the big thing is that people argued to press it but wouldn't step up and take on the guilt of pressing the button themselves.

So basically they were happy for someone else to press it but nobody could cross that line personally. Which I think is hopefully the case for real life too.

Both The Dark Knight and this new The Batman are good stories about a Batman stumbling into their 'true' role. This movie is a better thriller IMO while The Batman does a better job of making Bruce a dynamic character, you can see the toll being Batman takes on Bruce Wayne in the 2022 movie. In the Dark Knight, Bruce Wayne's scenes feel almost comedic, and the only problem Bruce Wayne has from being Batman is a dog bite and being sleepy during boring meetings.

Joker and Riddler are both fantastic villains. I like how in either case their plans more or less succeed and Batman is left to pick up the pieces in one manner or another. Joker was more concerned with human nature and proving people fallible, while Riddler is a dark reflection of Batman's own ideology, both of them seeking a poorly defined "vengeance" and Batman accidentally fulfilling Riddler's plans as a result.

BDSM mask Riddler is a silly costume but his performance at the end in plainclothes is so good it makes up for that.

Doe posted...

In the Dark Knight, Bruce Wayne's scenes feel almost comedic, and the only problem Bruce Wayne has from being Batman is a dog bite and being sleepy during boring meetings.

I thought they were showing the early days of batman, he also underestimated joker for just being one man compared to the gangs they were trying to prosecute, then chaos ensued, lives lost, he lost his girl and buddy because of joker but unfortunately we didnt see the paranoid batman who would not treat small threats lightly

Nukazie posted...

I thought they were showing the early days of batman, he also underestimated joker for just being one man compared to the gangs they were trying to prosecute, then chaos ensued, lives lost, he lost his girl and buddy because of joker but unfortunately we didnt see the paranoid batman who would not treat small threats lightly

I think he means that being Batman didn't really impact his life as Bruce Wayne all that much. While this was a major focus in The Batman.

I think Batman Begins overall developed him in a way where it's believable that it wouldn't impact his life all that much after the events of that movie. He found a good balance and Rachel inspired his morality and how he holds himself up as Bruce. His version of the character is overall in a better headspace until after the events of TDK where he actually ends up being worse.

Funny thing about this trilogy in retrospect. I'm pretty sure Nolan's Batman only ends up being Batman for like a year or two before disappearing and briefly coming back in TDKR. So Patman potentially is the more experienced Batman lol

Punished_Blinx posted...

I think he means that being Batman didn't really impact his life as Bruce Wayne all that much. While this was a major focus in The Batman.

so is The Batman like the unforgiving batman of BvS or his journey to the dark side

either way i can't wait to see it

Nukazie posted...

so is The Batman like the unforgiving batman of BvS or his journey to the dark side

either way i can't wait to see it

He is unforgiving, but not because of decades of soul crushing work and loss like in BvS, more because he hasn't realized how much more of a positive influence he can be/is still dwelling on his own pain

Punished_Blinx posted...

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Doe posted...

Joker needed Dent to survive but lose his girl

I'm like 99% sure the Joker wasn't planning to do anything with Dent. He kidnapped them for shits and giggles. When it went down the way it did, that's when he decided to fuck with him.

What are you trying to prove, TC?

Verdekal posted...

What are you trying to prove, TC?

We live in a society that didnt care until I put the mask on

Punished_Blinx posted...

I think he means that being Batman didn't really impact his life as Bruce Wayne all that much. While this was a major focus in The Batman.

I think Batman Begins overall developed him in a way where it's believable that it wouldn't impact his life all that much after the events of that movie. He found a good balance and Rachel inspired his morality and how he holds himself up as Bruce. His version of the character is overall in a better headspace until after the events of TDK where he actually ends up being worse.

Funny thing about this trilogy in retrospect. I'm pretty sure Nolan's Batman only ends up being Batman for like a year or two before disappearing and briefly coming back in TDKR. So Patman potentially is the more experienced Batman lol

I assume just regular crime shit went on between the movies and batman dealt with it. I understand Nolan was wanting a more realistic take and 3 major events for a human vigilante is plenty.

mooreandrew58 posted...

I assume just regular crime shit went on between the movies and batman dealt with it. I understand Nolan was wanting a more realistic take and 3 major events for a human vigilante is plenty.

There's only the year or so between Begins and TDK since he goes into hiding for 8 years immediately after TDK lol

That's how I figured he was active as Batman for around two years.

Punished_Blinx posted...

There's only the year or so between Begins and TDK since he goes into hiding for 8 years immediately after TDK lol

That's how I figured he was active as Batman for around two years.

It's been awhile. Didn't recall time frames being mentioned

pegusus123456 posted...

I'm like 99% sure the Joker wasn't planning to do anything with Dent. He kidnapped them for shits and giggles. When it went down the way it did, that's when he decided to fuck with him.

HARD disagree. Dent was the key, and Batman & Gordon make that clear at the end of the movie. For one thing, Joker not only gives Dent a gun and inspires him to go out and kill, but he literally puts the gun in Dent's hand up to his own head. When Dent flips the coin Joker says "now we're talking." If Dent murders anyone, then Joker has succeeded in tearing down Gotham's white knight.

BilalPowell posted...

I think the Joker lied to them and the triggers were for their own boats like he gave Batman Harvey's address and said it was Rachel's

That's what I thought too

And I thought the "normal" people would blow themselves up and the criminals wouldn't.

Doe posted...

One of the boats would've blown up the other

In a vaccuum I agree with you.

But the entire point of the movie was Batman and Joker fighting over "Harvey Dent's soul" IE hope for Gotham.

The movie wouldn't make sense if Dent's actions hadn't given the people hope. That's why the Joker "lost" when people didn't turn on each other

It makes sense in the context of the movie. The people on both boats did the right thing ultimately because they had regained faith in the city and it's future.

Punished_Blinx posted...

I think the big thing is that people argued to press it but wouldn't step up and take on the guilt of pressing the button themselves.

So basically they were happy for someone else to press it but nobody could cross that line personally. Which I think is hopefully the case for real life too.

I also feel that this was the lynchpin that made the scene plausible and kept it from being silly / naive.

I hate that scene for one reason. The lady on the civilian boat says the people on the other boat had their chance and they should be blown up more or less. All someone had to say to her would be and what about the crew and prison staff on there like the captain of her boat could have said that.

but I still agree with TC. Before the joker message would even end some how both boats blow up simultaneously.

DD Divine posted...

I hate that scene for one reason. The lady on the civilian boat says the people on the other boat had their chance and they should be blown up more or less. All someone had to say to her would be and what about the crew and prison staff on there like the captain of her boat could have said that.

but I still agree with TC. Before the joker message would even end some how both boats blow up simultaneously.

Less innocent lives lost. And plus prison staff aren't viewed in a positive light to begin with.

Those of us that take the job seriously though. It would be treated like a hostage situation. Our lives are forfeit.

It would be a conundrum though cause it's also our job to protect the inmates lives. But I feel wed pick protecting the public