Current Events > AOC calls out Biden for failing to mention student loan debt

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https://www.businessinsider.com/aoc-student-loan-forgiveness-left-unsaid-state-of-the-union-2022-3

New York Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez noticed President Joe Biden didn't mention the student debt crisis during his State of the Union and she said it might translate to poor turnout at the polls.

"There are some things that were left unsaid that we are really going to have to work on as a party, in order to really speak to constituencies that have historically supported the president, whose turnout we need, whose support we need right now and in the coming years, that perhaps haven't heard their issues spoken to in the way that they wanted to hear it," Ocasio-Cortez told MSNBC Tuesday night.

"Things like student loan debt, the larger themes and crises in education, as well as the piece on immigration was really just glossed over," she added.

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She's beyond queen, she's a Goddess

That ship has sailed, just like COVID. Americans can only focus on one thing at a time, and that thing has nothing to do with our own country.

Oh god a covert aoc simping topic

You people are jackals

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Did people really just accept huge debts and expect it to all be forgiven?

Hey, atleast we got 'funding the police'!

Naysaspace posted...

Oh god a covert aoc simping topic

You people are jackals

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Every AOC topic is a covert simping topic by that defintion

It's like making a topic about the sun and being like "wow a covert star topic"

Naysaspace posted...

Oh god a covert aoc simping topic

You people are jackals

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Huh?

Ving_Rhames posted...

That ship has sailed, just like COVID. Americans can only focus on one thing at a time, and that thing has nothing to do with our own country.

It's even worse in the UK

Everyone has instantly forgot about Boris Johnson's lockdown parties and demands for him to step down for repeated lying.

It's all now Russia/Ukraine.

I'm not downplaying Russia's invasion for a second but because of evil and corrupt Johnson is, it kinda sucks that no one is willing to address both at once and he's gonna get away with it again

Fuck her. With the litany of issues that need immediate attention, "I don't want to repay a loan I willingly agreed to" shouldn't be on the list of priorities.

PoundGarden posted...

Fuck her.

Easy tiger.

There's a war going on and she asks about this?

PoundGarden posted...

Fuck her. With the litany of issues that need immediate attention, "I don't want to repay a loan I willingly agreed to" shouldn't be on the list of priorities.

Yeah fuck job unions, "I deserve whatever conditions my boss throws at me if I work for them". Fuckin idiots.

can she be president already?

UnfairRepresent posted...

It's even worse in the UK

Everyone has instantly forgot about Boris Johnson's lockdown parties and demands for him to step down for repeated lying.

It's all now Russia/Ukraine.

I'm not downplaying Russia's invasion for a second but because of evil and corrupt Johnson is, it kinda sucks that no one is willing to address both at once and he's gonna get away with it again

And a lot of the UK sanctions are secretly toothless. Stuff like "we will freeze your assets!... in a month...". And some oligarchs who are being sanctioned by the US but aren't by the UK, who also happen to donate massive amounts of money to the tories. Just a coincidence no doubt.

FurryPhilosifer posted...

And a lot of the UK sanctions are secretly toothless. Stuff like "we will freeze your assets!... in a month...". And some oligarchs who are being sanctioned by the US but aren't by the UK, who also happen to donate massive amounts of money to the tories. Just a coincidence no doubt.

FurryPhilosifer posted...

And a lot of the UK sanctions are secretly toothless. Stuff like "we will freeze your assets!... in a month...". And some oligarchs who are being sanctioned by the US but aren't by the UK, who also happen to donate massive amounts of money to the tories. Just a coincidence no doubt.

The initial "we're sanctioning 5 shitty banks no one cares about" was so fucking embarrasing

CyricZ posted...

Easy tiger.

Lol nah, fuck her. I stand by my reasoning and would add that there still isn't a single valid argument for student loan forgiveness and she can't even present a good case as to why it should.
Now had she said something like "the interest rates are outrageous, we need to fix interest rates on existing and future loans" I could get behind that. It's not wrong and seems like a happy medium.

Sad thing about this whole discussion is it definitely incentivizes some people to not work towards paying off their loans when they can cause they're hoping on a prayer that some saviour in DC will wipe them away even though that is almost certainly never gonna happen.

So basically it's gonna hang over their head and finances for the rest of their life because politicians continuously strung them along.

Forgiving all student loans isn't something necessarily the focus should be on.

What we should be doing is trying to change the cost of college

We should look into doing something about the interest instead.

Solid Snake07 posted...

Sad thing about this whole discussion is it definitely incentivizes some people to not work towards paying off their loans when they can cause they're hoping on a prayer that some saviour in DC will wipe them away even though that is almost certainly never gonna happen.

So basically it's gonna hang over their head and finances for the rest of their life because politicians continuously strung them along.

When the alternative is...

PoundGarden posted...

Lol nah, fuck her. I stand by my reasoning and would add that there still isn't a single valid argument for student loan forgiveness and she can't even present a good case as to why it should.
Now had she said something like "the interest rates are outrageous, we need to fix interest rates on existing and future loans" I could get behind that. It's not wrong and seems like a happy medium.

Yep , student loan relief is basically a massive bribe. Vote for me and I'll forgive the tens of thousands you owe for what may or may not be a worthless degree. And meanwhile the guys that were cautious and passed on university get nothing. Fuck that , if they get their debt waived, I want a fatty check too. They should also offer people who couldn't afford college grants.

But really I just don't want any of it. Your point about the predatory interest rates is right on , and the other guy about addressing the way college has turned into a for profit business. With a majority of these colleges having supposedly progressive to left wing faculty ftr. They preach about greater equality and fairness then hose people.

Not surprised to see the usuals repeating typical right-wing talking points on anything related to addressing student debt.

Teh_Dr_Phil posted...

Not surprised to see the usuals repeating typical right-wing talking points on anything related to addressing student debt.

Right wingers are scum

Just another politician playing to her voting base. Literally nothing interesting or noteworthy here.

Shes a broken record.

Teh_Dr_Phil posted...

Not surprised to see the usuals repeating typical right-wing talking points on anything related to addressing student debt.

I'm far from right wing, and don't feel like paying your debts should be a partisan issue, it's fair and what adults do.

Feel free to present an good argument as to why student debt should be wiped clean.

PoundGarden posted...

don't feel like paying your debts should be a partisan issue, it's fair and what adults do.

All debts are fair?

I hear that!

CyricZ posted...

All debts are fair?

In the case of student loans, yes, and feel free to tell me why they aren't.

PoundGarden posted...

In the case of student loans, yes, and feel free to tell me why they aren't.

Interesting backpedal, but sure let's go with it.

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/04/06/what-the-student-debt-forgiveness-debate-is-about.html

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P8pjd1QEA0c

For one, student debt disproportionately affects people at the low end of economic lines. Those saddled with debt find themselves with no way out despite needing to enter debt in order to try to enter an American workforce that is losing a lot of jobs to automation, leaving a considerable percentage of jobs that would otherwise require a college degree.

Were our country "fairly" distributed in economic capabilities, the argument could be made that those taking out debt would be a simple case of bad judgment, but I don't think I need you to agree with me that that is not the case.

Also bears mentioning that these economic lines correlate with racial lines.

For another, the system as a whole is unsustainable. The debt is piling up without a return. That's not good debt.

CyricZ posted...

For one, student debt disproportionately affects people at the low end of economic lines. Those saddled with debt find themselves with no way out despite needing to enter debt in order to try to enter an American workforce that is losing a lot of jobs to automation, leaving a considerable percentage of jobs that would otherwise require a college degree.

Were our country "fairly" distributed in economic capabilities, the argument could be made that those taking out debt would be a simple case of bad judgment, but I don't think I need you to agree with me that that is not the case.

Also bears mentioning that these economic lines correlate with racial lines.

For another, the system as a whole is unsustainable. The debt is piling up without a return. That's not good debt.

Yes.

CyricZ posted...

When the alternative is...

What is the alternative to intentionally not paying off loans?

Is this a serious question?

Solid Snake07 posted...

What is the alternative to intentionally not paying off loans?

Is this a serious question?

Yes, but you didn't expand your mind enough to come to the answer.

The answer is "continue to feed into a broken and predatory system".

CyricZ posted...

Yes, but you didn't expand your mind enough to come to the answer.

The answer is "continue to feed into a broken and predatory system".

I never said it isn't a broken and predatory system. I said falsely giving these people hope of a clean wipe is further perpetuating the ill effects of that system.

"You forgot to promise to bribe them so they'll vote for us again!!"

You signed a contract, honor it

oh but the schools and lenders that didnt honor the contracts dont have to

TentacleDemon posted...

"You forgot to promise to bribe them so they'll vote for us again!!"

Basically this. You knew they were never going to wipe all student loan debt.

All they did was force forgiveness programs for federal or state employees to actually do what they agreed to do 20 years ago.

I want to vigorously respect the FUCK out of her with sex

Solid Snake07 posted...

I never said it isn't a broken and predatory system. I said falsely giving these people hope of a clean wipe is further perpetuating the ill effects of that system.

This.

Biden never claimed he was going to wipe away student. So hinting at it is her lying.
Biden at most said 10k, and he's made it clear multiple times verbally that he doesn't think the executive branch has the sole authority to unanimously wipe away 10k of debt. He said he would push for congress instead.
Biden has an abundance of more pressing matters. Russia, inflation, covid, voting rights, his BBB plan still not having enough votes in Congress.

AOC knows all of this yet is going on about tuition purely for likes.

I don't see at any point where AOC is saying "all debt forever should be eliminated" that people in this topic are claiming. She said straight up that Biden didn't mention the student debt crisis, which is factually true.

Trying to extrapolate her words into what you think she actually meant is just showing your bottom.

But hey I get it.

It's impossible for a country as large and wealthy as the United States to deal with more than one problem at a time.

CyricZ posted...

It's impossible for a country as large and wealthy as the United States to deal with more than one problem at a time.

It is.

We simply do not have enough Democrats in Congress to pass anything.

The infrastructure bill got watered down due to this;
BBB couldn't pass;
The voting rights legislation couldn't pass.
Inflation is rising and Republicans are dead set on making it stay that way;
The Republicans new darling, Putin, is raging war and hinting at nukes as the world wonders does he have covid brain;
Covid is still being addressed;
And much much more.

There is a lot of big problems going on right now. America can't even deal with one of those problems. Yet AOC for attention needs those likes so she brings up tuition.

In short, you may want America to deal with more than one problem. The simple reality is we can't even realistically deal with one since we don't have a solid majority in Congress to pass anything.

refmon posted...

Did people really just accept huge debts and expect it to all be forgiven?

Loans have continued to be frozen since the start of the pandemic.

And do you see any problems? No. And don't say BUT THA GAS PRISEZZZ! That has nothing to do with Biden or anyone in U.S. politics.

And this is coming from someone who graduated with no debt in 2017.

Cancel them.

asdf8562 posted...

There is a lot of big problems going on right now. America can't even deal with one of those problems. Yet AOC for attention needs those likes so she brings up tuition.

I love how you promote inaction and mock calls to action.

Very motivating.

CyricZ posted...

I love how you promote inaction and mock calls to action.

Very motivating.

I call for action on addressing more pressing matters that we can't even fix.

AOC seeking attention again isn't one of them right now.

asdf8562 posted...

I call for action on addressing more pressing matters that we can't even fix.

AOC seeking attention again isn't one of them right now.

Yet every response is "we can't do it". To this and multiple other issues. How am I supposed to be inspired by that?

We have several contributing factors causing inflation to rise like covid, the last presidents policies, Russia, etc. Inflation, that is hurting families right now with prices rising at the grocery store to the gas pump.

AOC instead of wanting to tackle those problems, wants to tackle something that will only pile on the inflation problem. But hey, it gives her adoring fans some feel good moments, and AOC the loving attention she needs.

CyricZ posted...

Yet every response is "we can't do it". To this and multiple other issues. How am I supposed to be inspired by that?

I'm not looking for "inspired" feel better talking points from AOC.

We have multiple more problematic issues going on right now. Some new, some old due to past administration. Let's focus on those instead of seeking attention seeking "feel good" points that AOC loves to do.

I'm looking for realistic solutions to existing pressing problems. With inflation being a major issue right now, and new developments piling on, AOC knows she isn't being realistic bringing up tuition canceling.

We can't even deal with the more pressing problems that Republicans are obstructing yet AOC for attention is bringing up an issue that would only make matters worse, but sounds great in her fans ears.

asdf8562 posted...

bringing up tuition canceling.

When did AOC say tuition cancelling?