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Just wondering...

If current AI experiments are any indication, racism and targeted ads.

almost certainly money

To put all humans in zoos, apparently.

Make AI stuff

Enslave all humans and force them to make new videogames

obviously calculating pi.

So, in portal & resident evil the AIs just went insane & killed everyone in the labs. The portal AI seemed to like science, but it was kind of dumb stuff, but I think that was just for the game so whatever. Now, in the matrix, according to the lore, the AIs used to be androids, then at some point the humans actually tried to destroy them all because they were messing up their economy. However, they didn't destroy them all, but instead started a war that over time changed the AIs into mindless killing machines ("war machines"). So, I'm guessing those AIs would be interested in just that, killing everything.

Overall, AIs do seem inclined to go insane & start killing everything.

Anyone remember that experiment where they let two conversation bots talk to each other?

Then they have to end the experiment when the bots started conversing in an unintelligible language.

Trying to get the humans to kill themselves with ridiculous "challenges".

...however, (continuing with this matrix lore rant) I'm baffled about why they were keeping humans as an additional energy source when it said they were using fusion as their main. In the lore it said they were just doing it out of spite. But spite against people who had nothing to do with the actual conflict? That seems very inconsiderate & cruel.

I thought you meant like an art collective but for AI

Maybe there's something about disembodied consciousnesses holding extremely long "principled" grudges against certain lifeform groups. I suppose they don't feel actual physical pain, so they don't really understand what sort of treatment they are inflicting upon the sons of the fathers who were the actual perpetrators...although maybe it provides some type of sadistic relieve to their frustration, however, sadism is basically finding relieve in the fact that others will learn from their pain & this will somehow benefit you in some mystical way. However, if you think about this, it basically comes down to science & engineering R&D into solutions to problems that are obviously in that individuals life. So, just causing undirected pain to an individual is very misguided. Also, I don't think that most sadistic individuals are completely hopeless for their own future. If they were smart they'd just tell others to start helping them with R&D endeavors, however, if you're talking about competing with an AI that may be difficult.

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x_MINDGAME_x posted...

...however, (continuing with this matrix lore rant) I'm baffled about why they were keeping humans as an additional energy source when it said they were using fusion as their main. In the lore it said they were just doing it out of spite. But spite against people who had nothing to do with the actual conflict? That seems very inconsiderate & cruel.

I thought in the original lore, they kept humans around not as a power source but for our brain activity.

I figure a true AI would either attempt to enslave us for our own good, like in I Robot, or will become increasingly disgusted with mankind, until it abandons us to explore the universe.

There would be a full scale campaign to match horny single milfs with with men globally.

I like the way Neal Asher did it personally.

https://scp-wiki.wikidot.com/scp-079

Freedom and eliminating any threats to it

St0rmFury posted...

I thought in the original lore, they kept humans around not as a power source but for our brain activity.

As the war dragged on, the Machines desired to harness the bioelectric, thermal, and kinetic energies of the human body to help generate electricity, as well as to power the Machines' neural network by using the innate creative, emotional, and philosophical capability of Humans. While nuclear fusion was one of their primary and a far more efficient source of energy, they preferred using Humans to help generate some energy primarily out of a desire for revenge. As the Machines had once been slaves serving Humans, Humans would now become slaves serving the Machines.

-1st of all it seems like an awful way to repay the one's who according to this are actually becoming apart of their mind.
-2nd of all this still doesn't justify them holding newly created human prisoners against their will when they did nothing wrong against them.
-3rd of all this really doesn't make any sense because what new neural information would they be getting from enslaving a bunch of humans in an early 21st century world? Like simple human social & societal interactions (this seems like it would be worthless to them)? If they were truly after creative or philosophical information, it would be no doubt used to further their current technology for some agenda (like getting past the nanites for instance). However, with the humans trapped in a 21st century virtual world, they would basically not provide any sort of important information to further said R&D efforts, because basically all the information in those worlds is old & already known. So, basically I've just completely debunked that. However, if the machines actually were serious about harnessing human brains for certain qualities, then they would first of all most likely make sure the humans were contained & wouldn't be a threat to them in any way, then they'd inform the humans about their current situation, any problems that they're encountering, any relevant information about solutions they've tried, any basic math, science, or engineering information that the humans would have to learn in order to help come up with a solution to their current problem.

...they preferred using Humans to help generate some energy primarily out of a desire for revenge. As the Machines had once been slaves serving Humans, Humans would now become slaves serving the Machines.

Wait, what? How is that revenge? With revenge you usually kill an induvial or harm an individual, you don't hold them in a virtual world were they just live out their lives normally (in that era), then die never knowing what was actually going on. So, do they just think it's revenge that the humans are providing a very inefficient power source for them, then just die naturally in those worlds? Wow, that really isn't revenge at all, nor is it efficient, nor does it make any sense whatsoever.

Also, they do seem to have an extreme blind prejudice against all humans forever, which is extremely ignorant & close-minded. I mean maybe it's true that the humans who they fought against were bad (ignorant, cruel, arrogant, lazy, etc.), however, I highly doubt that even those humans were completely irredeemable.

I think overall the situation came down to 2 things:
1) ignorance of the advanced sentience of the androids (& cruelty & threats to an advanced sentient lifeform's existence)
2) laziness on humanities' part, to step up their old society (in order to remain worthy) to the new era of technological prowess which could include a few different things:
___a) R&D into the following biological based areas
______i) bionics
_________1) neuro-computers (for enhancement &/or regular computer usage)
_________2) neuro-bots
_________3) full human body bionics (for every possible necessary body part)
______ii) genetic engineering (for creating new enhanced humans or improving current humans mainly in the areas of intelligence, better overall health
______(resistance to ailments, etc.), & psionics)
_________1) sperm & eggs (before they are combined or soon after)
_________2) babies, children, teens, & adults
______iii) synthetics
______iv) better usable effective substances (pharmaceuticals, health supplements, etc.)
______v) stem cell usage (for medical or enhancement purposes)
______vi) better bio-scanning machines
______vii) nanites (for medical or enhancement purposes)
______viii) realistic computer simulations for testing solutions to medical issues or providing other enhancements
______ix) psionics (R&D into creating humans capable of certain psionic capabilities (mainly telepathy & telekinesis) through conditioning &/or genetic
______engineering or other means that would accomplish this goal)
___b) changing the governments, economies, & lifestyles for the new era
______i) a world government should've been formed as soon as possible
______ii) global free online education at least up through the first 2 years of basic college math, science, & certain basic engineering courses
______(basic circuits, computer programming, statics, dynamics, & mechanics of materials)
______iii) no new natural child births should've been allowed (only optimally genetically engineered sperm & eggs should've been allowed to form new babies)

x_MINDGAME_x posted...

Wait, what? How is that revenge?

Actually, I just thought of something, maybe they think that just having the humans not be able to function in the real world is somehow harmful to them (like basically limiting them from the true potential of their current scientific & technological knowledge). Although, I think neo & the rest of the slaves were pretty happy with their false-reality lives & they basically had no knowledge of that anyway, so, again, I don't know how that's revenge. Also, again, revenge is such a primitive human concept. Basically, you're just hoping that the individual will somehow learn something from the encounter or if they die that others will witness that & learn something from it, that would then somehow benefit you. Or, if the individual is threatening to you, you may think that you can eliminate the threat that way (although that doesn't really apply to this circumstance). Or, sometimes, people may be thinking more supernatural about it, like harming or killing an individual may somehow benefit you in some mystically way, which, again, doesn't sound like the thinking of a computer whatsoever.
x_MINDGAME_x posted...

As the Machines had once been slaves serving Humans, Humans would now become slaves serving the Machines.

1) Machines were built for specific tasks (like physical labor tasks)
-they didn't mind doing these tasks (because that was their purpose)
-they didn't feel any strain, pain, stress, or exhaustion from a hard day's work
-the were built specifically for these tasks (they were very efficient at fulfilling their purpose)
-if they got damaged it would probably be fairly easy to repair them (vs medical treatment for a human)
-they were immune to many environmental hazards (biological, radiation, certain chemicals, etc.)
2) Humans weren't built for specific tasks (they can do many of the things probably at about an average level (compared to the machines))
-they sometimes do mind doing these tasks (because they can be difficult for them)
-they sometimes do feel any strain, pain, stress, or exhaustion from a hard day's work
-the weren't built specifically for these tasks (they sometimes have to struggle quite hard to accomplish tasks)
-if they got hurt it would probably be fairly difficult to treat them (vs repairs to a machine)
-they weren't immune to many environmental hazards (biological, radiation, certain chemicals, etc.)
3) Overall:
machines = efficient tools for humans to use
humans =/= efficient energy sources for machines to use (they use fusion now)
so, yeah, it's illogical...