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0x4B616E6A6F 02/16/22 6:42:31 PM #1:	Nothing tops the Materia system and the amount of craziness you can create with it <cite>0x4B616E6A6F posted [p:962709468] in FF7 object... [t:79902207]...</cite> <quote>Nothing tops the Materia system and the amount of craziness you can create with it </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Doe 02/16/22 6:43:30 PM #2:	lol --- https://i.imgur.com/u5kY6Yt.gif https://i.imgur.com/V6HBhkR.png <cite>Doe posted [p:962709495] in FF7 object... [t:79902207]...</cite> <quote>lol </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MarthGoomba 02/16/22 6:44:32 PM #3:	Atelier is better --- https://i.imgur.com/m6Rgs8D.jpg https://i.imgur.com/qUMZhdW.jpg https://i.imgur.com/LACtH6q.jpg <cite>MarthGoomba posted [p:962709528] in FF7 object... [t:79902207]...</cite> <quote>Atelier is better</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LordMarshal 02/16/22 6:52:26 PM #4:	Do you mean the original? Cause you cant do anything interesting with it unit the very very end of the game so the systems shit. --- There can be only one. <cite>LordMarshal posted [p:962709776] in FF7 object... [t:79902207]...</cite> <quote>Do you mean the original? Cause you cant do anything interesting with it unit the very very end of the game so the systems shit. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Smackems 02/16/22 6:53:41 PM #5:	Trails got really good at it --- Common sense said you can common my sense, ifyaknowwhatimeanwinkwink -smackems- some dudette named JimCarrysToe <cite>Smackems posted [p:962709809] in FF7 object... [t:79902207]...</cite> <quote>Trails got really good at it </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
s0nicfan 02/16/22 6:53:45 PM #6:	https://elderscrolls.fandom.com/wiki/Spellmaking_(Morrowind) --- "History Is Much Like An Endless Waltz. The Three Beats Of War, Peace And Revolution Continue On Forever." - Gundam Wing: Endless Waltz <cite>s0nicfan posted [p:962709811] in FF7 object... [t:79902207]...</cite> <quote>https://elderscrolls.fandom.com/wiki/Spellmaking_(Morrowind) </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Machete 02/16/22 6:54:41 PM #7:	Doe posted... lol this. I hated the materia system --- I do not receive notifications, so using the @ feature will not do anything. I might see your post and respond though if I have already been in the topic. <cite>Machete posted [p:962709835] in FF7 object... [t:79902207]...</cite> <quote>Doe posted... </cite> <quote>lol</quote> this. I hated the materia system </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
WizardPowers 02/16/22 6:59:17 PM #8:	I just didn't like how certain weapons became unusable because they had bad slot configurations --- http://i.imgur.com/FS3aeNW.png http://i.imgur.com/Hy9IDHK.gif <cite>WizardPowers posted [p:962709929] in FF7 object... [t:79902207]...</cite> <quote>I just didn't like how certain weapons became unusable because they had bad slot configurations </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LordMarshal 02/16/22 7:00:29 PM #9:	Oh i can die and cast a spell that revives me and my whole party? Thats dumb af. --- There can be only one. <cite>LordMarshal posted [p:962709955] in FF7 object... [t:79902207]...</cite> <quote>Oh i can die and cast a spell that revives me and my whole party? Thats dumb af. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Prismsblade 02/16/22 7:54:14 PM #10:	It had potential but both it and the remake screwed them up. Materia slots and leveling said materia are counterintuitive. As you're want to equip as many of them as possible for as long as possible forcing you to choose regularly between stats and slots constantly. To which the remake made even worse. Especially since it's hard to tell just what kind of spell you're need oftentimes, so you're forced to use scan often which really should have been a costless base ability for everyone. --- 3DS FC:3368-5403-9633 Name: Kaizer PSN: Blackkaizer <cite>Prismsblade posted [p:962711152] in FF7 object... [t:79902207]...</cite> <quote>It had potential but both it and the remake screwed them up. Materia slots and leveling said materia are counterintuitive. As you're want to equip as many of them as possible for as long as possible forcing you to choose regularly between stats and slots constantly. To which the remake made even worse. Especially since it's hard to tell just what kind of spell you're need oftentimes, so you're forced to use scan often which really should have been a costless base ability for everyone. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ShineboxPhil 02/16/22 8:02:58 PM #11:	For how polarising ffviii was, the gf system was interesting. You could break the game so easily. --- https://imgur.com/gallery/SGyTfGm https://imgur.com/gallery/9mJroQV <cite>ShineboxPhil posted [p:962711370] in FF7 object... [t:79902207]...</cite> <quote>For how polarising ffviii was, the gf system was interesting. You could break the game so easily. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tyranthraxus 02/16/22 8:05:03 PM #12:	0x4B616E6A6F posted... Nothing tops the Materia system and the amount of craziness you can create with it I see you haven't played Final Fantasy Tactics --- It says right here in Matthew 16:4 "Jesus doth not need a giant Mecha." https://i.imgur.com/dQgC4kv.jpg <cite>Tyranthraxus posted [p:962711421] in FF7 object... [t:79902207]...</cite> <quote>0x4B616E6A6F posted... </cite> <quote>Nothing tops the Materia system and the amount of craziness you can create with it</quote> I see you haven't played Final Fantasy Tactics </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
PMarth2002 02/16/22 8:15:47 PM #13:	Nah, FFT's job system is better. --- They have taken untold millions that they never toiled to earn But without our brain and muscle not a single wheel can turn <cite>PMarth2002 posted [p:962711688] in FF7 object... [t:79902207]...</cite> <quote>Nah, FFT's job system is better. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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0x4B616E6A6F 02/16/22 8:16:54 PM #15:	Tyranthraxus posted... I see you haven't played Final Fantasy Tactics I have. It gets boring after the first four hours <cite>0x4B616E6A6F posted [p:962711724] in FF7 object... [t:79902207]...</cite> <quote>Tyranthraxus posted... </cite> <quote>I see you haven't played Final Fantasy Tactics</quote> I have. It gets boring after the first four hours </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Fluttershy 02/16/22 8:18:34 PM #16:	i think all the brokenness in ff2, 7, 8, tactics speaks for their possibility space. but i'm going to throw out mystic quest as one i think has potential too. it's ahead of its time in a lot of ways -- no random encounters and no game overs. i think they whiffed on realizing that the player could have more influence on turn order if they just made axes carry a huge speed penalty. i really want to get ahold of an ffmq hackster. assuming anyone knows what ffhackster is on CE. --- https://i.imgur.com/CnmWjgd.gif <cite>Fluttershy posted [p:962711779] in FF7 object... [t:79902207]...</cite> <quote>i think all the brokenness in ff2, 7, 8, tactics speaks for their possibility space. but i'm going to throw out mystic quest as one i think has potential too. it's ahead of its time in a lot of ways -- no random encounters and no game overs. i think they whiffed on realizing that the player could have more influence on turn order if they just made axes carry a huge speed penalty. i really want to get ahold of an ffmq hackster. assuming anyone knows what ffhackster is on CE. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kisai 02/16/22 8:19:06 PM #17:	LordMarshal posted... Oh i can die and cast a spell that revives me and my whole party? Thats awesome af. --- WHO MODS THE MODERATORS? <cite>Kisai posted [p:962711789] in FF7 object... [t:79902207]...</cite> <quote>LordMarshal posted... </cite> <quote>Oh i can die and cast a spell that revives me and my whole party? Thats awesome af.</quote> </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
atmasabr 02/16/22 8:22:27 PM #18:	I'm not a fan of the materia system. It wasn't that tough, I'll grant. But I don't like making everyone carbon copies of each other but for Hit Points and (maybe) Attack Power. --- So much of the tragedy in human history can be explained by man's attempts to kill Cain. <cite>atmasabr posted [p:962711859] in FF7 object... [t:79902207]...</cite> <quote>I'm not a fan of the materia system. It wasn't that tough, I'll grant. But I don't like making everyone carbon copies of each other but for Hit Points and (maybe) Attack Power. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kim_Seong-a 02/16/22 8:26:46 PM #19:	I mean I like it, but functionally it's just equippable spells. The stat buffs/penalties never even feel significant. You can load Cloud with magic materia and still cleave through trash mobs. >_> I prefer the job systems in the games that use them. Tend to offer comparable customization to materia, but their stat distribution makes party-building more interesting imo. Everyone in 7 just feels like Red Mages, but without any of the drawbacks that balance their versatility. --- https://imgur.com/dAri4ON <cite>Kim_Seong-a posted [p:962711984] in FF7 object... [t:79902207]...</cite> <quote>I mean I like it, but functionally it's just equippable spells. The stat buffs/penalties never even feel significant. You can load Cloud with magic materia and still cleave through trash mobs. >_> I prefer the job systems in the games that use them. Tend to offer comparable customization to materia, but their stat distribution makes party-building more interesting imo. Everyone in 7 just feels like Red Mages, but without any of the drawbacks that balance their versatility. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Robot2600 02/16/22 9:04:45 PM #20:	ShineboxPhil posted... For how polarising ffviii was, the junction system was interesting. You could break the game so easily despite being low levelled. In fact, it was better to stay at a lower level because of the level scaling. scaling only effected hp so it was fine to grind to 100 asap --- ( o _o) <cite>Robot2600 posted [p:962712915] in FF7 object... [t:79902207]...</cite> <quote>ShineboxPhil posted... </cite> <quote>For how polarising ffviii was, the junction system was interesting. You could break the game so easily despite being low levelled. In fact, it was better to stay at a lower level because of the level scaling.</quote> scaling only effected hp so it was fine to grind to 100 asap </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tyranthraxus 02/16/22 9:06:05 PM #21:	Robot2600 posted... scaling only effected hp so it was fine to grind to 100 asap Monsters all had max levels. Only the monsters on isle closest to hell / heaven could actually reach level 100 and they were always level 100 regardless of your level. --- It says right here in Matthew 16:4 "Jesus doth not need a giant Mecha." https://i.imgur.com/dQgC4kv.jpg <cite>Tyranthraxus posted [p:962712950] in FF7 object... [t:79902207]...</cite> <quote>Robot2600 posted... </cite> <quote>scaling only effected hp so it was fine to grind to 100 asap</quote> Monsters all had max levels. Only the monsters on isle closest to hell / heaven could actually reach level 100 and they were always level 100 regardless of your level. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Bad_Mojo 02/16/22 9:07:42 PM #22:	LordMarshal posted... Do you mean the original? Cause you cant do anything interesting with it unit the very very end of the game so the systems shit. Yes you can. You can do great things with it early. --- https://i.imgtc.com/hQ5SuG6.gif https://i.imgtc.com/QrhAq36.gif https://i.imgtc.com/Yjov9DU.gif <cite>Bad_Mojo posted [p:962712991] in FF7 object... [t:79902207]...</cite> <quote>LordMarshal posted... </cite> <quote>Do you mean the original? Cause you cant do anything interesting with it unit the very very end of the game so the systems shit.</quote> Yes you can. You can do great things with it early. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Fluttershy 02/16/22 9:09:08 PM #23:	you can game an elemental materia really early on and you can be screwing around with that before you're done with the midgar escape sequence. --- https://i.imgur.com/CnmWjgd.gif <cite>Fluttershy posted [p:962713024] in FF7 object... [t:79902207]...</cite> <quote>you can game an elemental materia really early on and you can be screwing around with that before you're done with the midgar escape sequence. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Sheiky-Baby 02/17/22 7:38:57 AM #25:	I'm one of those odd people that enjoyed FFVIII's materia system. Never really messed with FFVII's though. --- That wasn't a lobster that poisoned you, you swallowed your own venom. <cite>Sheiky-Baby posted [p:962722341] in FF7 object... [t:79902207]...</cite> <quote>I'm one of those odd people that enjoyed FFVIII's materia system. Never really messed with FFVII's though. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LordMarshal 02/17/22 7:48:33 AM #26:	Again listing most cool stuff thats at least mid game. And if you want to break the game just get Beta and nuke everything.... --- There can be only one. <cite>LordMarshal posted [p:962722441] in FF7 object... [t:79902207]...</cite> <quote>Again listing most cool stuff thats at least mid game. And if you want to break the game just get Beta and nuke everything.... </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LordMarshal 02/17/22 7:50:20 AM #27:	Bad_Mojo posted... Yes you can. You can do great things with it early. Everything listed is basic af. No you cant. --- There can be only one. <cite>LordMarshal posted [p:962722461] in FF7 object... [t:79902207]...</cite> <quote>Bad_Mojo posted... </cite> <quote>Yes you can. You can do great things with it early.</quote> Everything listed is basic af. No you cant. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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LordMarshal 02/17/22 7:51:23 AM #29:	[LFAQs-redacted-quote] Very basic af shit..... --- There can be only one. <cite>LordMarshal posted [p:962722472] in FF7 object... [t:79902207]...</cite> <quote><cite>[LFAQs-redacted-quote]</cite> Very basic af shit..... </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Guide 02/17/22 7:53:29 AM #30:	Materia has such potential for really cool shit, and yet it hasn't really been revisited and refined. Maybe that's next phase of the indie retro wave. 32bit has been covered, now it's time for 5th gen. --- evening main 2.4356848e+91 https://youtu.be/Acn5IptKWQU <cite>Guide posted [p:962722505] in FF7 object... [t:79902207]...</cite> <quote>Materia has such potential for really cool shit, and yet it hasn't really been revisited and refined. Maybe that's next phase of the indie retro wave. 32bit has been covered, now it's time for 5th gen. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kloe_Rinz 02/17/22 7:54:34 AM #31:	ff7s system is good but theres far more refined systems since its release <cite>Kloe_Rinz posted [p:962722522] in FF7 object... [t:79902207]...</cite> <quote>ff7s system is good but theres far more refined systems since its release </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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LordMarshal 02/17/22 7:56:52 AM #33:	Chrono triggers double and triple techs had so much potential yet still no one gave af and CT doesnt really do too much with em either.... --- There can be only one. <cite>LordMarshal posted [p:962722556] in FF7 object... [t:79902207]...</cite> <quote>Chrono triggers double and triple techs had so much potential yet still no one gave af and CT doesnt really do too much with em either.... </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tyranthraxus 02/17/22 8:00:36 AM #34:	LordMarshal posted... Chrono triggers double and triple techs had so much potential yet still no one gave af and CT doesnt really do too much with em either.... FF4:TAY improved on the concept quite a lot. It's possible to hit up to 90,000 damage with them making them actually worth using. --- It says right here in Matthew 16:4 "Jesus doth not need a giant Mecha." https://i.imgur.com/dQgC4kv.jpg <cite>Tyranthraxus posted [p:962722615] in FF7 object... [t:79902207]...</cite> <quote>LordMarshal posted... </cite> <quote>Chrono triggers double and triple techs had so much potential yet still no one gave af and CT doesnt really do too much with em either....</quote> FF4:TAY improved on the concept quite a lot. It's possible to hit up to 90,000 damage with them making them actually worth using. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Guide 02/17/22 8:02:05 AM #35:	LordMarshal posted... Chrono triggers double and triple techs had so much potential yet still no one gave af and CT doesnt really do too much with em either.... This is one of the major reasons the game felt like such a letdown for me. Consideration of direction and aim, cool!-oh wait all these full aoe spell/vastly more powerful single techs made that totally irrelevant --- evening main 2.4356848e+91 https://youtu.be/Acn5IptKWQU <cite>Guide posted [p:962722639] in FF7 object... [t:79902207]...</cite> <quote>LordMarshal posted... </cite> <quote>Chrono triggers double and triple techs had so much potential yet still no one gave af and CT doesnt really do too much with em either....</quote>This is one of the major reasons the game felt like such a letdown for me. Consideration of direction and aim, cool!-oh wait all these full aoe spell/vastly more powerful single techs made that totally irrelevant </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LordMarshal 02/17/22 8:02:07 AM #36:	Tyranthraxus posted... FF4:TAY improved on the concept quite a lot. It's possible to hit up to 90,000 damage with them making them actually worth using. I do need to play that eventually. My backlogs a vicious beast..... --- There can be only one. <cite>LordMarshal posted [p:962722641] in FF7 object... [t:79902207]...</cite> <quote>Tyranthraxus posted... </cite> <quote>FF4:TAY improved on the concept quite a lot. It's possible to hit up to 90,000 damage with them making them actually worth using.</quote> I do need to play that eventually. My backlogs a vicious beast..... </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LordMarshal 02/17/22 8:05:07 AM #37:	Guide posted... This is one of the major reasons the game felt like such a letdown for me. Consideration of direction and aim, cool!-oh wait all these full aoe spell/vastly more powerful single techs made that totally irrelevant Tell me, random user!: Why didnt they just make some doubles and triples with final techs!? (Dont say frog flare!) Rant: Why doesnt Marle have a group heal, group haste or an Ice 3 type spell!? --- There can be only one. <cite>LordMarshal posted [p:962722682] in FF7 object... [t:79902207]...</cite> <quote>Guide posted... </cite> <quote>This is one of the major reasons the game felt like such a letdown for me. Consideration of direction and aim, cool!-oh wait all these full aoe spell/vastly more powerful single techs made that totally irrelevant</quote> Tell me, random user!: Why didnt they just make some doubles and triples with final techs!? (Dont say frog flare!) Rant: Why doesnt Marle have a group heal, group haste or an Ice 3 type spell!? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Ricemills 02/17/22 8:08:05 AM #38:	LordMarshal posted... Chrono triggers double and triple techs had so much potential yet still no one gave af and CT doesnt really do too much with em either.... double techs are just standard combination attacks, you can find things like it in many games. Suikoden has shitload of these. --- You have the right to remain silent. Anything you posted will be misquoted, then be used against you. http://error1355.com/ce/Ricemills.html <cite>Ricemills posted [p:962722734] in FF7 object... [t:79902207]...</cite> <quote>LordMarshal posted... </cite> <quote>Chrono triggers double and triple techs had so much potential yet still no one gave af and CT doesnt really do too much with em either....</quote> double techs are just standard combination attacks, you can find things like it in many games. Suikoden has shitload of these. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tyranthraxus 02/17/22 8:13:30 AM #39:	LordMarshal posted... Tell me, random user!: Why didnt they just make some doubles and triples with final techs!? (Dont say frog flare!) Rant: Why doesnt Marle have a group heal, group haste or an Ice 3 type spell!? I always thought it was stupid that there was no level 3 ice attack in the game. And why do they even have a shadow element just for one fucking spell. --- It says right here in Matthew 16:4 "Jesus doth not need a giant Mecha." https://i.imgur.com/dQgC4kv.jpg <cite>Tyranthraxus posted [p:962722804] in FF7 object... [t:79902207]...</cite> <quote>LordMarshal posted... </cite> <quote>Tell me, random user!: Why didnt they just make some doubles and triples with final techs!? (Dont say frog flare!) Rant: Why doesnt Marle have a group heal, group haste or an Ice 3 type spell!?</quote> I always thought it was stupid that there was no level 3 ice attack in the game. And why do they even have a shadow element just for one fucking spell. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
darkmaian23 02/17/22 8:33:23 AM #40:	Tyranthraxus posted... I always thought it was stupid that there was no level 3 ice attack in the game. And why do they even have a shadow element just for one fucking spell. Given the weird box art and some of the wonkiness of the magic system in CT, I always thought it was the last thing to be finished and maybe was a bit rushed. <cite>darkmaian23 posted [p:962723122] in FF7 object... [t:79902207]...</cite> <quote>Tyranthraxus posted... </cite> <quote>I always thought it was stupid that there was no level 3 ice attack in the game. And why do they even have a shadow element just for one fucking spell.</quote>Given the weird box art and some of the wonkiness of the magic system in CT, I always thought it was the last thing to be finished and maybe was a bit rushed. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kim_Seong-a 02/17/22 10:12:13 PM #41:	Tbh Marle/Lucca's Antipode spells tend to be pretty good for when you get them. And Crono/Ayala's Eagle Hit is great for grinding in the Ocean Palace >_> Most of the triple techs aren't that great, though if you grinded for Delta Attack it's pretty helpful against Giga Gaia But considering how easy CT is, it's all just flavor anyways. Even if dropping a giant burning hypno toad on the field is sub-optimal, I'm still going to do it lmao --- https://imgur.com/dAri4ON <cite>Kim_Seong-a posted [p:962743666] in FF7 object... [t:79902207]...</cite> <quote>Tbh Marle/Lucca's Antipode spells tend to be pretty good for when you get them. And Crono/Ayala's Eagle Hit is great for grinding in the Ocean Palace >_> Most of the triple techs aren't that great, though if you grinded for Delta Attack it's pretty helpful against Giga Gaia But considering how easy CT is, it's all just flavor anyways. Even if dropping a giant burning hypno toad on the field is sub-optimal, I'm still going to do it lmao </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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