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cjsdowg
02/14/22 6:17:03 PM
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https://twitter.com/alexanderbolton/status/1493342904764579846

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Delirious_Beard
02/14/22 6:17:28 PM
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this guy kinda sucks

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AwesomeFawful
02/14/22 6:18:36 PM
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How did this fucker get elected again?

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kyujo
02/14/22 6:21:45 PM
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Delirious_Beard posted...
this guy kinda sucks


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pogo_rabid
02/14/22 6:23:00 PM
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AwesomeFawful posted...
How did this fucker get elected again?
He's in an extremely red state. Would you like a bad democrat, or a super red republican in the seat?

If he gets out of office, there is a zero chance a democrat will replace him if he's voted out, a trumper will replace him.

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EmbraceOfDeath
02/14/22 6:24:26 PM
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pogo_rabid posted...
He's in an extremely red state. Would you like a bad democrat, or a super red republican in the seat?
In terms of what he has been doing, it's the same either way.

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Irony
02/14/22 6:25:45 PM
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pogo_rabid posted...
He's in an extremely red state. Would you like a bad democrat, or a super red republican in the seat?

If he gets out of office, there is a zero chance a democrat will replace him if he's voted out, a trumper will replace him.
Rather have a Republican

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Kombucha
02/14/22 6:25:56 PM
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Hopefully he says one thing and does the other like a good politician.

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Unsugarized_Foo
02/14/22 6:27:21 PM
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Nice, integrity

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pogo_rabid
02/14/22 6:27:28 PM
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EmbraceOfDeath posted...
In terms of what he has been doing, it's the same either way.
False....big false.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/0/5/6/AAd2inAAC7RQ.png

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/biden-congress-votes/joe-manchin/

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SweetieBeIle462
02/14/22 6:27:36 PM
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This is the right thing to do though.

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Fam_Fam
02/14/22 6:29:16 PM
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SweetieBeIle462 posted...
This is the right thing to do though.

why?

the president has the responsibility of putting forth nominees, congress has the responsibility of approving them
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Sczoyd
02/14/22 6:29:55 PM
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Why tf wouldn't you confirm a Supreme Court justice, so Republicans can stall it for two years if they get the majority? This is ridiculous

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Compsognathus
02/14/22 6:30:32 PM
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Absolutely human waste stuffed in a person-shaped condom.

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Tmaster148
02/14/22 6:30:42 PM
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So if democrat is president, we shouldn't fill the vacancy before the election.

But if it's a republican, we should rush unqualified candidates through before the election.

I guess that's the standard we're setting.

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Southernfatman
02/14/22 6:32:47 PM
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It's sad that many Democrats and liberals still think he's on their side yet he continues to do stuff like this. Dumbasses.

Keep going for that football Charlie Brown.

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CrimsonAngel
02/14/22 6:38:15 PM
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Tmaster148 posted...
So if democrat is president, we shouldn't fill the vacancy before the election.

But if it's a republican, we should rush unqualified candidates through before the election.

I guess that's the standard we're setting.
I mean dude is a Republican

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ZMythos
02/14/22 6:38:43 PM
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Can't vote until 2023 because that's when we'll know the majority.

Can't vote until 2025 because that's when we'll know the president.

Can't vote until 2027 because that's when we'll know the majority.

Can't vote until 2029 because..... etc

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furb
02/14/22 6:39:51 PM
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AwesomeFawful posted...
How did this fucker get elected again?

Short story version, WV is currently dominated by Republicans at all levels of government. Manchin is a hold-over from the state's previous history as a labor democrat stronghold. He remains in his seat due to historical popularity (he was a well liked governor), his name recognition (from a politically powerful family), strong political ground game, and he holds some conservative opinions.

Otherwise, you would end up with somebody drastically more conservative. Look up the guy that ran against him last time, he's the state AG for instance.

I'm not voicing support or condemning him. I grew up in the state and I study the American government for a living. Some might quibble at the edges at my assessment but basically right.

For reference, look at the 1980 presidential election and how WV went.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1980_United_States_presidential_election

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Solar_Crimson
02/14/22 6:43:23 PM
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DINOsaur

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furb
02/14/22 6:45:21 PM
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Tmaster148 posted...
So if democrat is president, we shouldn't fill the vacancy before the election.

But if it's a republican, we should rush unqualified candidates through before the election.

I guess that's the standard we're setting.


Not quite accurate.

The argument is, and there is history behind it. No supreme court justices have been confirmed (or virtually none) when the president is a different party than the controlling party in the Senate in the final two years of the president's term.

It's not a law but a sort of tradition.

Republicans controlled Senate after Scalia died. No hearings for Obama's nominee.
Kavanaugh and Barret came in the last two years of Trump's admin, but Republicans controlled the executive and senate.

I know its minuatia and I am not saying it is the transcendentally "right" thing. I just want to properly contextualize the situation.

*edit

Yeah I misread what he said. He's saying even before the midterms. disregard my take.

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Gobstoppers12
02/14/22 7:05:38 PM
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Compsognathus posted...
Absolutely human waste stuffed in a person-shaped condom.
Those are pretty strong words just because a duly elected senator has a different political opinion from yours.

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RenescoStCewl
02/14/22 7:09:24 PM
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I called this shit the moment I heard a spot was coming open.

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Guide
02/14/22 7:11:43 PM
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Im not going to be hypocrital on that, he says.

Could he be any more of a hypocrite if he tried?

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Guide
02/14/22 7:13:10 PM
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Gobstoppers12 posted...
Those are pretty strong words just because a duly elected senator has a different political opinion from yours.

You know, the opinion thing is just way overdone. What is the thought process and conclusion in itself? That's important, not merely that a thought process was had.

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RchHomieQuanChi
02/14/22 7:13:27 PM
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Fuck, our country is so shit

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kingdrake2
02/14/22 7:15:10 PM
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Sczoyd posted...
Why tf wouldn't you confirm a Supreme Court justice, so Republicans can stall it for two years if they get the majority? This is ridiculous


it was BS. Moscow mitch didn't have a problem with getting a supreme court justice vacancy filled in an election year while republican's had the helm.

this is one thing manwich shouldn't have the say over. he already killed build back better.

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Sayoria
02/14/22 7:15:53 PM
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Fuck it, us blue states should just secede and let these red states manage themselves into the ground. Fuck man, it really sucks when my state, which is generally progressive, is held back and pays more into the federal government when we can't get what we want out of this government. Just..... forget it. I'm done with these rat bastards.

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AngelicRadiance
02/14/22 7:16:34 PM
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Sczoyd posted...
Why tf wouldn't you confirm a Supreme Court justice, so Republicans can stall it for two years if they get the majority? This is ridiculous
Because he gets lots of money not to do so, the same as Sinema

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TheOnionKnight
02/14/22 7:16:44 PM
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I am so beyond exhausted with this bullshit.

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ScazarMeltex
02/14/22 7:16:58 PM
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Oh fuck this guy.

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Gobstoppers12
02/14/22 7:17:51 PM
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Guide posted...


You know, the opinion thing is just way overdone. What is the thought process and conclusion in itself? That's important, not merely that a thought process was had.
I think it's too much of a Pandora's Box situation if we start opening doors on how to justify intense abuse and/or violence based on political disagreements. You don't have to like somebody's opinion, but there's really no purpose behind vitriolic statements designed only to be as offensive and dehumanizing as possible toward somebody who disagrees with you politically.

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RchHomieQuanChi
02/14/22 7:19:46 PM
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Gobstoppers12 posted...
I think it's too much of a Pandora's Box situation if we start opening doors on how to justify intense abuse and/or violence based on political disagreements. You don't have to like somebody's opinion, but there's really no purpose behind vitriolic statements designed only to be as offensive and dehumanizing as possible toward somebody who disagrees with you politically.

Yeah no, refusing to remove power from literal fascists goes beyond the realms of just opinion. Miss me with the moderate bullshit.

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RenescoStCewl
02/14/22 7:19:58 PM
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https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/594196-manchin-would-oppose-on-second-supreme-court-nominee-right-before-midterms?amp

He backed off this. He said only if it's like 2 weeks before the election he would want to wait.

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Gobstoppers12
02/14/22 7:34:57 PM
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RchHomieQuanChi posted...


Yeah no, refusing to remove power from literal fascists goes beyond the realms of just opinion. Miss me with the moderate bullshit.
Defnitely an opinion, though.

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Ruvan22
02/14/22 7:45:35 PM
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Unsugarized_Foo posted...
Nice, integrity

A) How so?
B) I'm guessing you don't feel he has integrity after the clarification?
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Rathinor
02/14/22 7:57:43 PM
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Gobstoppers12 posted...
there's really no purpose behind vitriolic statements designed only to be as offensive and dehumanizing as possible toward somebody who disagrees with you politically.
Aren't you a Trump supporter @Gobstoppers12 ?

That literally describes his rallies
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RchHomieQuanChi
02/14/22 7:58:36 PM
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Gobstoppers12 posted...
Defnitely an opinion, though.

In the same sense that white supremacy is an opinion, sure.

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Guide
02/14/22 8:01:05 PM
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Gobstoppers12 posted...
I think it's too much of a Pandora's Box situation if we start opening doors on how to justify intense abuse and/or violence based on political disagreements. You don't have to like somebody's opinion, but there's really no purpose behind vitriolic statements designed only to be as offensive and dehumanizing as possible toward somebody who disagrees with you politically.

Was the vitriolic statement not also an opinion? Unless you believe he meant it literally, which, you don't.

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Gobstoppers12
02/14/22 10:40:33 PM
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Guide posted...


Was the vitriolic statement not also an opinion? Unless you believe he meant it literally, which, you don't.
Just seems unproductive, that's all.

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Rathinor
02/14/22 10:48:55 PM
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Gobstoppers12 posted...
Just seems unproductive, that's all.
And yet... You support Donald Trump

What a hypocrite you are!
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hockeybub89
02/14/22 10:55:25 PM
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Gobstoppers12 posted...
Those are pretty strong words just because a duly elected senator has a different political opinion from yours.
The opinion of "Only Republicans should be allowed to appoint justices"

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cjsdowg
02/15/22 7:52:50 AM
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pogo_rabid posted...
False....big false.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/0/5/6/AAd2inAAC7RQ.png

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/biden-congress-votes/joe-manchin/

You know this doesn't give a clear picture because of the things that are not even brought up because people know he would vote it down.

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cjsdowg
02/15/22 7:55:09 AM
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Gobstoppers12 posted...
Those are pretty strong words just because a duly elected senator has a different political opinion from yours.

When his opinion it to stop black people from voting and giving the courts back to the Republican it is fitting .

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Sackgurl
02/15/22 7:03:55 PM
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being fair there is no 'side' on this issue so it's super easy for manchin to sound off like this.

for there to be another vacancy, clarence thomas would have to experience a sudden heart attack like tomorrow

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creativerealms
02/15/22 7:13:04 PM
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Another. There is zero chance of another spot opening up. Just focus in replacing the guy retiring.

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opopopza
02/15/22 8:23:49 PM
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furb posted...
Not quite accurate.

The argument is, and there is history behind it. No supreme court justices have been confirmed (or virtually none) when the president is a different party than the controlling party in the Senate in the final two years of the president's term.

It's not a law but a sort of tradition.

Republicans controlled Senate after Scalia died. No hearings for Obama's nominee.
Kavanaugh and Barret came in the last two years of Trump's admin, but Republicans controlled the executive and senate.

I know its minuatia and I am not saying it is the transcendentally "right" thing. I just want to properly contextualize the situation.
This didn't sound right, so I looked it up. There have been plenty of justices confirmed in the final two years by an opposing party senate.

In the past 50 years - Clarence Thomas, Anthony Kennedy, and John Paul Stevens were nominated by a Republican president and confirmed by Democrat senates in the final two years of the president's term.

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