Current Events > Does anyone else find it weird that Palestine's struggle gets so much attention

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ChainedChained
02/12/22 7:57:51 PM
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Yet the genocide of Muslim Uyghurs gets very little? Even among Muslims, they don't say squat about Uyghurs it's very bizarre to me
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Rayman2943
02/12/22 7:59:02 PM
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Its literally the exact opposite. One is justified by labeling the entire population terrorists. The other? New cold war!

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ChainedChained
02/12/22 8:00:11 PM
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Rayman2943 posted...
Its literally the exact opposite. One is justified by labeling the entire population terrorists. The other? New cold war!

How many Muslim countries have even condemned the Uyghur genocide? Hell, how many have even mentioned it at all?
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IndorilGawain
02/12/22 8:00:16 PM
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I mean the Uyghur thing is more recent and afaik the plight of the Palestinian people has only relatively recently become more of a common thought outside of the left and Palestinians. However, the left who support Palestine often also support China under some mistaken impression that it's a communist utopia.

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Rayman2943
02/12/22 8:00:51 PM
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IndorilGawain posted...
I mean the Uyghur thing is more recent and afaik the plight of the Palestinian people has only relatively recently become more of a common thought outside of the left and Palestinians. However, the left who support Palestine often also support China under some mistaken impression that it's a communist utopia.
Rebel is a right winger lol

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IndorilGawain
02/12/22 8:01:20 PM
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Rayman2943 posted...
Rebel is a right winger lol
Did you hit your head

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Rayman2943
02/12/22 8:01:58 PM
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IndorilGawain posted...
Did you hit your head
>weird strawman about the left
>not a right winger

I don't mean trump supporter. But your politics align with the mccains, cheneys, etc

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IndorilGawain
02/12/22 8:02:35 PM
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Rayman2943 posted...
>weird strawman about the left
>not a right winger

I don't mean trump supporter. But your politics align with the mccains, cheneys, etc
lmao you're a funny guy simp3/simp5

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IndorilGawain
02/12/22 8:03:09 PM
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Doubly funny because you're one of the exact people I'm talking about who supports authoritarian regimes simply because their imperialism is colored red (and they aren't even communist)

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Choco
02/12/22 8:03:48 PM
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IndorilGawain posted...
However, the left who support Palestine often also support China under some mistaken impression that it's a communist utopia.
often??
nobody does that except for a few weird creeps on the internet

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Rayman2943
02/12/22 8:04:35 PM
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IndorilGawain posted...
Doubly funny because you're one of the exact people I'm talking about who supports authoritarian regimes simply because their imperialism is colored red (and they aren't even communist)
See right winger.

> you support authoritarian regimes.

That's the kind of talking point Cheney/Mccain fans use. Its literal mccarthyism

Ready. Ccp bad, Putin bad, assad bad etc

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Rayman2943
02/12/22 8:04:52 PM
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Choco posted...
often??
nobody does that except for a few weird creeps on the internet
He's a right winger.

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IndorilGawain
02/12/22 8:05:01 PM
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Rayman2943 posted...
Ccp bad, Putin bad, assad bad etc
Correct, yes.

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IndorilGawain
02/12/22 8:05:32 PM
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It isn't right-wing to think that imperialism and genocide are bad things regardless of who's doing them. Nor is it left-wing to pretend otherwise.

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Choco
02/12/22 8:05:52 PM
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Rayman2943 posted...
He's a right winger.
bro i've never seen you post before and already find you annoying as fuck

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Rayman2943
02/12/22 8:06:01 PM
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IndorilGawain posted...
Correct, yes.
So I don't support those regimes and you just tried using the same tactics right wingers used in the 2000s(ie you support the taliban/saddam).


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IndorilGawain
02/12/22 8:06:34 PM
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Rayman2943 posted...
So I don't support those regimes
You do an awful lot of shilling for Putin and the CCP for someone who claims not to support them.

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IndorilGawain
02/12/22 8:07:14 PM
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Choco posted...
bro i've never seen you post before and already find you annoying as fuck
He randomly started following me around a few months ago crying about me and making up shit about me, when as far as I'm aware I'd literally never interacted with him prior to that. But he won't tell me who his previous accounts were so :shrug:

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Rayman2943
02/12/22 8:07:16 PM
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IndorilGawain posted...
You do an awful lot of shilling for Putin and the CCP for someone who claims not to support them.
I don't do that lmao. Putin is bad. The ccp is committing genocide.

See. God right wingers are annoying.

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IndorilGawain
02/12/22 8:07:41 PM
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Very lazy trolling.

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Rayman2943
02/12/22 8:09:20 PM
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IndorilGawain posted...
Very lazy trolling.
So why do you accuse me of supporting genocide or saying the left often supports the CCP?

You've definitely been using neocon talking points.

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kuwab0
02/12/22 8:10:28 PM
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You need to put China in the title to summon the CCP shills

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coolguyjimmy
02/12/22 8:11:23 PM
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In Xinjiang: China's Muslim Borderland, written in 2004, Bovingdon states: "In regards to Xinjiang's "contested histories" - Authorities have censored Uyghur writers and 'lavished funds' on official histories that depict Chinese territorial expansion into ethnic borderlands as 'unifications (tongyi), never as conquests (zhengfu) or annexations (tunbing)'. Yet the Uyghurs have stubbornly resisted the Chinese Community Party's ideological claims, in an enduring struggle over history that is also a battle over the future of their land and their own fate."
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Rayman2943
02/12/22 8:12:20 PM
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Like. Why do you damage the Palestinian cause by accusing their supporters of being ccp shills?

@IndorilGawain

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IndorilGawain
02/12/22 8:13:35 PM
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Rayman2943 posted...
Like. Why do you damage the Palestinian cause by accusing their supporters of being ccp shills?

@IndorilGawain
I'm specifically calling out leftists who support Palestinians but do not give that same support to oppressed peoples elsewhere, not all supporters of Palestine. Don't tag me with your bullshit.

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Antifar
02/12/22 8:13:56 PM
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More is expected of ostensibly democratic countries, in terms of responding to public and international pressure, than of China.

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TheMikh
02/12/22 8:14:33 PM
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iirc uyghur oppression in the prc began under jiang in the 90s and has been carried out pretty secretively, while the palestinians have been subjugated for around a century with far less secrecy with respect to the details, perhaps due to less intense censorship and surveillance with respect to those in the latter situation

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Rayman2943
02/12/22 8:16:58 PM
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IndorilGawain posted...
I'm specifically calling out leftists who support Palestinians but do not give that same support to oppressed peoples elsewhere, not all supporters of Palestine. Don't tag me with your bullshit.
Bullshit.

IndorilGawain posted...
However, the left who support Palestine often also support China under some mistaken impression that it's a communist utopia.
"Often"

Lemme guess. You think Bill Kristol is a good guy. Or David Frum is a swell dude.

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COVxy
02/12/22 8:19:47 PM
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Don't know why anyone would respond to the incel that regularly posts about barely legal teens who is obsessed with the israel palestine conflict.

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Rayman2943
02/12/22 8:21:22 PM
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COVxy posted...
Don't know why anyone would respond to the incel that regularly posts about barely legal teens who is obsessed with the israel palestine conflict.

Hey covxy remember what you said about the AP building in Gaza or your comments here

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/400-current-events/79893469

Only guy in the entire topic supporting musk

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BlackOmnimon
02/12/22 8:21:30 PM
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Hmm, I wonder why might that be...

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IndorilGawain
02/12/22 8:21:47 PM
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BlackOmnimon posted...
Hmm, I wonder why might that be...
Go on LNSS. Tell us. Get this account put into purgatory like your main.

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Cheater87
02/12/22 8:22:29 PM
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No, most of it is not talked about.

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BlackOmnimon
02/12/22 8:24:45 PM
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IndorilGawain posted...
Go on LNSS. Tell us. Get this account put into purgatory like your main.

Who? And who are you?

And I don't know, it's weird just as OP said. Maybe it will remain a mystery forever.

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NightingaleMD
02/12/22 8:25:50 PM
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No one wants to pick a fight with China. The allegations are horrific, especially if you review the sudden increase in availability of organs for organ transplant that magically appeared within the last few decades.

Many reasons to give it more attention. Yet when you do, suddenly you lose a major trade partner.

In the eternal struggle of ethics and balanced trade, most of the world chooses trade.

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sLaCkEr408___RJ
02/12/22 8:27:32 PM
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IndorilGawain
02/12/22 8:28:30 PM
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BlackOmnimon posted...
Who?
Lmao you're still pretending LNSS and pentrox aren't you eh

BlackOmnimon posted...
And I don't know, it's weird just as OP said. Maybe it will remain a mystery forever.
Uh huh. Explain what your opinion of the Uyghur situation is. Remind us why you always get suspended for sharing it

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COVxy
02/12/22 8:34:27 PM
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Rayman2943 posted...
Hey covxy remember what you said about the AP building in Gaza or your comments here

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/400-current-events/79893469

Only guy in the entire topic supporting musk

This is a pretty stupid lie. I'm well known for being very critical of Musk lmao.

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Zjusjia-h_da-4
02/12/22 8:40:23 PM
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Considering the bullshit mainstream media, not really.

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Rayman2943
02/12/22 8:41:42 PM
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COVxy posted...
This is a pretty stupid lie. I'm well known for being very critical of Musk lmao.
But when it came to experimenting on monkeys you weren't

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MrMallard
02/12/22 8:43:00 PM
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It was a hot button issue for about a month these past couple years, to the point that here in Australia we had a representative of the CCP debating with a pro-democracy CCP critic about the treatment of Uyghurs in China on a political talkshow called Q&A.

I agree that it's fucking horrific what's happening to the Uyghur people, and I don't like that it's rotated out of the news cycle as strongly as it has because it's still happening. And yeah, organ harvesting and shit has been a concern of human rights advocacy groups for years now. It's abhorrent how Disney filmed their Mulan movie within spitting distance of a re-education camp when we already had human rights advocacy groups raising red flags about sterilization, unlawful detention and organ harvesting happening not only in China, but in the specific region that Disney filmed Mulan.

With that being said, what the Palestinian people are facing is also incredibly fucking horrific - with Israeli expansion into Palestine, the Palestinian people are facing ethnic cleansing. We're talking families being evicted from their homes by IDF soldiers without being allowed to pack anything, and then having their houses levelled into rubble before their eyes with all of their belongings except the clothes on their back. I'd like to emphasize that while I wholly agree that the Uyghur genocide should be remembered and spoken about more, I find it distasteful to level the hardships and oppression of one group of people against another - rather than "the unlawful detainment and re-educatuon of Uyghurs is more pressing than the continued occupation of Palestine and its assimilation into Israel", both atrocities should be spoken about and openly opposed.

It's like when Shab deflects from China's atrocities by going "America commits human rights violations too", as if you can't openly oppose more than one atrocity at a time and you're so implicit in the failure of your own government that you have no right to speak about the atrocities of others.

That's not to say that TC is saying one is more important than the other, moreso to emphasize that rather than split hairs, it's important to consider the misery and evil of both scenarios as a violation of the sanctity of freedom and human rights that they are. What's happening to the Uyghur population is horrifying and revolting, and it has fallen by the wayside - it should be spoken about more openly and ferverently than it's being spoken about. What's happening to the Palestinian people is illegal, wholly unnecessary, selfish and infuriating, and we should absolutely maintain a spotlight on what's happening between Israel and Palestine.

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COVxy
02/12/22 8:48:56 PM
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Rayman2943 posted...
But when it came to experimenting on monkeys you weren't

When it comes to animal rights activists trying to control the narrative on non-human primate research? Damn right I have an opinion on that. As do the majority of scientists.

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Rayman2943
02/12/22 8:50:49 PM
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COVxy posted...
When it comes to animal rights activists trying to control the narrative on non-human primate research? Damn right I have an opinion on that. As do the majority of scientists.
You do realize rebel is a vegan right? This makes your stance just as disagreeable as anything I say lmao.

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COVxy
02/12/22 8:52:15 PM
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Rayman2943 posted...
You do realize rebel is a vegan right? This makes your stance just as disagreeable as anything I say lmao.

Rebel and I don't need to agree on everything. But we have honest conversations with eachother while you just shit yourself and roll all over this forum.

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Rayman2943
02/12/22 9:14:19 PM
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COVxy posted...
Rebel and I don't need to agree on everything. But we have honest conversations with eachother while you just shit yourself and roll all over this forum.
Hey cov remember when you got doubled suspended and doubled down on your moderation and everyone on this board called you a troll? Is it napoleon syndrome?

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IndorilGawain
02/12/22 9:36:33 PM
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Rayman2943 posted...
You do realize rebel is a vegan right? This makes your stance just as disagreeable as anything I say lmao.
What is this post lol

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FL81
02/12/22 9:45:56 PM
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Rayman2943 posted...
Rebel is a right winger lol
this post

the absolute state of CE these days

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Rayman2943
02/12/22 9:56:35 PM
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FL81 posted...
this post

the absolute state of CE these days
He used to be left wing but then he realized he likes low taxes more.

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IndorilGawain
02/12/22 10:01:08 PM
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Rayman2943 posted...
He used to be left wing but then he realized he likes low taxes more.
Im vocally in favor of higher taxes. This is a really weird fixation

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Rayman2943
02/12/22 10:03:00 PM
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IndorilGawain posted...
Im vocally in favor of higher taxes. This is a really weird fixation
Well then why do you repeat 2000s Republicans debating tactics?

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