Board 8 > Final Fantasy 14 Mafia - Day 4: Past the Far Edge of Fate

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I just got the perfect picture of my cat
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/0/5/0/AAe-HzAAC6DC.jpg

That cat looks like Mafia to me.

MikeTavish posted...

That cat looks like Mafia to me.

well, it can't, because it is not in the game, and because it is headless

Raiding now. Tidus hasn't given any good reason to get off him so I'm staying on him. I'll peek in between pulls but don't expect much of note from me now.

What reason is he supposed to give?

But anyway regardless of who we decide to lynch today for the love of anything don't hammer so I can get this useless power out.

Isquen accused me of faking having it and it really just came off as desperate. Let's put this sham of a meta to bed.

I still like lynching Mike today but could get behind an Isquen lynch. Not interested in lynching anyone else right now

I swear if we lose because no one wants to lynch a 3rd party claim i'm gonna scream lol

ATTENTION

XENOBLADE CHRONICLES 3 GOT ANNOUNCED

https://youtu.be/t-iNpDKuYb8

that is all. Thank you for your time.

MZero posted...

I still like lynching Mike today but could get behind an Isquen lynch. Not interested in lynching anyone else right now

I swear if we lose because no one wants to lynch a 3rd party claim i'm gonna scream lol

I'm still alright with a Mike lynch. I get Red's point, but he's still not town, and leashing third party almost always backfires.

MZero posted...

I still like lynching Mike today but could get behind an Isquen lynch. Not interested in lynching anyone else right now

I swear if we lose because no one wants to lynch a 3rd party claim i'm gonna scream lol

If we lose because people decide to lynch TWO town BPs in one game (Especially when I clearly haven't lied about literally anything) I'm gonna scream. If I were faking cop scans, faking BP, faking third party, this whole time my whole web of lies would have come crashing down a long time ago.

Again, there's a reason I think you chose not to scan me to confirm my role, and I think it's because you're scum. Scum obviously wants to get rid of a BP Scanner.

MikeTavish posted...

If we lose because people decide to lynch TWO town BPs in one game (Especially when I clearly haven't lied about literally anything) I'm gonna scream. If I were faking cop scans, faking BP, faking third party, this whole time my whole web of lies would have come crashing down a long time ago.

Again, there's a reason I think you chose not to scan me to confirm my role, and I think it's because you're scum. Scum obviously wants to get rid of a BP Scanner.

Um.

You gladiatored town BP and got it lynched.

Crescent-Moon posted...

Um.

You gladiatored town BP and got it lynched.

And? I explained everything that happened literally the entire time. You guys chose to keep me around over Ulti. Imagine deciding to do that and then going and murdering the guy you chose to keep around anyway after he's already scanned confirmed town once and gotten another scan off since.

Just seems completely non-sensical.

All I know for certain at this juncture is if you kill me you'll be going into a 3-2 day and I really don't like our odds if that happens.

MikeTavish posted...

All I know for certain at this juncture is if you kill me you'll be going into a 3-2 day and I really don't like our odds if that happens.

For all we know, you're faking a scan on Isquen to try to keep him alive today because you think he's scum.

He has three posts in the past 31 hours.

Crescent-Moon posted...

For all we know, you're faking a scan on Isquen to try to keep him alive today because you think he's scum.

He has three posts in the past 31 hours.

I mean, that's just WIFOM. But if I haven't lied about literally anything else I've said this game, why would I start now? That'd be some next level manipulation and while I appreciate that you think so highly of my mafia play, occam's razor tells us the most logical conclusion is almost always correct. Logically, I'm just trying to help us win. Let's keep in mind that I was one of the first people on Scare yesterday too and I never once tried to change that lynch.

You were the third person on Scare.

Isquen was second, actually.

Crescent-Moon posted...

You were the third person on Scare.

Isquen was second, actually.

Was I? I thought I was second. I'll have to go check again when I'm not actively raiding.

I just looked at the votals.

MZero
Isquen
Scare

Scare was at 3 votes before the end of page 1.

You and Isquen both got off, and quickly got back on, but you got back on before him.

MZero was the only one in the initial rush not to unvote.

Wait I'm wrong. Isquen only got off late to get Scare off of -1. You're the only one who unvoted him because of his claim.

To sum it up after actually bothering to read it.

You unvoted Scare immediately, BP meta came up, and you quickly put the vote back on.

Isquen unvoted Scare, claimed something awful, then revoted Scare.

I guess I misremembered. My bad. I dunno what more I can say to defend myself though. It comes down to who you want with you tomorrow. Likely scum Tidus who posts 5 times a day and says and does very little, or town friendly me who has driven activity alongside you since day 1.

If you are indeed town which has been my read since day 1, the choice seems quite obvious.

MikeTavish posted...

I guess I misremembered. My bad. I dunno what more I can say to defend myself though. It comes down to who you want with you tomorrow. Likely scum Tidus who posts 5 times a day and says and does very little, or town friendly me who has driven activity alongside you since day 1.

If you are indeed town which has been my read since day 1, the choice seems quite obvious.

Tidus has something around 20 posts in the last 4 pages.

If you made a chart of activity in this game, you and I would be right at the top and Tidus would be near the bottom and you know it. Pointing out my hyperbole doesn't change that.

I haven't posted in hours because I'm at work until a half hour after day's end and have nothing to contribute because apparently I self incriminate when I open my mouth.

But if you're going to post my vote totals, need I remind you the only bad vote I did was mislynching Ulti, and it sucks either way.

Isquen posted...

I haven't posted in hours because I'm at work until a half hour after day's end and have nothing to contribute because apparently I self incriminate when I open my mouth.

But if you're going to post my vote totals, need I remind you the only bad vote I did was mislynching Ulti, and it sucks either way.

Mike referenced Scare's lynch so I brought it up. That's really all.

MikeTavish posted...

If you made a chart of activity in this game, you and I would be right at the top and Tidus would be near the bottom and you know it. Pointing out my hyperbole doesn't change that.

Oh absolutely. The 4 least active people have easily been Scare, Chris, Tidus, and Isquen.

Also Isquen, why did you accuse me of claiming a confirmable power I don't have?

What exactly would be my endgame? Hope town is dumb enough to just let me go unproven all game

I have no idea what happened to the third question mark.

I swear it was there when I hit post.

To be fair, I could easily see that as town just quickly stating a thought without thinking about it. The real question is whether your power is town or scum. I admit, I am curious.

Crescent-Moon posted...

Also Isquen, why did you accuse me of claiming a confirmable power I don't have?

What exactly would be my endgame? Hope town is dumb enough to just let me go unproven all game

Yes, honestly, and I'm kind of tempted to force a deadlock vote even if it'll likely end in my own death.

MikeTavish posted...

To be fair, I could easily see that as town just quickly stating a thought without thinking about it. The real question is whether your power is town or scum. I admit, I am curious.

It's not like my power actually confirms me town. I'm never so fortunate to get a confirmable town power that actually confirms me town.

Every time I get a confirmable town power role, I eventually get tin foil hatted and mislynched lategame while I start having a breakdown. My experience with roles like this are why I refuse to play with Corrik anymore.

My last confirmable town power was a vanilla town that required 1 extra vote to mislynch, and that for sure I thought would actually be good enough to confirm me town. Nope, was still the mislynch that guaranteed town lost.

My role here isn't even good enough to be worth metaing. For at least that solace I'm glad.

A tied vote is fine. It just confirms I can prevent a sudden-death tiebreaker for 30 minutes. I don't see if that really adds anything, but whatever.

I'm essentially the anti-b8 special, which meant I was only ever likely to be useful on days 1 or 2.

I guess I should get this down in case I do indeed get murdered by my friends in 40 minutes.

Watch Mzero. I could easily see him being scum, he didn't state Red's flavour until Red brought it up himself, same with Scare yesterday, he's played it coy and in a way where he could easily be bs'ing his power. If he claims to catch someone with a flavour scan that doesn't match their claimed flavour, it could easily be him trying to finish the game up since it will be 3-2 so be steadfast. I'm still not convinced about town having all this scanning power.

I'm assuming Tidus is his teammate but it could be Isquen with the Godfather role or Red and Mzero scanned him to make them both look good but I see that as a less likely scenario. Alternatively it could just be a simple Red/Tidus team. If nothing related to tempering comes out by tomorrow's day, Red might need to be the lynch.

Honestly, I'm really not sure on this game and I'm really hoping the powers that go off tonight clear things up a little more.

At any rate, please lynch Tidus because I like winning and I'm sure the rest of the town does too. If I get mislynched I see scum sitting on a very inactive game and allowing town to eat itself from the inside tomorrow.

MikeTavish posted...

Watch Mzero. I could easily see him being scum, he didn't state Red's flavour until Red brought it up himself,

This is my one hesitation with MZero. Why didn't he STC with Red?

The Scare part is irrelevant because Scare was scum anyway. When MZero claimed isn't relevant to that.

Oh yeah, I was playing crusader kings and forgot about this

I am in favor of testing Crescent

MikeTavish posted...

You guys chose to keep me around over Ulti

I didn't!

MZero posted...

I didn't!

When it comes down to it, I don't think I would have, but I seriously didn't expect Ulti to suddenly die while I was resting.

Can someone possibly give me an argument how isquen is town. Its basically just Mike scanned him that way right?

Yeah if you read back I scanned him because I thought his play was decidedly anti-town. He scanned clean though which was surprising and a big reason why Godfather has been being brought up as a possibility.

The main reason I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt on this scan is Scare is also kind of a Godfather assuming he targets town every night with his power.

Wouldn't we assume if he is ninja he would scan clean

Also he claimed ninja

ninja

as town

in a game where we have seen multiple town tracking roles

and no scum tracking roles

Less activity doesn't necessarily translate to scum, I don't see how it could possibly be that way at all

Crescent-Moon posted...

This is my one hesitation with MZero. Why didn't he STC with Red?

Wasn't going to claim today if I didn't have to

masterplum posted...

Wouldn't we assume if he is ninja he would scan clean

Explain? I'm not aware of what Ninjas usually do.

TidusOfTheX posted...

Less activity doesn't necessarily translate to scum, I don't see how it could possibly be that way at all

Usually the more inactive people this late in the game do need to be looked at more closely.

TidusOfTheX posted...

Less activity doesn't necessarily translate to scum, I don't see how it could possibly be that way at all

It's usually a good measure of town vs scum. Scum is scared of saying something wrong and getting caught slipping so they tend to post very little when compared to town members who want people talking as much as possible for the same reason, to catch scum slipping.

MikeTavish posted...

Explain? I'm not aware of what Ninjas usually do.

Ninjas don't get seen by tracking roles

Also he claims to be a ninja that doesn't move

A NINJA THAT DOESN'T MOVE

MikeTavish posted...

Explain? I'm not aware of what Ninjas usually do.

Isquen changed his claim to Ninja... That doesn't act.

Ninja is a scum role that avoids tracker and watcher. The closest thing we seem to have to this is a motion detector.

He changed his claim from a near-mirror of Chris to something that is only for Scare to use after he dies, but there doesn't seem to be any actually functional use for it, since the roles it'd be meant to counter don't seem to exist.

Oh i see why, well, I was lower activity because I simply did not have much to say

masterplum posted...

Ninjas don't get seen by tracking roles

Also he claims to be a ninja that doesn't move

A NINJA THAT DOESN'T MOVE

Ok Plum put this better.

MikeTavish posted...

I guess I should get this down in case I do indeed get murdered by my friends in 40 minutes.

Watch Mzero. I could easily see him being scum, he didn't state Red's flavour until Red brought it up himself, same with Scare yesterday, he's played it coy and in a way where he could easily be bs'ing his power. If he claims to catch someone with a flavour scan that doesn't match their claimed flavour, it could easily be him trying to finish the game up since it will be 3-2 so be steadfast. I'm still not convinced about town having all this scanning power.

I'm assuming Tidus is his teammate but it could be Isquen with the Godfather role or Red and Mzero scanned him to make them both look good but I see that as a less likely scenario. Alternatively it could just be a simple Red/Tidus team. If nothing related to tempering comes out by tomorrow's day, Red might need to be the lynch.

Honestly, I'm really not sure on this game and I'm really hoping the powers that go off tonight clear things up a little more.

At any rate, please lynch Tidus because I like winning and I'm sure the rest of the town does too. If I get mislynched I see scum sitting on a very inactive game and allowing town to eat itself from the inside tomorrow.

How does a red/Tidus scum team work? In that case, you're saying I'm town which means Red scans as Mother Porxie

Legitimately asking as someone who doesn't know the flavor