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Llaeto7
02/07/22 1:36:20 PM
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There's so much you can do to help your community. Online liberals who would rather argue online and keep up with the latest tiktok dance than actually give some of their time to others strike me as rebellious teens with low empathy than people who actually care.

An I wrong?
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Veggeta_MAX
02/07/22 1:40:47 PM
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Action speaks louder than words for sure however, words still have power and it is still better to verbally call for what's right even if you can't put action into words.

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ellis123
02/07/22 1:41:06 PM
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Llaeto7 posted...
An I wrong?
Yes. You have confused "leftist" and "liberal." Liberals want regulated capitalism, leftists don't want capitalism at all.

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Garioshi
02/07/22 1:41:17 PM
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This is bait

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Questionmarktarius
02/07/22 1:43:14 PM
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Meanwhile, some old guy:
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SSJPurple
02/07/22 1:45:40 PM
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This might come as a surprise but many Leftists are working class people with jobs/families its not like they can just wake up and donate thousands of dollars and not feel it lol


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Crescente
02/07/22 1:46:01 PM
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Sometimes it does feel like people here are trying to fight for change on CE lol. I find it kind of funny trying to imagining a world that is listening in on CE and influenced by us :P.
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josifrees
02/07/22 1:46:30 PM
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Leftists who give back are just making things worse by bailing out their government

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Machete
02/07/22 1:47:10 PM
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Yes you an

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darkprince45
02/07/22 1:47:31 PM
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Their interpretation of fighting back is posting on CE and shaming the rest of us who slightly disagree with anything they believe

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trappedunderice
02/07/22 1:55:36 PM
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darkprince45 posted...
Their interpretation of fighting back is posting on CE and shaming the rest of us who slightly disagree with anything they believe
You can say that about the right too, nobody can come to a compromise it's madness.
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Antifar
02/07/22 2:03:33 PM
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I'm giving this topic more time than it deserves, but I'm procrastinating on the work I actually have to do, so:

Something that's important is that those on the left are not calling for "our existing society, but with more people giving to charity or doing volunteer work." All that stuff is fine, but it is a very poor substitute for the things that can only be achieved collectively or through the state's resources and power. Giving to the homeless is good! But it isn't going to keep rent prices in line with incomes. Not eating meat, or traveling by public transit are good ways to reduce one's carbon footprint, but it won't do much to address all of the infrustructure we've built that makes driving a car a de facto necessity for most Americans.

Addressing the roots of the problems we face requires state power, and that isn't doled out on the basis of how much charity work you've done, but ostensibly via democratic means. If you can't raise public attention to an issue, you stand little chance of getting much done about it.

Now, I say that having been an active member in a socialist organization for the past five years. We've done good work: raising money for abortion funds, doing bike repairs to reduce teens' interactions with cops, etc. But those are patchwork and temporary fixes for problems that don't need to exist.

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Giant_Aspirin
02/07/22 2:31:45 PM
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why is this directed at "leftists" and not "everyone"?

edit: oh, i get it, because leftists act like they care about other people. right-wingers don't even pretend while openly bragging about their selfishness which they consider a virtue.

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ColdOne666
02/07/22 3:03:31 PM
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darkprince45 posted...
Their interpretation of fighting back is posting on CE and shaming the rest of us who slightly disagree with anything they believe


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Funkydog
02/07/22 3:04:20 PM
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ok

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Llaeto7
02/07/22 4:31:21 PM
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Giant_Aspirin posted...
why is this directed at "leftists" and not "everyone"?

edit: oh, i get it, because leftists act like they care about other people. right-wingers don't even pretend while openly bragging about their selfishness which they consider a virtue.

Well, yes.
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MedeaLysistrata
02/07/22 4:33:57 PM
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Eh, I tried to get involved but I'm spiritually conservative so it's not easy. Having to be social in liberal environments isn't easy for me.

I did volunteer once during the pandemic, and would do it more if the place wasn't 2 hours away.

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ultimate reaver
02/07/22 4:37:29 PM
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spiritually conservative

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Southernfatman
02/07/22 4:40:37 PM
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Giant_Aspirin posted...
why is this directed at "leftists" and not "everyone"?

edit: oh, i get it, because leftists act like they care about other people. right-wingers don't even pretend while openly bragging about their selfishness which they consider a virtue.

It's that. Well, the right loves to say their Christians, but love doing things Christ wouldn't like and love voting for the most un-Christ like people.

"We need the country to be more Christian. Also, fuck people in need. Not my problem."

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Will_VIIII
02/07/22 4:43:49 PM
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Llaeto7 posted...
There's so much you can do to help your community. Online liberals who would rather argue online and keep up with the latest tiktok dance than actually give some of their time to others strike me as rebellious teens with low empathy than people who actually care.

An I wrong?
Very wrong, yeah

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Hairsniffer261
02/07/22 4:46:29 PM
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I've met a lot of great people from both sides who like to help everyone they can.

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MedeaLysistrata
02/07/22 4:48:46 PM
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ultimate reaver posted...
spiritually conservative
I just made that up because it sounds accurate

I imagine people have their beliefs, and then below that there is an unconscious political identity

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DrizztLink
02/07/22 4:51:05 PM
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I have a Bachelor's in Social Work, getting a Master's and an MBA, and currently I'm working with a nonprofit in Albuquerque to influence policymakers for improved access to mental health resources.

The nonprofit has other goals, that's just the one I'm working.

So now that I've established credentials am I allowed to continue as I am, or do I need to pass some dumbass arbitrary test?

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CyricZ
02/07/22 4:53:05 PM
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And people say the left have purity tests

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MedeaLysistrata
02/07/22 4:54:50 PM
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DrizztLink posted...
I have a Bachelor's in Social Work, getting a Master's and an MBA, and currently I'm working with a nonprofit in Albuquerque to influence policymakers for improved access to mental health resources.

The nonprofit has other goals, that's just the one I'm working.

So now that I've established credentials am I allowed to continue as I am, or do I need to pass some dumbass arbitrary test?
You make all of that look incredibly easy to do lol

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DrizztLink
02/07/22 4:55:45 PM
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MedeaLysistrata posted...
You make all of that look incredibly easy to do lol
I'm massively privileged and didn't put it out as anyone's path but my own.

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MedeaLysistrata
02/07/22 4:57:18 PM
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DrizztLink posted...
I'm massively privileged and didn't put it out as anyone's path but my own.
Nah, you could just be smart and did well in your bachelor program

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Smackems
02/07/22 4:58:22 PM
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People here bitch about the dumbest shit, tc included

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CruelBuffalo
02/07/22 5:00:05 PM
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I havent seen any leftist here talk about Tik tok dances. Who is this directed at lol
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Llaeto7
02/07/22 5:06:58 PM
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Smackems posted...
People here bitch about the dumbest shit, tc included

Liberals, Joe Rogan, what this or that conservative said that's slightly controversial

It's fucking dumb. There are real things to bitch about, but people pick their stupid tribe and just parrot whatever their tribe says, ignoring things that matter for things that don't

What's my tribe??
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Will_VIIII
02/07/22 5:07:23 PM
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CruelBuffalo posted...
I havent seen any leftist here talk about Tik tok dances. Who is this directed at lol
Some straw man they made up but probably believe for real now.

Happens with a lot of MAGAs

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Llaeto7
02/07/22 5:12:41 PM
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Will_VIIII posted...
Some straw man they made up but probably believe for real now.

Happens with a lot of MAGAs

Wait I'm a MAGA now?
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Will_VIIII
02/07/22 5:13:47 PM
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Llaeto7 posted...
Wait I'm a MAGA now?
Well yeah given the nonsense you spouted in the op regarding liberals it's pretty obvious you are.

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divot1338
02/07/22 5:17:10 PM
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https://youtu.be/YamgKdCn0lo&t=150

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Llaeto7
02/07/22 5:20:12 PM
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Will_VIIII posted...
Well yeah given the nonsense you spouted in the op regarding liberals it's pretty obvious you are.

I think most of the US' political spectrum is a far right cesspool tbh, but sure
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AloneIBreak
02/07/22 5:51:36 PM
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I will refrain from commenting on this being a left wing thing because pointing out commonalities between the rival factions is usually dismissed on CE as bOtH sIdEs.

So with regard to the noisy progressives, it does seem like the loudest online are usually contributing nothing of value to the real world (so far as improving society is concerned at least; Im sure theyre good friends and good parents). At least the ones I know personally. They have no idea how change works, so they fancy themselves activists for arguing online and not shopping at conservative business. This is not activism, of course, but they do it because it feels good and it requires no sacrifice. The same could be said of the tip jar warriors. Theyll chide others for not tipping enough, but they wont put forth the effort required to make meaningful change, like requiring employers to pay a full salary. Why? Because its easier to throw extra money at a problem than it is to organize in the real world, which requires time and effort that most people would rather spend on personal enjoyment. Anything than an occasional trip to the ballot box is too much work. I dont blame them though. Its very easy to feel insignificant and helpless. Many people want to do something to help, but they dont know what to do.

But thats not the whole story and maybe shouldnt be your focus. For all the sententious ones online, there are plenty out there working together to achieve a common goal.

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RustyFerret
02/07/22 6:05:04 PM
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Llaeto7 posted...
An I wrong?
No, not really, especially on a video game forum.
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Llaeto7
02/07/22 7:13:17 PM
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AloneIBreak posted...
I will refrain from commenting on this being a left wing thing because pointing out commonalities between the rival factions is usually dismissed on CE as bOtH sIdEs.

So with regard to the noisy progressives, it does seem like the loudest online are usually contributing nothing of value to the real world (so far as improving society is concerned at least; Im sure theyre good friends and good parents). At least the ones I know personally. They have no idea how change works, so they fancy themselves activists for arguing online and not shopping at conservative business. This is not activism, of course, but they do it because it feels good and it requires no sacrifice. The same could be said of the tip jar warriors. Theyll chide others for not tipping enough, but they wont put forth the effort required to make meaningful change, like requiring employers to pay a full salary. Why? Because its easier to throw extra money at a problem than it is to organize in the real world, which requires time and effort that most people would rather spend on personal enjoyment. Anything than an occasional trip to the ballot box is too much work. I dont blame them though. Its very easy to feel insignificant and helpless. Many people want to do something to help, but they dont know what to do.

But thats not the whole story and maybe shouldnt be your focus. For all the sententious ones online, there are plenty out there working together to achieve a common goal.

This is actually a great post.

And yes, I do tend to be provocative and generalize to get responses at first, sue me. I personally despise the not-so-small group of people I'm referring to ITT because it gives real progressive people who want to improve the world a bad rep. I see some people here who got really upset at the notion of actually having to show you care.
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hockeybub89
02/07/22 7:15:44 PM
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darkprince45 posted...
Their interpretation of fighting back is posting on CE and shaming the rest of us who slightly disagree with anything they believe
Maybe people should stop supporting murder and terrorism then

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Llaeto7
02/07/22 7:17:12 PM
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hockeybub89 posted...
Maybe people should stop supporting murder and terrorism then

Is this something specific darkprince45 said or are you just proving his point?
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PatrickMahomes
02/07/22 7:22:59 PM
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Antifar posted...
doing bike repairs to reduce teens' interactions with cops
This is coming from a place of ignorance so forgive me, but what's the correlation here? Are teens less likely to be stopped while biking than while on foot? I'm just trying to fill the gap.

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Lost_All_Senses
02/07/22 7:32:01 PM
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I hate when I wanna ask a stranger if they need help but the I get too socially anxious to actually follow through >_>. I gotta get over that through exposure therapy. Just clear my mind and walk up and ask.

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Guide
02/07/22 7:34:47 PM
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I like how you have to specify this about liberals, tc. It means you know conservatives don't even pretend to give a fuck.

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Llaeto7
02/07/22 7:36:15 PM
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Guide posted...
I like how you have to specify this about liberals, tc. It means you know conservatives don't even pretend to give a fuck.

Please read post 19.
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Guide
02/07/22 7:37:54 PM
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Llaeto7 posted...
Please read post 19.
I see I was right.

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Tenlaar
02/07/22 7:38:00 PM
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I spent four months volunteering last year and now have a job with the non-profit where I make a real difference in peoples lives.
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Hoodroar
02/07/22 7:41:22 PM
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The government has more capacity to help people than some random liberal who may be swamped with work, disabled, or whatever else that prevents them from doing charitable things. Sometimes just keeping yourself afloat is difficult.

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