Poll of the Day > US Gov't wants Nintendo Modder to serve 5 Years...

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Arcturusisnow posted...

If the judge really believed that every single person that buys a modded product intends to use it nefarious purposes then he needs to be removed from the bench because he is delusional at best and really just unfit to perform his duties.

Literally everybody who bought these Switches did so for piracy.

adjl posted...

They do, but "$1000" is 100% a number you just made up because you liked the sound of it and felt it helped make your point, not one that has any basis in real data. They absolutely do exaggerate lost revenue, but you understated it, which is no better.

Can you actually prove that I understated it?

Revelation34 posted...

Literally everybody who bought these Switches did so for piracy.

Can you actually prove that I understated it?

But can you prove that the seller knew that before selling them? It isn't his responsibility to check the social media accts of his customers to see what they MAY or MAY NOT do with their purchases.

Arcturusisnow posted...

But can you prove that the seller knew that before selling them? It isn't his responsibility to check the social media accts of his customers to see what they MAY or MAY NOT do with their purchases.

Yes since that's what they were modded for.

https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/nintendo-thanks-feds-sending-hacker-234000993.html

Got 3

pionear posted...

https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/nintendo-thanks-feds-sending-hacker-234000993.html

Got 3

"This is according to a victory lap-style press release published by Nintendo this afternoon that dedicates much of its word count to praising American law enforcement."

So Nintendo hates black people?

American law enforcement doing what it was created to do by protecting massive corporations from petty thieves

Arcturusisnow posted...

Yes I do believe that sold these without any expectation of them being used for piracy because MODDING FOR HOMEBREW PURPOSES f***ING EXISTS! Christ how can you be so dense here and actually intelligent when it comes to the Flu Trux Klan.

Homebrew exists, but so does piracy. Presumably, he did not expect every one of the consoles sold to be used for piracy, because homebrew exists, but he'd have to be idiotically naive to believe that none of them were. A judge would have to be similarly naive to believe any such claims from him.

Arcturusisnow posted...

This You?
adjl posted... To say that "1 pirated copy=0 lost sales," you are making the claim that absolutely nobody that has ever pirated a game would have paid for it if the option were available. The reverse is not true (which is the claim you're actually trying to make), but neither is that claim. Quite obviously so. The reality is considerably more nuanced and complicated than that.

... Are you aware that there are numbers between 0 and 1? I am saying that neither "1 pirated copy=1 lost sale" nor "1 pirated copy=0 lost sales" are true. Of course not every pirated copy is a lost sale. Some, however, are, as much as people like to claim they wouldn't have bought the game if they couldn't pirate it. That's the simple reality of the matter.

Revelation34 posted...

Can you actually prove that I understated it?

On the scale we're talking, saying it was only $1000 lost is basically the same as saying that no sales were lost, and that's very obviously not true. $1000 would be 17 $60 game sales, which could easily be lost by a single customer deciding that they'd rather pirate than pay for their games.

The exact figure will probably never be determined, since it's a very complex, nuanced question that nobody's really interested in researching (not that you even really can research it, since you'd be relying exclusively on self-reports and people tend to lie about this, even if they don't realize they are), but I'm very comfortable saying that the real figure is quite a bit higher than $1000 even without having more concrete figures. Similarly, I'm very comfortable saying that it's lower than $65 million.